We get it. You don’t like liberal Dems.
Make your own party. Go. Do something.
do anything please
How’d “not voting to punish the dems” work last time?
voting only works if you also put in the work after the fact. When biden got elected, suddenly all the political fervor of the previous ~4 years vanished. And, assuming we get out of the current morass in one piece, it’s likely that all the uproar going on now will similarly disappear once “our guy” is in the oval office again.
Voting is the least any person can do, but without pounding the pavement and going out and doing the legwork, it’s just a bone they throw to us so we shut up. It happens every time, in every presidential election I can remember, and yet there are still people out here saying “but dae vote or dont complain!!:!:!:!:!”!“!”!?!!:!L!". It’s insulting.
There are few, if any, actually effective political movements that relied solely on officially approved political avenues to achieve anything. The Civil Rights movement in the US didn’t merely vote until the federal government deigned them worthy of being treated like human beings; they got out in the streets and demanded equality. The Indian Independence movement didn’t succeed by only appealing to the official colonial political apparatus using whatever methods were allowed them. They went and earned it.
So, whenever the liberal voting bloc is ready to stop letting themselves be politically infantilized by the electoral process, get at me.
It’s really weird to blame individuals for the failures of an organization. They can plan and change and strategize. The random voter your screaming at is a void. Stop being angry at the void, be angry at the thing that can actually change and do something.
So when are you planning on going out to actually prosecute that revolution you’re memeing about? Because I’m seeing a lot of memes and not a lot of stringing fascists up by their ankles.
Why ankles when it could be necks?
Morbid jokes aside. I agree, nothing will change without intense and painful protest or revolution. Peaceful protest only works when your opposition has a conscience.
“Me” is also one of the “grey NPCs” sooo
“Resistance theater” is a great term.
It’s also a term describing the protest non-voters.
“I’m not owned, you’re owned!” as the poster turned into a corn cob
I’ve got a solution, get rid of Facebook and Fox News in your Maga people’s lives. Put parental controls on their TVs if you can and try to convince them that Fox News was bought out or something. It’s the constant deluge of bullshit that’s causing this.
MAX FISHER: The places where Facebook usage - not general internet usage, but specifically Facebook usage - was significantly above the average for Germany, the number of attacks on refugees was also well above the average.
SHAPIRO: That’s author Max Fisher, who writes about this research in his new book, “The Chaos Machine.” It’s not just that violence against refugees went up in places where people used Facebook a lot. The researchers also looked at outages - Facebook disruptions - and they found that when the platform went offline in a specific place, attacks against refugees in that community dropped.
FISHER: Extended time on social media is addictive, and it changes your behavior, and it changes the way that your mind works. And it does that in a consistent direction towards more outrage, more extreme ideas and a greater hatred of us versus them.
You could wipe every reactionary television station, radio station, magazine, social media, and newspaper off the face of the earth, but capitalism’s internal contradictions would make their resurgence inevitable.
So long as wages are suppressed, social safety nets withered, wealth inequality balloons, education decays, retirement age grows, and healthcare becomes unattainable, the backside into fascism is inevitable.
How do you think fascism took hold in Germany, and how was it mitigated?
Your analysis falls into the same trap as other liberal analysis - that our means of changing our politics is a function of “changing people’s minds” in “the marketplace of ideas”. Liberal analysis champions the notion that “ideas” are what turn the wheels of history. In reality, it was Soviet T34s blasting Nazis into mist that mitigated German fascism - not some completely unachievable and unpragmatic scheme to break into retirement homes across the country and put parental controls on grandpa’s favorite flavor of right wing pundit TV.
Just remember to always vote for the least worst, because there is no good, so that’s the best you can do. And fascists are always the worst, by a mile.
Me in my 20s: “NO EFF YOU! NO COMPROMISE!”
Me, tired, in my 30s: “1 vote for Kodos, please”
80% of Democrat voters: “yeah I know they’re owned by corporate interests and won’t actually make good on any of their promises, but if I don’t vote for them the Republicans will get in”
80% of Republican voters: “yeah I know the GOP is mostly about making themselves rich, but I hate Democrats more than I like the Republican Party”
Votescolds: don’t you dare think of trying to upset this perfect beautiful balance that will play out every election for the next thousand years. In fact if you even suggest it you’re probably a Russian psyop
Even your descriptions of how samey the voters are reveals a huge difference though. The nature of each “side” came through in your choice of words.
The first paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that openly wants to harm people all around you.
The second paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that you happen to hate.
The discussion almost feels moot at this point though, because SO much of the american populace has jumped at the chance to support the greater evil over and over.
So I guess the stance I’m taking is kind of a “¿Por Qué No Los Dos?”
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The system is horribly broken from down in the details of the voting system all the way to the hyper-capitalist type-A rat race culture that is incompatible with sustained human happiness. It needs to be replaced to “fix” things.
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As long as we have our same busted culture and constitution in place, then if there continue to be regular elections that seem consistent with past ones, and no shady motherfuckers are trying to link identities to ballots, then I am probably still going to go out and vote for the lesser evil.
Granted, we might already be past the point of no return where that vote won’t count or the election won’t happen. That’s why it’s a conditional statement.
Capitalism and greed are not what make us our best selves. But you had better believe I voted for “maybe we should at least catch up to Europe with regulating capitalism and protecting the people” instead of “fuck everything and fuck all y’all! Let’s try turning the world superpower into a death cult for a generation or two!”
The Harris administration is not where I REALLY want my country to be right now. Not if you’re going to give me the magic to actually fix things. But given the fork in the road between whatever Harris was bringing us and (gestures in all directions), I don’t see myself changing my mind.
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Except there are chunks of Democrats whonare not corporate stooges who might eventually make things better.
Literally all of the Republicans are MAGA Nazis.
That’s just false though since Biden did do a lot of shit that he promised he would.
They both suck, but it’s not even close to the same.
Why lie?
fits the narrative that all politicians are bad and that no one should vote, even if it’s the most powerful force of change that ordinary people have at their disposal
Leftists: Don’t worry it’s late stage capitalism so inevitably it will all fall apart without us needing to do anything. If we voted for Kamala, nothing would be different anyway, so it’s a good thing we’re doing nothing.
Leftism is all about making people feel good about doing nothing. And that’s the point. Online socialism is monetized (like everything else online) so they need to convince you to feel good about buying from the merch stores of online “socialist influencers”.
It’s a similar grift to the incel dating advice scam. If they gave good advice and your life improved you would stop consuming their content. Monetized socialism is always trying to sabotage liberals because if liberals were successful in improving people’s lives, the monetized socialists would lose their income stream. Liberals are a natural ally to socialists, but they are the competition to monetized socialists.
So monetized socialists (Hasan, Vaush, etc) will constantly tell you how bad liberals are, because liberals are competition to them and they only care for that sweet monetization money.
> Leftism is all about making people feel good about doing nothing.
Just wanted to reiterate this for anyone who scrolls past too quickly.
Lepthishm!
As if that’s an ideology. It’s literally a propaganda label lifted straight from FOX l, and you’re unironically using it.
Putting Hasan and Vaush in the same category is wild.
They are literally exactly in the same category: leftist streamers. I realize Hasan is a bit more popular, but they’re identical in terms of what they do.
Vaush is an ideologically vapid grifter who comes up with things like Anarcho-NATOism and defends child porn and pedophilia. The association with leftism is dubious at best.
I’m going to go on a very robust limb, and say you have no idea what you’re talking about.
https://x.com/VaushV/status/1641593407050227712
It is his schtick.
The fact that you are getting so heavily downvoted makes me sad. You are at +3, -6 at writing of this comment. Seems like several leftists’ don’t get it. Common people, get your poop in a group!
Feel good about doing nothing? Have you actually watched a Vash or Hasan stream. Yeah the bad outcome is almost totally guaranteed at this point in time. But we’re still being basically yelled at to go phone, bank or organize.
As for monetization. Welcome to capitalism. You either monetize or you go out of business. Better to monetize and spread propaganda than be too holy to be effective.
You either monetize or you go out of business.
And what business would that be? The business of getting you to buy from their merch store so they can increase their wealth. They are all millionaires and they’ve convinced you that’s all good and fine because they do their shows from sets that look like college dorms. That’s the para-social thing grifters do where they make to feel like they’re your friends which is why you feel the need to stick up for them.
Do you really believe millionaires want a socialist revolution? LOL
The business of organizing and spreading leftist propaganda.
I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution. Remember the bourgeoisie are not happy, even if they are better off than everyone else. They’re alienated from their fellow man. The system keeps them afraid, makes them think their only option is to make more money. This all causes further isolation and fear.
If you’re so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business. They accept donations just like Vaush and Hassan. You’re tainting yourself with capitalism by even posting here.
I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution.
Do you also believe there’s manosphere influencers that legitimately want to help young men get laid by selling them protein supplements?
If you’re so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business.
I’m not a leftist that thinks someone making a living is inherently bad. I think people making millions of dollars by gifting the gullible on the internet is bad. If Hasan and Vaush were giving tours of their houses and showing off their lambos or whatever, I’d respect them more than what they’re currently doing. I still wouldn’t respect that either because that’s trashy, but getting living a life of luxury by scamming people with cult-like ideology is the lowest of the low. This is MAGA megachurch kinda shit.
I think we both agree that in order for it to be a grift it needs to be insincere, right?
From what I’ve seen, I think they’re both sincere.
What I’m hearing from you is that they’re not sincere because… They have money?
So if they had less money, but produce the exact same content they do today, you would cease to call them a grift?
Am I understanding you correctly?
How do you measure their sincerity? Is it the charity drives? Is it the way he insults trans people? Or the way he makes fun of victims of SA? I’m curious.
I think your sources are either lying to you or not digging deeper than out of context clips.
I don’t know Hassan as well, but I would guess they’re on the same page. Vaush has never seriously insulted trans people or seriously made fun of SA victims. Vaush is pro trans. And has seriously looked at public SA accusations on social media. Vaush also gives moral guidance against SA.
As for the sincerity. He has explained his ideology from first principles. And they seem consistent to me. And his actions are in line with his ideology.
Now there’s no way to be sure of course. And you have a right to your own opinion.
You are insane if you don’t think all people can want socialist revolution. This is exactly the edge where you become violent and hostile. Boohooo you are not rich. It’s not about that. It’s about the abundance being kept from those in need to encourage slave like working conditions… of course you can be against that even if you are a millionaire.
If I became violent and hostile, guys like Vaush and Hasan would be the first up against the wall. Not that I would of course, the violent rhetoric is all a part of their cult bullshit. I’d rather they go to prison for the frauds they are. But the list of faudsters is long, we’d have to build a new prison to fit all the Trumps, Rogans, Vaushes, Hasans, etc. that the internet is infested with.
They’re all doing the same thing, but the algorithms got you into an isolated little group that prevents you from seeing it. Add room to the prison for Musk, Zuckerberg, and whoever runs Google too.
Voting harder would have unironically prevented this situation.
NGL memes like this just read like Doomer Cope and Fascist propaganda.
Uh… it’s either or? Doomer cope is what it openly is, while masquerading for faschism therefore being propaganda?
Oh, that’s because that’s exactly what it is
Ooh, anti-democracy propaganda started early this cycle. I guess cons aren’t so sure about this one so they had to start this voting supression psyop this time of the year.
Americans have so thoroughly bought into the notion that democracy means an entrenched two-party system, that they instinctively view any suggestion to the contrary as “anti-democracy”.
Virtually every other functioning democracy in the world manages to maintain legislative houses with anything from 6-20 parties represented in Government, but somehow you’ve created a self-fulfilling prophecy where it’s impossible for you to have because it’s impossible for you to have.
It’s cool in theory. In practice, US is a two-party system, and a regular person can’t do shit about it. So you either vote for least bad party and organise and campaign to improve something, or you vote for most bad party and spend the whole time trying to survive while the most bad party kills most vulnerable people.
It’s a shit system, US is deeply fucked. However, you don’t go about fixing it by not understanding how it worksa regular person can’t do shit about it
Regular people can do everything about it. It just needs for people to stop telling them they can’t.
I’ll vote blue out of harm reduction, not out of hope.
IF there’s another real election, and IF the Neoliberals win, they’ll do NOTHING to reign in the capitalists that fund the fascists because they’re bribed to protect the “free market,” just as the Fascists are.
All them winning in 2028 might do is buy a little time before the Fascists are on the march the following sided. That’s why it’s ignorant when people claim the only reason we’re collapsing is Trump. Reagan set the table for fascism and every president since has furthered that outcome. Whether this happened in 2020,2024, 2028, this was happening.
So vote for the Neoliberals all you want. I do it out of the starfish parable, to one delayed fascist action, it matters, but we’re still in a capitalist fascist hell, and until we have something to vote or riot for that will bring the capital markets to cinder, nothing can improve. You should feel like throwing up after voting here.
When you vote neoliberal democratic party, nothing fundamentally changes, and shit system isn’t fixed. When you don’t, armed vans are roaming around the cities putting non-white people in concentration camps somewhere abroad.
You can boast your moral superiority all you want, but those are the choices, and every person with a sliver of morality should spend all their waking second to prevent one of those choices to happen again, more.
The “everyone is the same, voting is pointless, if you vote you are a sheep that doesn’t see the moral truth” posts are doing the opposite of that, and when the opposite is encluraged, you get the worse choice, the one that hates you and actively working on killing you.There’s also not-insignificant evidence coming to light suggesting out voting is already compromised. Several counties have ridiculously anomalous voting patterns based on their investigation. Congress is already borked, and the Senate never seems to make a good decision, and the supreme Court is bought and paid for. I’m going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless, and also maybe is that vote. I highly doubt the people are going to be allowed to continue their voting fraud investigation, or make anything happen to those responsible even if the evidence becomes insurmountable.
I’m personally afraid that there’s no coming back. Trump (take 2) is the result of a broken system, not the cause. But I’ll continue doing my part in hopes that I’m wrong. I can’t afford to expatriate.
You heard it here first folks: this guy says don’t vote its not worth it it doesnt matter anyway they dont count it they’ll cheat anyway
I feel like I remember saying the exact opposite actually… Hold on, let me check.
I’m going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless,
But I’ll continue doing my part in hopes that I’m wrong.
Yep turns out I did. Yes, I absolutely have concerns that it won’t make a difference, but I’m not delusional enough to think doing absolutely nothing is a viable option. I think there’s a chance we can recover, but I’m also afraid we might not.
I want the two party system to die, but right now our only option is to try and vote in true progressives until they remove the parts of the system that keep the status quo. Yes, I said vote them in, because I think it’s still the best current option. It’s slow, and it sucks, and there will still be a ton more damage done before anything (hopefully) changes for the better, but I’m not giving up. Just expressing my fears and thoughts. Iowa’s recent election shows that voting still works, at the very least, in the smaller elections.
To reiterate: I, and everyone capable of doing so, should still vote. Who knows, maybe we can get enough independent Congress seats filled to eventually have an actual say in what happens.
But you can understand my frustrations right? These people are breaking the law, refusing to follow scotus rulings, committing war crimes, and a great deal of people are cheering for it, and not a single consequence is being dished out to those who deserve it. The rule of law has never to my knowledge been so flagrantly ignored in American history.
I’ll continue to participate in democracy, but I won’t truly believe it’s working until crimes and behavior is answered for, and those currently in power are properly held to account.
Still wondering, are leftists just going to share memes or is this suggesting we start building bombs? The message I keep getting is that voting alone doesn’t work, that liberals, even liberal protests, don’t work, that peaceful resistance doesn’t work.
So like… Who here is actually thinking of blowing something up or assassinating someone? Are we just talking big while looking around for someone to move first?
Even then, where are the Luigi copycats? If we are so much more effective than liberals, why the hell aren’t we doing anything?
the circles of people organizing and making plans, and the people talking about it in random surveilled spaces form a venn diagram with no overlap. even as the circles of people present here and the people who are fighting in meaningful ways probably do have overlap
Where are these people? I don’t see them here but I just don’t see them anywhere. No buildings have blown up in DC, and the people we see who have attempted an assassination are loose lone wolves with conservative/ non-aligned backgrounds. Yes, even Luigi.
Please, show me evidence of an American black hand.
That’s the catch-22. They’re apparently around, but nobody can talk about it because if they do they’ll ruin their opsec or whatever.
So how do we even know it’s real. Nobody has done anything to indicate that any real resistance exists. They could put up flags or do some kind of public thing that indicates there’s a resistance out there. But nope. Nothing.
And I don’t think people should be blowing up federal buildings (unless they’re empty of federal workers who are 99% just normal people). Not only is that just wrong, but it would do nothing but hurt the cause in the eyes of the rest of the country.
I have no idea how big or growing they are, but if I did and stated evidence here I would be doing them a massive disservice. Even right wingers don’t talk openly of their plans for violence despite nearly having a free pass in comparison. Are you just trying to get people banned or something?
Or maybe the simpler answer is that they don’t exist.
No, I’m not, because I’m not an American and it isn’t our fucking job to fix the thing the rest of us have been telling you for decades was going to happen.
Are there any organizations taking direct action?
People usually don’t like throwing their lives away for a 1 off act of rebellion.
As individuals, I think the best course of action is to build a movement behind a common goal. Talk to the people around you. Talk to people online. Break up infighting and bring people together on their common grounds. When the movement becomes big enough, then everyone rebels simultaneously. One person rebelling is one life thrown away for no gains and one less person in the movement. Everyone rebelling together is what leads to real change.
Are there any organizations taking direct action?
That’s you. Organize and talk to others. You will eventually find others also organizing towards the same goal. Merge your efforts and you have a larger organization. Rinse and repeat.
The reason so many rich are financing these Neoliberal organizations to take charge is because they will never tell us to perform the necessary action to redistribute their wealth.
So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…
It’s called controlled opposition
So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…
It’s not one or the other. You can organize independently of the neoliberals.
And how much of a chance does that give independent grassroots organizations that don’t receive money from billionaires?
You know it’s more difficult to go to two different protest events on the few days, you just don’t support the things that are necessary to enact change because you are a good serf.
how much of a chance
A non-zero chance. If you have a better idea, I’m all ears. The only alternative I’m hearing is to give up, and that guarantees your chances to be zero.
You know it’s more difficult to go to two different protest events on the few days, you just don’t support the things that are necessary to enact change because you are a good serf.
Protesting is just one of many ways of building the movement. A protest tells you that there are others ready to take action. It creates conversation and an opening to talk to the people around you about it. Being at the protests is always good, but it’s not the only way to help a movement.
I’m not sure if I understood what you were saying. Regardless, I think my response makes sense for at least two possible interpretations of it.
You could not even google it – like … how … What did they do to you guys…?
There’s usually one or two people actually, but they don’t usually help their cause as much as they’d like to. That guy who missed Trump didn’t help anyone do anything except make trump almost a martyr. I had a friend who told me that he knew Trump would win after that. While I don’t think in absolutes and wasn’t as sure as him (and this was not a maga guy of the rails, this is a calm man who had more to lose than me) he was right that trump did win. Most people who assassinate a president or candidate don’t get the change they want.
They are always mentally ill. Of course they don’t. When you are over that edge it’s clear that there isn’t a whole lot of reality and humanity left in a person. Any murderer that has been analyzed or recovered explicitly mentions overriding critical thought to be able to do those deeds.
Yeah… Like, I agree a lot of the liberal “resistance” is useless but also every time I see a leftist online advocating for revolution, I’m wondering when they’re gonna kick it off.
People who are actively working for change in concrete ways don’t often call attention to themselves by posting about it on public social media. If nobody in power is working to silence you, you’re probably participating in controlled opposition and not much else.
How incredibly convenient. Or paranoid.
It ain’t gonna happen until a critical mass of the population has nothing left to lose. As it stands now, revolution sounds great to me, but getting arrested or killed leaves my family impoverished and possibly homeless. Being a cog in the machine is a preferable fate
Civil-War/Rebellions/Revolution’s are massively deadly and don’t frequently resolve in the revolutionaries favor. Sometimes someone worse comes along to fill the vacuum, sometimes the state just gets to justify clamping down harder if it wins.
Dude… why you gotta call me out like that? I was perfectly content being an online slacktivist, griping about shit I’m not actually going to do anything about and now you’ve ruined it 😠
Yah I don’t have solutions for near-term successes because we’re now living in motherfucking consequence.
Our liberal appeals, our lefty identity politics, our scolding and appealing and hand-wringing about all the wrong problems to focus on has cost us everything and I have spent the last decade warning everyone that this was going to happen.
But sure, go ahead and keep sharing memes on Lemmy about how bad orange man is, keep reposting witty twitter exchanges and keep deluding yourselves into thinking “any day now, America is going to wake up and DO SOMETHING” while the situation gets progressively worse.
You don’t expect some great plan for getting out of “consequence” you try to avoid it from happening in the first place. A lot of us were screaming the entire last decade that we need to mobilize FAST to get grassroots candidates installed in local and state seats, that we need to protest not brands for not being woke, but we needed to protest EVERYTHING and start hoarding and saving money broadly. You lost the left because the left was about scolding the right and not mobilizing people against oligarchy and corporations. You made it about inclusivity and fringe issues when it should have been about workers. Once you secure the workers and production, you can then fix the social issues… I don’t understand how you all thought you were going to fix social issues while the elite capitalists were running the show.
Sure though, go ahead and blame the Democrats, blame Obama, blame dumb hicks who have no education or consistent values and just go along with whatever emotional narrative feels good to them at the moment- you know, instead of USING them like the tools they are. We could have done SO MUCH.
Right now, America’s remaining middle-class liberal population are like a ripe nest of honeypot ants out in the Sahara. There are massive forces looking at that ripe basket of wealth waiting for any and every opportunity to chop into that nest and start scooping out whatever they can before it’s all gone, and it’s going fast. That’s where we’re fucking at right now. The middle-class is being raped and gutted and we’re here on the sidelines saying “Is our platform inclusive enough?”
Fuck all ya’ll. You were dumb and this is what happens when you’re dumb. First you checked out and didn’t care what was happening, then when you started to care, you just divided in a thousand splinters arguing about the dumbest shit imaginable for performative Lefty Points that can be redeemed at your local concentration camp for the benefit of feeling smug as you wait for deportation.
It was always going to happen. The universe is Entropic, and this is how that manifests. There is no escaping decay, our fathers had a good run.
You fundamentally misunderstand entropy and what that word is used for
It’s kind of like the difference between dying at 35 because you didn’t tie your shoes and tripped on your front steps, versus dying at 85 shaking your fist at the world and saying “I did all I could do!”
If nothing else, I am beyond angry what they did to NASA and the 50+ missions that just got scrapped. I wanted to see the surfaces of other worlds if nothing else at all.
But sure, go ahead and keep sharing memes on Lemmy about how bad orange man is
It’s not an orange man bad meme. It’s a liberals ain’t doing nothing meme, which is actually a true and valid problem. We have to find ways to sabot the gears of the autocratic oppression machine. As Helen Cox Richardson notes, if you got an artistic bone in your body, get to artting!
Also Knitting Cult Lady did a video ( on YouTube about how Orange Man’s orange makeup is the same thing as Queen Elizabeth I’s make-up (white leaded paint, which, yes, did poison her) to signal that she is a living god. In the queen’s case it was a means to get England to recognize a woman as a legit ruler (rather than pressuring her to find a husband to take over).
Orange Man does it because he wants to be a cult leader (which is essentially the same thing), and we don’t find his facepaint absurd enough to throw him from his podium or think of him as a clown.
This is how we know human beings are the evolutionary equivalent of a lowest-common-bidder project, the minimum amount of reasoning necessary to build a rocket and touch the moon. Otherwise, we are still brutal animals, and apes as silly as the ones in the jungle.
He’s wearing the face paint for the same reason 18th century French aristocrats did- because he has syphilis. You have got to be joking with the “divine symbolism” take, he’s an intellectual basket case, he’s nowhere close to being capable of that level of symbolic ostentation, and neither would his base be capable of making that connection, that’s just dumb.
I don’t even take issue with this meme in this post, it’s actually closer to reality than anything.
It’s the constant, daily “LOOK AT WHAT HE SAID AND LOOK AT WHAT THIS PERSON SAID IN REPLY” or other kinds of fake, delusional satisfaction-porn that we all spread and pat ourselves on the back for that bothers me. I don’t mind the propaganda, we need everything we have, but I don’t like how it’s being circulated in places where it’s just reinforcing people’s belief that we’re actually scoring points.
I feel strongly that if the average LemmyLefty were to see just how strong the country’s conservative base really is, and just how tuned-out and apathetic the average American voter is, any how many there really are, they would despair the way I have and sound just as angry and cynical as me.
And then hopefully, after the despair passes, they will start tackling it seriously like the real problem that it is, from a more realistic ground-floor than letting themselves get distracted over every identity-politics hit-piece and emotional appeal designed to make people lose rational thought.
Everything you claim should be done is what Bernie Sanders supported and that got us nowhere.
It’s really easy to get up on your high horse and claim that leftist identity politics is the problem instead of looking at the systemic failures of American democracy. Lobbying, Gerrymandering, media outlet control, anti-intellectual propaganda, voter disenfranchisement, an underfunded education system, the electoral college, a packed supreme court, etc.
This isn’t a case of ‘if you can stop being righteous and just hate gay people for a moment we could have had universal health care.’ This is a case of the democratic process unravelling in its end stages as the popular candidate lost the vote four times in the seven presidential elections.
Everything you claim should be done is what Bernie Sanders supported and that got us nowhere.
Imagine if Bernie just gave up the first time he lost an election, he would have bowed out in 1972 when he only got 2.1% of the vote in a Vermont Senate special election.
Instead he’s been bang on consistent with his views for going on 60 goddamn years now. The rest of the left could learn a lot from that.
Never forget that thousands lined up to vote for Bernie during covid, putting their health at risk and he ultimately… dropped out.
Real leadership quality there. I’m sure his candidacy would have been enough to stop the fascists.
Joe Biden.
if you can stop being righteous and just hate gay people for a moment we could have had universal health care.
What’s really sunk is this widespread, infectious binary thinking. It’s not even natural, it’s a product of media and propaganda.
If you all think “focusing on workers” as a priority is the same as “hate gay people” then we have no hope. It means our minds are not capable of holding simultaneous ideas or making priorities anymore. It fucking sucks and I don’t know how to explain things anymore to people in ways that don’t trigger this kind of “all or nothing” “love or hate” “black and white” thinking mode, and it’s getting worse.
You wanted equality? Then you should have looked at how the average dumbass white, straight american views it… as a secondary issue. Then used their primary issues to leverage our society to the issues we wanted to see. Now we lose everything because we couldn’t work with the problem we had and instead tried to solve all the problems at once. It’s dumb and sometimes I want to give up and let you all have the fascist hellhole nightmare you all seemed to secretly want so you can continue to be victims of the establishment and not have to get off your asses and DO something for your community.
Uh… Just force 99% to work like slaves, pretend there’s scarcity by not allowing health or food to some humans to spur the shit out of the parents, while they are looking away, teach them and their kids and their kids continually that there’s scarcity and we have to work insanely much to survive. Then be offended when equality, the literal core issue, that you are all treated like trash by a higher hierarchy and for no reason… there are maybe 40 people you need to conquer but nah, focus on your fucking status game, focus on fucking if a guy wants cock??? Then say wow, so you care so much about blah blah? Literally the objective of equality is no it is cool that you hyper focus but also oops solve problems solve health solve happiness solve productivity solve fucking not burning the boreal and slaying the entire human race… Equality isn’t a secondary issue… its a root issue.
That’s a little hypocritical of you to call this “widespread, infectious binary thinking” when I was pointing this out in your comment, not advocating for it.
You’re faulting liberals for stifling class warfare through engaging in identity politics, when you said so yourself that it doesn’t have to be either or.
Identity politics isn’t the enemy of class warfare, it’s corporate interests, lobbying, and billionaires, and they want you to do exactly what you are doing now, which is to get liberals to gatekeep each other while they laugh at low tax rates.
That’s a little hypocritical of you to call this “widespread, infectious binary thinking” when I was pointing this out in your comment, not advocating for it.
I was saying that you pointing it out in my comment was the binary, black and white attitude. I say: “We on the left have been tackling this problem wrong, most American’s don’t care about the issues we keep hitting them with.” To which Lefty Clone #409687 says “How can you hate marginalized people so much you’re willing to turn your back on them???”
It sounds exactly the same to me as “You want to help children in Gaza? How can you empower anti-semitism???” In that, one has nothing to do with the other. It’s an artificial binary used to keep us from getting anywhere. Yah, we did too much scolding and identity politics and abstract worries that people don’t see… Covid should have been our wake-up call that people’s minds have changed or melted out their ears, we should have focused on issues that average americans actually care about, we should have leveraged their selfish worries and used their fear to fight the system that wants to send us all to camps. Then we could have done better and pushed our desires for a just and equitable world back on stage and got that shit protected… we were even making progress on it for a little while. Then everyone started falling for the same distractions.
swapping the dems in, if it were even possible (it isnt, especially now) would be like changing captains of the titanic after it hit the iceberg. its still gonna sink no matter what. its by design. the debts too big, and the game is over.
the sacrificial goat was the US, and now a new shithole state rises from the ashes. and its blue print will stretch across the world to all the US’s former allies in time.
doesnt matter whos the face of it anymore, there are contingencies on both sides that will make sure this continues no matter who gets popped.
position yourself accordingly.
Of two evils, you have to choose the lesser. Well, for those in power, so to speak, power corrupts or simply leaves no choice, so the choice is not easy.
After the 3rd real life trolley problem people kinda just stop playing philosophy as a protest.
The greatest evil obviously is limiting the choices to evil – some pure satan shit right there
