Hey, someone trying to do something that isn’t for themselves. No wonder conservatives hate her guts.
Why don’t they use drones lol. Smaller, faster, doesn’t risk anyone’s life, and if the hardware’s right they’ll have free reign (for a while).
edit to add my reply:
They don’t care about activists, if the goal is to distribute aid getting killed seems counter-intuitive.
edit: also drones are dirt cheap, so what if some of your quads get shot, you can launch hundreds at once
edit2: and depending on the speed and size, the chances of shooting them down go down. I don’t think they have trophies on every meter of coastline or loads of EW for every frequency
Just in case it isn’t clear: I’m proposing it as a last-mile delivery vehicle, not as a total replacement
Shes an amazing young lady. Hope its a safe trip. 🙏
OK Greta used to get on my nerves. but this bitch is legit. Fuck yeah… *edit after reading the comments and looking up that she wasn’t on the original ship it seems that this is just libturd propaganda. Greta can eat my woke culture war idendity politics red team blue team tribalism hateing arse. Kenetic revolution is the only way
this is the second time she’s been about to board a ship to break the blockade… part of me is jaded and saying she’s just attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre… the other part says it’s good she’s doing something, even if only attaching her celebrity to an important issue….
Attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre? Are you clinically insane? She is boarding a ship not liking an Instagram post
she already “almost” did this a couple months ago, but then didn’t get on the boat.
let’s see if she’s on the boat this time.however, you’re clinically insane if you can’t possibly understand the extremely simple concept i’m writing down.
you need to tolerate thought. As i said in my post, that was one thought i had, balanced by a different competing thought. And i have reserved judgement for now….
this isn’t a cult, we’re allowed scrutinize and to ask questions… to reserve judgement until evidence… this isn’t just green maga….Oh I remember your username now. Yeah, its never worth talking to you is it.
no, it’s apparently not worth talking to you… please block me and stop talking to me.
Gatekeeping advocacy against a genocide is the wildest kind of lib brain
you have no idea what gatekeeping means… liberal
Wtf?! Are you guys against the genocide or not? I get not everyone getting on a boat and dareing two countries to bomb you, but to judge someone who would for a good cause is beyond bull shit.
I don’t care if she was the most self centered person ever, seems to me she is walking the walk and using what fame she has, that she got by doing this kinda thing in the first place for the most pressing cause. I don’t know what more you could have asked for
a: i’m not part of any “you guys”.
b: like i said, part of me is jaded, part of me is impressed…
i don’t know, because she already almost did this once and then didn’t get on the boat. That isn’t walking the walk…
you greta fanboys are nuts.
i don’t like her because she convinces her followers to drop out of school, when an education would give them a lot of power to actually change things.
protests are great and all, but we DO need more environmental scientists. just because she dropped out doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile to understand environmentalism from a scientific point of view.
i don’t see her so much as walking the walk as much as a very very privileged white girl, who wrote some okay essays and is doing more harm than good.I didn’t mention wether or not she got on the boat before, She’s planning on going on one now where you have law makers making veiled threats on her life. And i can not find anywhere that she told people to drop out of school. She recommended people to go on strike from school for a specific event, and then protest every Friday thereafter. She finished her schooling in 2023 afterward. She never argued that we don’t need more climate scientists, but fucking news flash, nobodies even giving them the time of day let alone any media presence, that’s not her fault. And you dismissing her previous efforts because she is a privileged white girl is wild, unless you expect only disempowered minorities to fight against a god dammed genocide.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
you’re just like maga. not everyone who disagrees with you or asks questions is Rush Limbaugh, and these aren’t “talking points” that i’m getting from a list handed out to right wing newscasters, this just me, a human, talking about thoughts and my inner conflict regarding greta.
do you even know what “talking points” means? or is that just some way that you can discount a person’s perspective entirely.
i’m engaging in a discussion, not making proclamations.
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you clearly missed it but i DO respect her, her values and what she’s doing… just not like, completely worshipping her as some green deity like you.Your inter thoughts and conflict fed by outright lies. You won’t answer me correcting your slander? I wonder why. It’s those lies that are talking points and they were fed to you from somewhere. You misremember? Then you have to reconcile the premise of your position! Also what is it about her being privileged and white that makes her unable to fight against a genocide? I am not going to let you just shrug that off as if your “discussion” has any merits.
you’re an idiot and misrepresenting everything you’ve said.
every question a loaded one.
every conclusion, the most extreme and rage addicted version of reality, twisting….
jesus christ your name is wraith gear?
fuck off, edge lord….
none of the words you’ve said are true, you are completely divorced from reality.go sail a boat and shut the fuck up
I was in my mid 30s when Greta came onto the world stage and I want to be like her when I grow up…
She was also immediately identified as such a threat to status-quo that a lot of effort went into associating her name with “cringe” and people pushed that kind of reaction real hard and it worked. I cannot believe how many arguments I had with other environmental leftists and liberals on places like reddit who hated her but had no idea why.
“Her message is great, but maybe we don’t want her representing these causes” is the line a lot of people defaulted to, and when pressed, proceeded to drop the flimsiest and most half-assed reasoning like “Well her parents are wealthy so it looks bad” or “she’s going to be a distraction” and other nonsense where people simply couldn’t connect the lines and realize they were already influenced by manufactured “online reactions” and memes that associated her name with a “child doing public speaking” which makes people really uncomfortable.
Now she’s an adult, she’s remained consistent in her tone, messaging and passion, and people STILL connect her to “child making an ugly face while shaming grown ups” and this is why she’s in so much danger right now. She’s a threat to power and they used a lot of their bigger cards to smear her enough that a large portion of the world wouldn’t mourn if she were “accidentally” killed in service of her messages.
She’s got more guts than the idiots who mock & criticise her.
I used to be critical of her, I thought she was just a kid being used by her rich parents as a mouth piece. But she has kept her course and changed my mind completely, truly very few people in the world would have courage to do something lile this. I hope she comes back alive from this, we need more people like her.
Edit: actually extend that to everyone on that boat, they are all braver than most of us and should come back safe.
I thought everyone hated her. I could have sworn that like a year ago online discussion was nothing but how terrible she is.
Part of it is the fact that there was an absolutely vicious smear campaign against her character when she first started speaking out. It did a lot to mark her as “cringe”, which made people dismiss her.
Then why was there not an effort to counter that smear campaign. We all saw it but did nothing except let it go on.
It was things like that which has made me so pessimistic and hateful of that left as a whole. I see people today here on Lemmy so passionate and angry at trump. Yet also ineffective for the past decade.
Yeah, let me just spin up my bot farm paid for by me to counter the other bot farms by the corporate interests and mega donors
Whatever you need to tell yourself. You people will drive 8 hours to stand in the rain yelling just to go back home with no progress. You’ll come online every day and cry about trump. But actively engage people outside these echo chambers, that’s impossible something something bot farms.
What do you mean by “you people?”
Short Kings
You brilliant son of a bitch, that’s exactly what we need… An anti bot bot farm… Where users can download an app and join a pool of users to fight propaganda online… I have no idea how that is supposed to work… But yeah…
You hang out toouch in right wing echo chambers
There’s always been very vocal criticisms of her from people who don’t agree with her (for whatever reason they may have). But since she first started her activism, over a decade ago, no one I personally know has had a negative view of her. The people who don’t like her are very vocal about it, but on the whole I’ve always assumed she’s well liked.
I’ve personally been a fan of hers since I found out about her, and every time I hear about her doing something I basically always go “hell yeah”
Me too. But I always feel like people like here are abandon by us because if I go anywhere other then these left spaces, she gets crucified and there’s no defense
when she was younger she was paraded by libs for green washing, the media either hated her or loved her.
when thise libs realised she isn’t a grifter the mass media either ignored her or kept on hating her.
Our shitbag politicians in the US even nag her, Lindsey Graham tweeted about ‘hoping they know how to swim.’ I hope Lindsey Graham falls down some stairs and never gets up.
That closeted queer deserves a far more painful end. A long, protracted one. Maybe being eaten feet first by Randy Fine.
Can we not call people closeted queers as an insult please
He’s a stomach curdling old psychopath and should be put into an old folk’s home. Better?
I hope one of Lady G’s male escorts outside him, which destroys his political career.
People who mock her just blow my mind. Even worse when she was still underage. People were like: yeah i put a “Fuck Greta” sticker on my shitty car, that will teach that 15 year old girl to shut the fuck up.
I always viewed her as the girl who just cried and everyone said respect for that. I thought it was a bit dumb and cringe.
I’m glad to see her do things like this. It changed my mind. Respect to her.
She’s got more guts than most, even those like me who respect and agree with her, and fear for her life.
It’s clear that the israelis are free to murder who they like. Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them and since most corporate media is Zionist supporting, this really makes everyone who stands up to these monsters a potential target.
israel is concerned about losing the support of the west, after trump called for ceasefire and started make deals with saudis and Qatar
Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them
What? Killing journalists, medics and shooting at diplomats is positive publicity?
No of course not but these killings tend to be swept under the rug by the media or get drowned out in the sea of atrocities being committed.
Somebody like Greta being killed would cause a media storm which is why I don’t think the Zios would try as much as they would like to. Killing female activists is a specialty. See Rachel Corrie.
See Rachel Corrie.
Which i hadn’t known about until today.
Okay, that’s definitely suicidal though. Like, is she actually expecting to get through? The Israelis are executing medics and children over there.
Let’s not call being ready to give your life for a cause being suicidal. Desperate, sure, but not that
The amount of stuff she’s been involved in she definitely has main character syndrome and fully believes this’ll work out well.
I don’t want it to sound like im belittling the effort. Its brave as all shit and the best cause I can think of, but still.
Imagine sitting on a bus and looking at a woman who refuses to move to give up her seat and thinking “man, she must have main character syndrome”. If only we had you back there to diagnose her, maybe history would be different now.
Yeah wo/mxn imagine having a time machine
Edited to fix pronouns likely to cause offence
Wow because someone wants to get of their ass and do something to try to better the world they have main character syndrome. Well then I wish more people had it so they could get off their lazy asses and try to better the world.
No i was more thinking that because she’s become the face of planetary eco-warriorism she’ll have started to internalise the concept that she has plot armor. Which isn’t real in real life.
That is happening entirely in your head, not reality
Maybe it will work out. You know what won’t though? You doing nothing and very much belittling her on the Internet.
Im just saying nobody with all their marbles would seriously believe it will end in anything but their own death.
Pretty wildly demeaning to take someone doing something brave and putting her body on the line for people in need as “main character syndrome”. What have you done lately?
What have you done lately?
what they have done lately has zero effect on whether the discussed move is smart or not. that is not how stuff works.
We were not talking smart or not, the discussion was about main character syndrom/brave.
brave
I was talking about the fact that “what have you done” is childish effort to protect yourself from an argument.
and there is thin line between brave and stupid. only the person with main character syndrom will try to shield a grenade with their body hoping the plot armor will protect them.
Some people are willing to die for others. They don’t think they have plot armor, they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery. I find it sad that people tend to belittle this kind of action.
they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery.
if you expect to die and still go through with your plan, that it is the definition of stupidity. if you think you are so important that your death will move millions and finally change things, that is the main character syndrome that is being discussed.
in reality, she will get two news cycles and that will be it. nothing will be changed and she will be dead. if she really wants to do something, it is much smarter to do anything where she does not die in the process.
This has wildly more impact than anything you’re doing and what most people like you are doing (voting for more genocide)
So when someone doesnt vote they’re the problem, and when they do vote they’re the problem?
How’s the average person supposed to do anything?
Nobody said either of those
It was the part where they said (voting for more genocide) that made me think they said either of those. Sorry. I’ll work on my reading comprehension I guess.
oh no. i didn’t give up to logical fallacy so now i am voting for a genocide? now that is some debate championship stuff. how was kindergarten today?
I keep imagining Israeli soldiers screaming “it’s anti semetic!” just like South Park “It’s coming right for us!” to excuse every hail of bullets.
Omg she is gonna get herself killed
Omg
sheIsrael is gonnaget herselfkilledherStill it’s pretty probable when you go over there and I always liked her so that sucks
It’s about framing for me. Too much blaming the children not enough blaming the Israeli Drone Smart Bomb (brought to you by the US Government & Microsoft).
Not to mention all the people already talking about her in the past tense.
I hope she will not die at the hands of
Oof, they got him
Better watch out for
Oh shi
We’re talking about it 20 years later, hope more people read it. RIP.
Damn, I never heard of her before, thank you for sharing
They celebrate her death in Israel by making pancakes.
Deeply unwell society.
Following the incident, an Israeli military investigation concluded that Corrie’s death was the result of an accident and that the bulldozer operator had limited visibility.
We investigated ourselves and found that we didn’t murderl her, and that we aren’t committing genocide. Hurray!
Guess that’ll be a similar page for Greta soon and 20 years later someone will post that and a lot will comment back with “Who?”.
She already has a page, it will be a larger section on her many achievements.
Poor girl, I hope she lives through this.
Why the use of the word “poor”? She’s being brave as hell and using her publicity in a very productive manner.
Please don’t ask me to explain my use of english 🙈
I hope for the best, but I know how this world works. Her death will not move mountains, just add another name to the list of innocent people that have died from this “conflict”. It will be a blip across the screen for maybe a day, and then the next horrible thing will happen to take it’s place.
Save the obituary for if it plays out that way though. Letting your mind run wild with pre-emptive defeatism depletes your energy without giving you any productive results. I’m sorry if I sound patronizing but I see so much of this lately and I think we need to address it more because so many people are paralyzed in fear and hopelessness at a time where maintaining one’s agency is crucial.
Thank you for posting this comment - I fully agree.
Pre-emptive defeatism certainly depletes energy.
It’s so often the first comment I see on an article… Sad and defeated. Kind makes me feel apathetic. So I appreciate you posting that
Thank you for the explanation. I don’t think you’re wrong, but I do think you underestimate the protective power of name recognition. It’s stupid it works this way, but simply by being there she offers some additional protection to all the other brave individuals participating and thus reduces the chances that they all become names on that list.
I wish others in her position could realize that fact and be brave enough to put themselves in harms way to reduce the risk us mere mortals face.
And she’s hardly poor for sure.
Waaa look at mee i make entire comments over semantics!
I’d encourage you to read the reply from SassyRamen and the subsequent discussion there. It’s not about being “semantically correct” it’s about understanding.
I understand why people are pedants
technical correctness is the best kind.
Not really a girl anymore either. She’s an adult. She is a woman.
What a brave woman.
She’s not the first to try. Israel doesn’t want a repeat of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla from 2010. Israel will sabotage her boat so she can’t sail. Greta won‘t get anywhere near Gaza.
Breaching a naval blockade in times of war is very serious business.
but by placing notable people in there (who are genuinely risking their lives) will bring more attention, deter an attack, and bring so much more attention if there’s one.
True bravery is using yourself as a human shield. unlike the mosquito protocol
You hope. It isn’t the ones who know who you are that push the button. You hope…
Well, the previous attempt was already attacked by drone strikes, most plausibly Israeli drones strikes or strikes by another terror state allied to Israel.
I’m scared for her.
There is dying, and there is dying a good death.
Greta Thunberg will die a good death. And Thurberg will be one of the few of us that our descendants can point to show that humanity had at least one fan.
Her actions are guarantee to that.
I’m monitoring that bloat in a online tracker, I’m stressed too.
if a fraction of us were a fraction of her the would be a much better place.
How can I monitor her too?
i think it’s the right ship
Damn, that is not a big boat and could easily be destroyed. Cool website and god speed to Greta.
Pls fix these typos lol I agree with your message tho
