• Ice@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    millions of people

    Where did you source this data? Based on mainstream sources (UN, OCHA, B’Tselem) the number of Arabs displaced from modern day Israel/former territories of Mandatory Palestine from '47 until 2025 are between 995 - 1’105’000 and the number of casualties 67 - 105’000.

    As a comparison, the number of Jews displaced from Arab countries during the same period number somewhere between 800-900’000.

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      1 hour ago

      Here’s the Lancet with a conservative estimate of 186,000 (7.9% of the population) between Oct '23 and May '24, obviously this figure will be higher by now.
      It’s very difficult to count, because non-Palestinian journalists aren’t allowed to enter, and Palestinian journalists aren’t allowed to continue being alive.

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        Here’s the Lancet with a conservative estimate of 186,000 (7.9% of the population) between Oct '23 and May '24, obviously this figure will be higher by now.
        It’s very difficult to count, because non-Palestinian journalists aren’t allowed to enter, and Palestinian journalists aren’t allowed to continue being alive.

        Edit to add, because I just reread this: comparing Jews displaced from Arab countries to Palestinians displaced by Israel is frankly, fucking base racism — simultaneously antisemitic and islamophobic. If I wasn’t so disgusted I’d be impressed.

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        16 hours ago

        Interesting although contentious letter detailing an estimate of potential indirect conflict deaths (it includes potential future deaths).

        However, it seems rather simplistic and/or flawed. They simply multiply the casualties Hamas have reported by a “conservative” x4 multiplier which then gives their number. The multiplier comes from this publication and states that most of the casualties are “indirect and caused mainly by preventable infectious diseases, malnutrition, and neonatal- and pregnancy-related conditions that emerged in the resource-poor post-conflict environment.” - which means that this number includes post-conflict casualties that have not yet happened and are preventable. Furthermore, the base number already includes a lot of indirect civilian deaths, and unlike the other conflicts that the x4 multiplier comes from is heavily reported on and followed by media/authorities.

        This article from Die Welte is more recent and examines a more robust study.

        Still, even if we took the estimate provided by the Lancet here at face value, OP’s claim of “millions of people” looks like absurd misinfo to me.

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          7 hours ago

          You’re entitled to your opinion on the matter of course. And the saddest realisation is that because of the industrial scale of the killings, human lives are a rounding error and we will never know the true number.

          It looks like about 140000 Palestinians killed between 1948 and 2023, with about 40000 more confirmed since 2023. My source is the Palestinian Central Bureau for Statistics.

          In addition to that, millions (yes millions) of Palestinians have been displaced, including two million since 07.10.2023.

          So when op said:

          killing and displacing millions of people.

          They were 100% correct, in fact. There is not a shred of absurdity in this claim, and it can’t be considered misinformation.