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I want to preface this by saying that I do vote in every election, and I think everyone should exercise their right to vote.
That being said, both parties are bad. We’re in a class war, and the Democrats are just as beholden/part of the oligarchy as the Republicans are.
The Republicans are definitely worse than the Democrats. There’s no question there, but what we really need is a fucking revolution.
Yep, millennial Facebook-tier Office memes aren’t going to make me sign my name to endorse genocide, sorry Blue MAGA.
Dear Americans, voting for Democrats will get you nowhere, too. I know this is hard, but you will have to start a revolution or vote for a third party in an unprecedented coordinated effort.
Try your hardest to create a new party the day after election day. If it fails, vote Democrat and start trying again the next day.
You have no idea how strongly and passionately I wish to see the day that you guys get a proper multi-party system. What you have right now is super fucked up.
https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
EDIT: Also, yes, Trump and GOP are definitely trying to downright rig elections and that can’t be ignored, of course
The first step to multiple parties is ranked choice voting. But honestly rather than multiple parties, no parties is the better format
But a democratic politician did that one thing thirty years ago!
At the very least, people not voting definitely benefits someone—apathy is never neutral.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to fascism. If you think voting alone is going to save our country, or the world, you have a problem.
I like how people here are trying to have a discussion of whether or not voting third party, or voting at all, is necessary when there are currently concerns (and investigations) of Trump and the Epstein class rigging this last election in the first place. I should also remind everyone that there were similar concerns when Bush first got elected back in 2000. How sure are we that we can rely on voting if that is indeed true?
Furthermore-- I voted for Harris, but I am fucking sick and tired of voting for Democrats. Fucking sick and tired! They are fucking useless. I voted Democrat these last four presidential elections and it is these Democrats and the party as a whole who helped usher in Trump. It has done nothing but cause problems. Biden carved the pathway for both Trump and Netanyahu to carry on the genocide in Palestine and now in Lebanon. He helped the Israeli government go on this psychotic imperialistic crusade against others like Iran and very soon Cuba. And Greenland. Harris vowed that she would continuing working with the Israeli government if she was elected, and she vowed to have the ICE budget expanded also. Both sides ARE fucking bad. Democrats have done jack shit to try to impeach Trump or 25th amendment him so far despite the child sex trafficking through ICE arrests, nor the outright kidnapping and murders of American citizens on the streets and in ICE encampments. Nor for kidnapping leaders of other countries. The list goes on. Just impeachment alone.
Most Democrat congressmen are financed by AIPAC just like the Republicans. Whether anyone is liking or not, the Democrats are 1,000% enabling the Republicans, and even if Harris won this last election, we will be dealing with the potentiality that the Republicans would come back in full force by mid-terms or general elections anyway.
I understand that voting blue no matter who is a way for people to feel as though they are doing something. I still encourage voting. But voting blue no matter who, no matter how bad or how mediocre the candidate is, is clearly not working at all.
We can beat aipac. We’ve proven it in Illinois.
Both sides bad AND you still have to vote.
both sides are pretty bad, but you still gotta get on the bus
That doeant mean you have to get on one of the two major busses. It’s completely fine to pick a third smaller bus. It might take longer to arrive, but it doesn’t smell like someone pissed on the seat.
That would be a great solution, if we ever manage to get one of those small buses to go anywhere.
But although that bus may literally be perfect to ride on the inside, the engine seizes and tires explode so you’re stuck 5 feet from the bus depot with no actual hope of going anywhere
ranked choice voting would open up so many more bus routes
Voting third party is also a vote for Republicans.
No, it’s not. This is a lie to keep people from actually breaking the system. Every election is just a game of wedge issues used to polarize the population into two camps. That’s not how we as a people work. They’ve been doing this for decades, and it’s worked. Women’s rights, gay rights, racial equality, trans rights. They’re always building their platform around minority groups (or foriegn issues) and being loud about it while not doing anything to foster the support they claim to offer. What is the actual population of trans students in the U.S.? I am an ally, but I can see what it is now. It’s virtue signaling. It’s manufacturing a battle, or choosing one, that will keep us engaged and supportive while also making sure they don’t have to do anything for labor rights or reining in corporate America and wealth.
“Vote blue no matter who” is a trap to signal that the establishment is just going to tell you what you want to hear. Anyone actually willing to pull the country the other way won’t win their primary. Period.
A third-party candidate can be an actual threat because they pull voters from everywhere. Regardless, I’m not playing the red vs. blue bullshit anymore. I’m voting with my heart and beliefs, and I hope others do the same before third parties are completely locked out of the digital environment the same way they are in the corporate news environment.
And don’t come at me in response with some hypothetical about one of those minority groups, as I’m sure you or others like you would, as if it’s a binary choice.
cope
Bingo.
Just got perma-banned from the “Late Stage Capitalism” sub cuz I called the single moderator (always bad) out as a coward for deleting my comments pointing out that both sides are not the same and in the situation we find ourselves in it is to our benefit to vote for the one currently not engaging in fascism.
Kinda wish there was a rule that subs have to have more than one active moderator or get shut down after a period of time. But I guess some subs are so small and specific that wouldn’t work. Just sucks losing subs to a single powertripping moron.
I had some stuff removed there as well. I also just called someone out for letting slip the term “Democrat Party” which is an epithet used by the right wing.
While the Lemmy user base leans left, right-wing operators are still very active here. The know they’ll get nowhere by defending the GOP, so their big push is to convince people not to vote.
Both sides are not the same, but they are both pro-robber baron and anti-union.
I saw you get banned, they have weird rules at that sub but it’s their sub, their rules.
There are a lot of political subs for us to play in, and remember that if you aren’t being banned from somewhere that means you are a suckup
Reddit got me comfortable with bans.
The mod of that sub is a coward with a comment history ONLY in that sub. His own posts in his OWN sub constantly get downvoted. He’s a snowflake loser who’s unable to leave his safe space. Sucks because “Late Stage Capitalism” is a sub people get drawn to, on Reddit too, so it’s frustrating having a popular sub under the complete control of a total moron.
I guess the trick is to get on a new platform early and snatch up what you know will be popular subs. Then you have your soap box.
Right, but that’s also no excuse for running lesser monsters on the other side. We have every right to refuse all monsters no matter their severity.
We have every right to refuse all monsters no matter their severity.
I’m not saying this isn’t a generally good viewpoint, but doing so, at the wrong time, will get you fascism. And that’s what we got.
Sometimes you have to pick the “lesser evil” to avoid a cataclysmic shit show. Gotta read the room.
by voting 3rd or 4th
No, this claim is false.
I know both sides are absolute shit, and I still voted for Harris. And I hate Harris, though not as much as Biden or Trump. I would not have voted for Biden.
I didn’t “design” this opinion to manipulate anyone’s vote. My opinion has been earned through life experience, including political volunteering and running for office.
Damn you really blame people for not choosing between Moloch or Baal.
I blame people for not acknowledging that all things are not equal and one side is definitely worse than the other and not voting for the lesser evil leading to our lives being controlled by the greater evil.
That’s one way to see it.
But you’ll have a difficult time convincing me that AOC and Fetterman are equally evil. (Yes, I realize that they don’t compete directly with one another in elections.)
Some candidates are worth a vote, simply because they DO truly care.
A far greater proportion of candidates are worth a vote because their opponent is so much worse.
And there’s no law that says you MUST choose a candidate when you think both are unqualified. Most people want to walk into a booth, choose ® or (D) and leave. If that’s not you, then don’t vote for a presidential candidate. Your other votes will still count. Vote in local elections and state elections. Vote in primaries.
Unironically yes.
I mean, both sides DO suck. But the decision being made boils down to which side you think has the best chance of leading to an eventual outcome that doesn’t suck. I’m not voting for a party I like, because frankly that doesn’t exist as a viable option, but I’m not going to not vote just because neither side is better than a 3/10. I’d rather the 3/10 than the 1/10.
I think there’s real value in being honest about your feelings. The people who represent us need to know we think they suck. The people around us need to feel like others have the same struggles we do. The space for nuance does exist.
