• laszlopanaflex@piefed.world
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              4 days ago

              If we consider the gun ‘attached’ to the handler, would that put the blame back on the person? Or maybe we ought to consider the handler as part of the gun itself.

              • atomicorange@lemmy.world
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                3 days ago

                Neither the gun alone nor the person alone would have killed. Therefore, the dangerous thing is the COMBINATION of gun + person. In conclusion, we shouldn’t ban guns, just make it illegal for people to interact with them in any way.

      • anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        Or the military personnel shot by misfiring pistols when they drop them.

        And surely someone in history has been killed by knocking over a rack of guns and being clobbered.

      • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
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        3 days ago

        Not quite in that form, but targeting restrictions on ammunition moreso than the guns themselves is part of my view on that issue. The country is full of guns already, they last practically forever with maintenance, and at the end of the day they’re basically just a sturdy tube with some hardware to set the bullet off, and as such it would be difficult to stop illicit manufacturing (3d printed guns and zip guns come to mind). Bullets are at least consumable, require explosive chemicals to make and a gun won’t fire without them. If you make it difficult to acquire large amounts at once, then it doesn’t matter as much if a gun is modified to be fully automatic either.

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          3 days ago

          That’s fair, it’ll also mean that the equivalent of ghost guns will be a sight to see given that making your own smokeless powder is very difficult but making your own black powder is just a pain in the ass (the only component that’s easy to restrict can be extracted from human biological waste). And as far as I’m concerned, if you want to make black powder cartridges so much you’re willing to process urea into saltpetre go ahead. You aren’t getting a modern mass shooting like that