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Okay, that’s definitely suicidal though. Like, is she actually expecting to get through? The Israelis are executing medics and children over there.
I don’t think the expectation is they will get through. The goal is to create a scandal that will increase international attention and pressure to make them stop.
If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
I don’t think sinking this aid vessel would do anything to change the public conversation. The people who are aware already either condemn Israel or support the genocide. The unaware will not care about a handful more dead innocents.
The bottom line is that Israel is openly and proudly committing atrocities and the international community is not willing to stop it. Only a military intervention could dissuade the IDF.
Publicly murdering a well-known pretty white girl is the kind of thing that might get the public on-board with military intervention
I keep imagining Israeli soldiers screaming “it’s anti semetic!” just like South Park “It’s coming right for us!” to excuse every hail of bullets.
Let’s not call being ready to give your life for a cause being suicidal. Desperate, sure, but not that
The amount of stuff she’s been involved in she definitely has main character syndrome and fully believes this’ll work out well.
I don’t want it to sound like im belittling the effort. Its brave as all shit and the best cause I can think of, but still.
Wow because someone wants to get of their ass and do something to try to better the world they have main character syndrome. Well then I wish more people had it so they could get off their lazy asses and try to better the world.
No i was more thinking that because she’s become the face of planetary eco-warriorism she’ll have started to internalise the concept that she has plot armor. Which isn’t real in real life.
That is happening entirely in your head, not reality
Pretty wildly demeaning to take someone doing something brave and putting her body on the line for people in need as “main character syndrome”. What have you done lately?
What have you done lately?
what they have done lately has zero effect on whether the discussed move is smart or not. that is not how stuff works.
This has wildly more impact than anything you’re doing and what most people like you are doing (voting for more genocide)
So when someone doesnt vote they’re the problem, and when they do vote they’re the problem?
How’s the average person supposed to do anything?
Nobody said either of those
It was the part where they said (voting for more genocide) that made me think they said either of those. Sorry. I’ll work on my reading comprehension I guess.
oh no. i didn’t give up to logical fallacy so now i am voting for a genocide? now that is some debate championship stuff. how was kindergarten today?
We were not talking smart or not, the discussion was about main character syndrom/brave.
brave
I was talking about the fact that “what have you done” is childish effort to protect yourself from an argument.
and there is thin line between brave and stupid. only the person with main character syndrom will try to shield a grenade with their body hoping the plot armor will protect them.
Some people are willing to die for others. They don’t think they have plot armor, they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery. I find it sad that people tend to belittle this kind of action.
they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery.
if you expect to die and still go through with your plan, that it is the definition of stupidity. if you think you are so important that your death will move millions and finally change things, that is the main character syndrome that is being discussed.
in reality, she will get two news cycles and that will be it. nothing will be changed and she will be dead. if she really wants to do something, it is much smarter to do anything where she does not die in the process.
Maybe it will work out. You know what won’t though? You doing nothing and very much belittling her on the Internet.
Im just saying nobody with all their marbles would seriously believe it will end in anything but their own death.
Imagine sitting on a bus and looking at a woman who refuses to move to give up her seat and thinking “man, she must have main character syndrome”. If only we had you back there to diagnose her, maybe history would be different now.
Yeah wo/mxn imagine having a time machine
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These Gazans are going to get eliminated, nobody wants to help them, just ask Kuwait and Lebanon. Israels tolerance for terrorism was the only reason they were still alive to begin with, and the murder spree has broken that tolerance.
Imagine if you were an Israeli citizen and there were religious fanatics coming into your towns and murdering and kidnapping everyone, what would be your response and expectation of your government?
You missed the part in which Israeli citizens get indoctrinated since kindergarten and the one in which they have been trying to colonize whatever is around them because their imaginary friends told them to.
Well your country may have been on stolen land, what if you had a group of people near you that wanted to take the land back by force; are you willing to give up your own house?
The whole question is absurd, you’re not going to, and you’re also not going to let them continue attacking you, because your desire to save your family from rape and murder is greater than your empathy.
When are you going to drop the “won’t somebody please think of the children” bomb?
palestinians were established well before israel existed.
if I was living in a stolen house then yes, I would rather our government come to a fair agreement with the people… to act as if we’d all just condone a genocide when many of us don’t even have a say in the matter is just nonsensical.
you’re trying to rationalize away an active genocide like it’s still the era of colonization…which again was wrong
i think we should form sub nations with the Indians we dominated over here but we’re wAyyy too late for that, we’re not for this.its something actively going on. you seem to be forgetting that part
So you live on indigenous land you’re saying, but you’re not in a stolen house?
are you willing to give up your own house?
That argument falls when it’s well-known that the gov deliberately pushes efforts for more illegal settlements… so yeah, not really your house…
If my house was built on land that was taken after murdering the people there, then I would deserve to have my house burned down, feelings are irrelevant.
So non-native Canadians and the Americans should give up all their land back to the indigenous and move back to Europe?
Well yes, in practice that’s not feasible, but we should be giving land back to native groups. In reality humans have migrated throughout history, I don’t disagree with the concept of settling necessarily but groups that were subject to genocide and forced expulsion deserve reparations.
You mean; imagine you were a Palestinian citizen and religious fanatics came into multiple West Bank towns in summer 2023 and set them on fire, and it turns out the Israeli government actively supported the attacks and sent the military to back those settlers and shoot any Palestinians who fought back against the settlers. What would be your response and expectation?
It always amazes me how Israelis act as if October 7 happened completely out of the blue unprovoked. The first 9 months of 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in 20 years with over 240 dead, and the Israeli government refused to prosecute any settlers and instead armed them further. Even the Pope got involved in September 2023 to formally condemn Israeli settlers for vandalizing churches and Ben Gvir defended the attacks saying it was revenge on Christian anti-semitism. Every Palestinian was aware of these attacks, even Hamas threatened to retaliate if the attacks on West Bank towns didn’t stop and Netanyahu decided to do respond by further increasing settler support.
Anyone who acts in the name of god is using delusion to justify madness. There is no third party. We are all each a part of the larger whole.
Hot take: we all have the devine right to exist, no exceptions. If Israeli citizens are so religious and devine, where is the humanity, love and compassion for the women and children of Gaza? The media is pumping out anti-humanism rhetoric, imaging the Palestinian as less than human. An animal. But these are opinions of comfortable people with access to internet, shelter, food and water. Imagine when the new children of Israel actually get to Gaza, and realise what they have done.
I hope she will not die at the hands of
Oof, they got him
Better watch out for
Oh shi
Wishing them success next time
Shes an amazing young lady. Hope its a safe trip. 🙏
Omg she is gonna get herself killed
Omg
sheIsrael is gonnaget herselfkilledherStill it’s pretty probable when you go over there and I always liked her so that sucks
It’s about framing for me. Too much blaming the children not enough blaming the Israeli Drone Smart Bomb (brought to you by the US Government & Microsoft).
Not to mention all the people already talking about her in the past tense.
Why don’t they use drones lol. Smaller, faster, doesn’t risk anyone’s life, and if the hardware’s right they’ll have free reign (for a while).
edit to add my reply:
They don’t care about activists, if the goal is to distribute aid getting killed seems counter-intuitive.
edit: also drones are dirt cheap, so what if some of your quads get shot, you can launch hundreds at once
edit2: and depending on the speed and size, the chances of shooting them down go down. I don’t think they have trophies on every meter of coastline or loads of EW for every frequency
Just in case it isn’t clear: I’m proposing it as a last-mile delivery vehicle, not as a total replacement
I was in my mid 30s when Greta came onto the world stage and I want to be like her when I grow up…
She was also immediately identified as such a threat to status-quo that a lot of effort went into associating her name with “cringe” and people pushed that kind of reaction real hard and it worked. I cannot believe how many arguments I had with other environmental leftists and liberals on places like reddit who hated her but had no idea why.
“Her message is great, but maybe we don’t want her representing these causes” is the line a lot of people defaulted to, and when pressed, proceeded to drop the flimsiest and most half-assed reasoning like “Well her parents are wealthy so it looks bad” or “she’s going to be a distraction” and other nonsense where people simply couldn’t connect the lines and realize they were already influenced by manufactured “online reactions” and memes that associated her name with a “child doing public speaking” which makes people really uncomfortable.
Now she’s an adult, she’s remained consistent in her tone, messaging and passion, and people STILL connect her to “child making an ugly face while shaming grown ups” and this is why she’s in so much danger right now. She’s a threat to power and they used a lot of their bigger cards to smear her enough that a large portion of the world wouldn’t mourn if she were “accidentally” killed in service of her messages.
It’s clear that the israelis are free to murder who they like. Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them and since most corporate media is Zionist supporting, this really makes everyone who stands up to these monsters a potential target.
Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them
What? Killing journalists, medics and shooting at diplomats is positive publicity?
No of course not but these killings tend to be swept under the rug by the media or get drowned out in the sea of atrocities being committed.
Somebody like Greta being killed would cause a media storm which is why I don’t think the Zios would try as much as they would like to. Killing female activists is a specialty. See Rachel Corrie.
See Rachel Corrie.
Which i hadn’t known about until today.
israel is concerned about losing the support of the west, after trump called for ceasefire and started make deals with saudis and Qatar
Big respect.
OK Greta used to get on my nerves. but this bitch is legit. Fuck yeah… *edit after reading the comments and looking up that she wasn’t on the original ship it seems that this is just libturd propaganda. Greta can eat my woke culture war idendity politics red team blue team tribalism hateing arse. Kenetic revolution is the only way
this is the second time she’s been about to board a ship to break the blockade… part of me is jaded and saying she’s just attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre… the other part says it’s good she’s doing something, even if only attaching her celebrity to an important issue….
Wtf?! Are you guys against the genocide or not? I get not everyone getting on a boat and dareing two countries to bomb you, but to judge someone who would for a good cause is beyond bull shit.
I don’t care if she was the most self centered person ever, seems to me she is walking the walk and using what fame she has, that she got by doing this kinda thing in the first place for the most pressing cause. I don’t know what more you could have asked for
a: i’m not part of any “you guys”.
b: like i said, part of me is jaded, part of me is impressed…
i don’t know, because she already almost did this once and then didn’t get on the boat. That isn’t walking the walk…
you greta fanboys are nuts.
i don’t like her because she convinces her followers to drop out of school, when an education would give them a lot of power to actually change things.
protests are great and all, but we DO need more environmental scientists. just because she dropped out doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile to understand environmentalism from a scientific point of view.
i don’t see her so much as walking the walk as much as a very very privileged white girl, who wrote some okay essays and is doing more harm than good.I didn’t mention wether or not she got on the boat before, She’s planning on going on one now where you have law makers making veiled threats on her life. And i can not find anywhere that she told people to drop out of school. She recommended people to go on strike from school for a specific event, and then protest every Friday thereafter. She finished her schooling in 2023 afterward. She never argued that we don’t need more climate scientists, but fucking news flash, nobodies even giving them the time of day let alone any media presence, that’s not her fault. And you dismissing her previous efforts because she is a privileged white girl is wild, unless you expect only disempowered minorities to fight against a god dammed genocide.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
you’re just like maga. not everyone who disagrees with you or asks questions is Rush Limbaugh, and these aren’t “talking points” that i’m getting from a list handed out to right wing newscasters, this just me, a human, talking about thoughts and my inner conflict regarding greta.
do you even know what “talking points” means? or is that just some way that you can discount a person’s perspective entirely.
i’m engaging in a discussion, not making proclamations.
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you clearly missed it but i DO respect her, her values and what she’s doing… just not like, completely worshipping her as some green deity like you.Your inter thoughts and conflict fed by outright lies. You won’t answer me correcting your slander? I wonder why. It’s those lies that are talking points and they were fed to you from somewhere. You misremember? Then you have to reconcile the premise of your position! Also what is it about her being privileged and white that makes her unable to fight against a genocide? I am not going to let you just shrug that off as if your “discussion” has any merits.
you’re an idiot and misrepresenting everything you’ve said.
every question a loaded one.
every conclusion, the most extreme and rage addicted version of reality, twisting….
jesus christ your name is wraith gear?
fuck off, edge lord….
none of the words you’ve said are true, you are completely divorced from reality.go sail a boat and shut the fuck up
Gatekeeping advocacy against a genocide is the wildest kind of lib brain
you have no idea what gatekeeping means… liberal
Attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre? Are you clinically insane? She is boarding a ship not liking an Instagram post
she already “almost” did this a couple months ago, but then didn’t get on the boat.
let’s see if she’s on the boat this time.however, you’re clinically insane if you can’t possibly understand the extremely simple concept i’m writing down.
you need to tolerate thought. As i said in my post, that was one thought i had, balanced by a different competing thought. And i have reserved judgement for now….
this isn’t a cult, we’re allowed scrutinize and to ask questions… to reserve judgement until evidence… this isn’t just green maga….Oh I remember your username now. Yeah, its never worth talking to you is it.
no, it’s apparently not worth talking to you… please block me and stop talking to me.
Damn, I never heard of her before, thank you for sharing
They celebrate her death in Israel by making pancakes.
Deeply unwell society.
We’re talking about it 20 years later, hope more people read it. RIP.
Following the incident, an Israeli military investigation concluded that Corrie’s death was the result of an accident and that the bulldozer operator had limited visibility.
We investigated ourselves and found that we didn’t murderl her, and that we aren’t committing genocide. Hurray!
Guess that’ll be a similar page for Greta soon and 20 years later someone will post that and a lot will comment back with “Who?”.
She already has a page, it will be a larger section on her many achievements.
I’m scared for her.
I’m monitoring that bloat in a online tracker, I’m stressed too.
if a fraction of us were a fraction of her the would be a much better place.
How can I monitor her too?
i think it’s the right ship
Damn, that is not a big boat and could easily be destroyed. Cool website and god speed to Greta.
Pls fix these typos lol I agree with your message tho
There is dying, and there is dying a good death.
Greta Thunberg will die a good death. And Thurberg will be one of the few of us that our descendants can point to show that humanity had at least one fan.
Her actions are guarantee to that.
This is so dangerous and dumb. So much risk for what seems to me as no gain.
She will help more people alive than dead.
It’ll fuel activists if anything happens to her. Someone’s gotta lead, at least appreciate the balls.
What will people do that they couldn’t already do?
Just something they didn’t act upon earlier. Like a trigger.
