Sanders is one of the most popular politicians in the US, and his political analysis and messaging remain as relevant and compelling as ever. But while his Tour to Fight Oligarchy is inspiring and important, the broad left badly needs a political vision that goes beyond Sanders.

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    4 days ago

    Centrists need to stop telling leftists what to do and what is good for them or they’re going to keep on losing elections.

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    No.

    The Left needs to get rid of fucking Schumer.

    Let Bernie retire, because the man was there for the signing of the declaration (pretty sure his signature is just below Adams’s.)

    Let the man retire. Get rido f the Quaislings that seem content to be ineffectual opposition.

    Do stuff other than beg the base for money and give people somethign they can be involved in. Start looking at community efforts. Build ties at the base’s own level so the base SEES the Democratic party Doing stuff locally that HELPS them.

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    this is basically saying, we are currently at -10, Sanders is at +3 and we need to jump to +10 right away. Not gonna happen unless through civil war.

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      More of a revolution than a civil war.

      Despite all the maga bots online. There are very few die hard maga in real life.

      And I realize that most of the military is Republican.

      However. Trump has been fucking over the Vets pretty hard.

      He also has removed a lot of the military’s top leaders. People who the military personnel respected.

      Surely this is going to start eroding the military personnel’s loyalty.

      But then I also remember how Republicans have consistently voted against their own interests.

      And how many people in Russia are against the Ukraine war because they have friends and family in Ukraine. And their soldiers keep dying.

      Yet…they are still following orders to attack.

      Things are so uncertain.

      But if the American people have to literally battle anyone in our own country it’s going to be us vs our military personnel.

      And they have weapons and training.

      Our only real chance is using our intelligence over force. and our decentralized leadership is a strength. So one specific leader can’t be targeted and disrupt the movement.

      Basically guerilla warfare. Targeting propaganda, military resources, factories that manufacture weapons, and imports. And a priority is Trumps secret police force. ICE.

      Because they are removing people who would stand with us. Taking away our resources.

      We need to target their communication systems.

      There is a few ways that can be done.

      Physical disruption or by overloading their systems with inaccurate information.

      Of course many of these targets potentially negatively affect the civilian combatants too.

      We have to really plan this well. Be strategic.

      We need to start preparing for this possibility though. Now. Right now.

      I hope we can do this the legal way and get him arrested.

      But if not, then we will have to consider plan B.

      Every day we move closer to B. Already we are seeing more effects by vandalism of Tesla’s. Vs judge orders.

      I personally hold not only the 10 Dems who sold us out. But every single Republican who voted yes on the CR too.as well as voting in unqualified department heads.

      The representative dems and Republicans who have not stood up to him.

      They also are just as responsible.

      The judges who have allowed him to continue his obviously unconstitutional activities.

      Every single person in Trump’s cabinet.

      They will all be held accountable for their actions when this is said and done.

      We won’t forget. They are traitors.

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    5 days ago

    I believe the left needs to start listening to Sanders. This man is a genuine champion. He, for decades, has been shunned by his colleagues, and yet he has never wavered in continuing to fight for all of us. I wish I had a fraction of the courage this man has.

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    3 days ago

    Almost like some sort of grassroots 3rd party that is literally too radical of an idea for you fools in this community who argued Biden (and Harris) was somehow more leftist than Obama.

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    We need more like sanders. Fuck the democrats. I want independents and I want all those who aren’t on board with the Democrat party to recognize it’s time for a change. Especially now in this time of rebuilding while conservatives are in power.

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    Bernie should be running “here’s how to run for office in your area” drives on his oligarchy tour. The only way progressives will kick out corporate democrats is by the common person running more. Bernie should be pushing more people to run instead of just getting up on a stage in front of people and being a politician. He’s not a good organizer. Great talker. Horrible at getting people out to vote. Dude couldn’t even get enough people out to vote in the Democrat primary in 2016 to defeat Clinton. She beat him by a larger voting margin than Trump won by last year.

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      Oh no, every fuckin person In line to vote with me just said they were voting for Clinton because they were told he couldn’t win. Everyone agreed with him yet I couldn’t convince the 20 people in line that if we all voted for him it could all work. The dnc did him wrong, the media coverage wasn’t great (never is take that as it is), and people thought Clinton was a shoe-in. I dont disagree with your statement for teaching people how to run, but don’t disregard how the dnc didn’t want him there at all.

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        The DNC definitely didn’t want him there. But the RNC didn’t want trump. Trump was able to convince voters to vote for him despite him being a long shot candidate. Bernie wasn’t. Bernie, if he was a better organizer, would have been able to convince more people to vote in the primary either to outnumber the people who voted for Clinton or convinced the Clinton voters to change to his side. Obama was someone who was able to convince voters to come out and vote for him in the primary and was able to convince Clinton voters to switch sides. Again, Bernie couldn’t.

        I also think a core part of this is just him running for the nomination for the Democrat party despite not in fact being a Democrat. I had many people around me who also agreed with him but voted for Clinton because he wasn’t a Democrat and obviously only wanted to be able to be a part of the party when he needed them as opposed to always being there.

        I personally think if Bernie had always been a part of the Democrat party he would have had an easier time convincing enough people to switch to his side. It’s not like he needed a blowout to win the nomination. This is also why I think someone like AOC would have an easier time running for the nomination since she is and always has been a Democrat.

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    I agree with a lot of this article, but it doesn’t really acknowledge the reality of the Democratic leadership’s obstruction. The party is, generously, a slightly left-of-center organization that prioritizes stifling their own left wing over defeating their far-right opponents. They’ve successfully held off two of Bernie’s presidential runs, redistricted Bowman out of his seat, and Pelosi has spent so much time and effort undermining the squad (and AOC personally) that it borders on pathological.

    I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Bernie in this article, and beyond that, he’s just too old to be in the Senate, much less the standard bearer for the entire left, but the Democrats have spent decades making sure there’s no viable alternative. We need to move past Bernie, but we need to build an actual progressive movement that can get past Democratic obstruction to do that, and for now, Bernie is still the de facto leader of that movement.

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    Sanders works with democrats while voters paint democrats as evil. If you love Bernie then ask yourself why does he keep such company? Vilifying the dem party ain’t helping and your Bernie recognized that a long time ago. What are you accomplishing ?

    Something needs to change either people pull their head out of their ass and cut this shit out, or they get better at shit and stop it. But wtf

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      Because that’s the only way he can even begin to accomplish any goals. What’s the alternative? Working with Republicans what the fuck? The only way anyone can accomplish something in a two party system is to try to work with one of the two parties. Do you think he would have any better success with the Republicans?