American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.
Soldiers ‘crushed’ his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to ‘send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.’ The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.
This is yet another one of many examples that affirms the correct answer to “does israel have a right to exist?” is no. No nation has an inherent right to exist, but certainly a nation as horrible as israel should not exist for many reasons, including morally, just like how nazi germany has no right to exist.
Even the allies didn’t deny Germany had a right to exist just its then leadership and most individually culpable
Except that the Nazi nation state no longer existed after World War two. It was dismantled and replaced with a new one, it wasn’t even contiguous it was carved up and divvied out to allies who had different ideas about what the new state should look like. The Nazi state didn’t have a right to exist, and neither does any nation state. They’re just legal constructs and should be discarded when they are harmful.
This division was a mistake we undid ultimately and their is continuity between pre ww2 Germany, nazi Germany, and present day Germany is many or even most respects.
We punished its leaders and some of the worst criminals. We did not declare the state which included millions of people to simply not exist render its land to France and drive millions into the sea or extermination.
Its people have every right to remain.
We are all dirt to these people.
I’m always really surprised more people don’t post this stuff in conservative dominated spaces.
They’re not monsters. Aside from the trolls and bots that are paid to try to sway them to be. Also the under 20 year olds that are edge Lords.
I think it’s legit to get discussions and to challenge their core beliefs honestly. I do it. Some get through, sometimes I get banned. But I’m surprised more people don’t go out and do similar
Most moderators of conservative spaces actively remove this type of news. If you manage to find a conservative space allowing this kind of stuff by all means do post it there.
That’s kind of my point though. There’s like 15 moderators maybe and those moderators likely moderate a measly 1500 other sites and forums and twitch hot tub chats. They can only do so much before they have to either hammer down and prove they are not free speech or they let some past.
Plus this is saying that you’re posting honestly. Legit news that is to drive discussion and not to just rub a dog’s nose in it’s own shit.
Would be great to go back to the days when we’re all mingled. I honestly hate a lot of spaces now because there filled with people who are too out there left or right. It’s boring, it’s predictable and lacks almost no insight into any of these issues. It’s all just rhetoric and cawing
It’s worth a shot, but by and large the more reasonable conservatives are generally no where near those communities. Certainly the moderation of those communities are fanatic about Trump. The conservatives that you might have hoped to call Trump on his stuff have calculated that they can’t afford to challenge Trump even if they personally think he is in the wrong. The ones that have calculated otherwise have been pushed out of the conservative community.
Keep in mind only a very small percentage of users post or write comments. Like less then 10%. And they’re nuts. We’re nuts for posting and commenting into the ether. But we’re even crazier for doing it in a place where everyone just agrees.
You’re not dealing with the person you’re commenting to. It’s about the 90% of others reading it.
I don’t understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What’s the point?
Thanks for all the replies, guys! I appreciate the responses but at the same time I’m now even more depressed. 😬
Because it’s a genocide.
If he confesses they’re justified because “he was totally hamas” if he holds out they’re justified because “he’s a highly trained hamas agent”.
The BBC and New York times will publish the confession uncritically to manufacture consent for Israel torturing doctors.
To push them into breaking so when you kill them you can say that the torture is justified.
Hamas is an excuse, the genocide will happen regardless
The point is cruely and supremacy. Everyone knows torture doesn’t work when it comes to extracting information, even the Nazis knew that much. What they want is to instill fear and terror into every Palestinian, in an attempt to bring the entire population into despair and cripple the resistance. That’s why the IDF routinely kidnaps Palestinians, including children, without any evidence or fair trial, to incarcerate them indefinitely in torture prisons that are more inhumane than we can possibly imagine.
Palestinian Prisoners in Israeli Prisons
Palestinians are jailed without charge, forced into false confessions, routinely tortured, raped, denied medical attention, and some even killed as a result. This includes hundreds of children.
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B’TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)
Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B’TSelem)
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)
The point is they need to make terrorists to justify self defense to make more terrorists to take more land.
many reaons. two I can think of
1- either killing or terrorising/traumatizing everyone so that they leave their country so that settlers can overtake more easily
2- creating international casus belli for bombing hospitals
