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    It’s deliberate by Russia so they have an excuse to bomb us. I’ve been telling you all they would do this since December.

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    Depending on your perspective, either the Americans half-assed their camps, or the Germans overbuilt theirs.

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    May the Heavens smite Trump, and every MAGAt, and let the thunder roar to the furthest ends of the Earth.

    And make sure it fucking hurts.

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      No. Sitting back and waiting for imaginary sky people to act on our behalves isn’t going to accomplish anything. We, the actual people, need to fight back ourselves.

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    what’s annoying is reading on bsky or mastodon or other places with Americans going “it’s happening” or “soon this will be normal” etc it’s like no bro, it isn’t happening and it isn’t soon, it’s now. It’s already happened. you’re living in it. you’re a nazi nation. you aren’t becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.

    you’re at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they’re going to arrest politicians and citizens that don’t agree with them. your government is taking away birthright citizenship and very soon they’ll go after naturalized citizens and then just straight up regular citizens.

    if you’re not a white, “straight”, christian, male earning over $500mil a year you’re fucked. they WILL come for you. They’ve already laid out the protections for the group previously mentioned. You’ve lost your country and no amount of peaceful protesting is going to return it to you. There’s literally one course of action left but I believe the average American is either too afraid or unwilling to commit to it.

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      Ooh, but calling for violence is naughty and will get you banned blah blah blah.

      Get your shit together, America.

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      you’re at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they’re going to arrest politicians and citizens that don’t agree with them

      Not to be a pedant but that’s the beginning of the poem

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      you aren’t becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.

      I can only hope that the body count isn’t as similar as the rest of their playbook.

      It is terrifying to consider the very real possibility that the US may have already “deported” thousands of people to a mass grave somewhere. I’m not aware of any evidence of that, but while it would still shock me it would not surprise me.

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      154 million people voted in 2024. That’s a hair over 65% of the voting agreed population. Over half of those people supported this shit stain, and even if they disagree with him on some things now, most will still support and defend him.

      My personal objections to participating in a armed resistance aside. No one is looking to organize an armed resistance as far as I’m aware and the concept of organizing such a resistance seems nearly impossible for many reasons.

      I’ve seen a few reports of protesters making things more difficult for ICE, but that’s about the most resistance I’ve seen. I’m starting to see why reasonable Germans didn’t rise up, it’s not that they agreed or didn’t want to, it’s difficult to organize a resistance. There needs to be a clear leader, good communication channels, a way to vet those who join, and anything else a military operation needs. And even then, you’d be going up against over half the population and the armed forces. And it would be giving a reason for them to use full military force against the citizens.

      There is no good end to this, there is no way to stop this from continuing. I think a lot of people are counting on midterms to bring a peaceful end to this nightmare, I doubt we will have that chance and even if we do, the outcome will not be enough to swing the power.

      We’re fucked.

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        Your stats are wrong. How are we going up against half the population if much less than half the population voted for Trump… and now his favorability ratings are even lower than when he took office?

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          Nearly half the population didn’t vote at all. It’s not a small number that would still defend him. Maybe not half, but significant enough. Then you have to wonder, how many active duty personnel didn’t vote for him and where would they stand when the orders were given. Would they commit treason in the eyes of the CIC?

          His approval ratings don’t mean a whole lot. We’ve seen how well polls have translated to real results in the last decade. I would also argue that disapproval does not translate to civil disobedience.

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            Okay, so to summarize: You’re disregarding the numbers we do have to support your point.

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        Oh you see now how impossible it really is to fight back once it’s in swing? You either need outside assistance from a hostile country, or you will be dying basically out of spite, accomplishing nearly nothing.

        You need something more, something smarter.

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    That most likely is the case.

    But an areal picture of a bunch of cheap houses in a row isn’t that good of an argument.

    Also, the Holocaust was more about the gas chambers than the locking up.

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      You in a couple of months: “They aren’t gas chambers. They are called deoxygenation rooms. It’s clearly different.”

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        That is a dumb assumption.

        If they are systematically killing people, doesn’t matter how, then you can draw the comparison and I would agree.

        But locking people up and deporting them has always happened in the US. The US is a prison state with regulated slavery for crying out loud.

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      Gas chambers were first trialled in October 1939 and went into regular use in early 1940.

      Hitler came to power in January 1933. So it took 6 years and 8 months (or 80 months in total) to get from getting to power to gassing people.

      Hitler only started mass deportations in October 1938, so 5 years and 8 months (or 68 months) after he got to power.

      Trump has been in power for less than 6 months now.

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        Ok but there isn’t really a totally perfect correspondence. Arguably Trump hasn’t even started “mass deportations”, just extremely brutal ones. They aren’t actually managing to deport people faster than the previous administration right now, and Obama still holds the record by far. Anyway the important thing is it’s not a one-to-one “they are deporting people so we are 80% of the way from them seizing power to death camps”.

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          Of course it’s not a 1:1. It’s a counter to people thinking that the holocaust started five minutes after Hitler was in office.

          Things take time, even horribly atrocities.

          And saying “So far people haven’t been gassed, so it’s not an issue and the comparison to Hitler is invalid” doesn’t really make much sense if you take into consideration how long it took for the Nazis to get to the point of Holocaust and WW2.

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            Oh, sorry, we’re saying the same thing, I misunderstood your comment - I thought by “trump has only been in office six months” you were saying that was the equivalent of six years of the Nazis and that we should expect death camps in September.

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              Yeah, the schedule is not identical, he might be a few years ahead of schedule for the deportations, but then again his predecessors have already laid the groundwork for that.

              But it’s not a specific schedule that he has to follow.

              I just really don’t like the line of argument that comes up far to often that Trump can’t be the new Hitler because Trump hasn’t transformed the USA into 1945 Nazi Germany on the inauguration day. Neither did Hitler. It took him 5-6 years to start the holocaust and WW2, and even then the biggest atrocities still took a few more years on top of that.

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            No, you can compare it to Hitler.

            But keep to the facts and don’t use a slippery slope fallacy.

            “It will be as bad as the Holocaust” is still different from “It is as bad as the Holocaust”. One of them can be prevented.

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    I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany. This is the only historical point of reference in American discourse. All historical comparisons default back to it because Americans don’t know anything else, not even their own history… like the Japanese Interment camps. Recorded human history is around 10,000 years old and it has everything, but somehow people in this country think there are no historical events or time periods to draw parallels from outside of what happened in central Europe during Hitler’s reign.

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      Unfortunately, the history taught here (at least where I grew up, but I believe it is like this in most parts of the country) is so US-centric and pre-WWII topical that we didn’t learn anything else. I don’t think I learned about the Japanese internment camps until law school and I was in “advanced classes” throughout my pre-university years.

      Of course people would educate themselves outside of class, but there’s a variety of reasons that doesn’t really happen. It’s quite sad and unfortunate we don’t learn about the other atrocities (even those directly caused by the US). I wish it were different.

      Slightly off-topic, but we’re not even taught the realities of our own history that we’re supposedly taught about. Example: the civil war. If you ask many people in certain southern states (and surely some more northern ones too), the reasons they give for the war do not match reality. Or at least they do not come close to telling the whole story. The stranglehold on our education system is bonkers

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      I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany.

      To be fair, all we should need to say is “It’s kind of fucked up to do <fucked up thing being done>” and people should agree and it should stop. Instead, so much of the media and so many propagandized conservatives are just denying it all and making up excuses. Historically, Nazi’s have been universally seen as unequivocally evil so it’s the only comparison that we think might get through.

      Now though… Musk can fucking salute Hitler twice in a row at the presidential inauguration and calling it out is contentious. We’re frankly out of ideas.

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        I mean it’s fine to make comparisons if they’re valid, but Nazi Germany comparisons are literally the only comparisons that I see. I never see these camps being compared to the Russian Gulags or MAGA being compared to the Know Nothings from the 1850s or Trump being compared to Andrew Jackson, and so on. These comparisons are also accurate and valid, and I would argue that they add an element of depth that our discourse severely lacks.

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          Essentially all history education in the US is heavily politicized except for WW2, the only thing Americans could agree on about the last 200 years is that Nazis were bad, and even that is now becoming ‘controversial’, with some schools like in Florida wanting to teach more about “both sides” of the holocaust. There’s a reason my mom really loved the quote “Don’t let school get in the way of your education.”

          The average knowledge of the things you mentioned would be “isn’t Jackson the guy on the $20?” “Weren’t gulags in Siberia or something? What even is a gulag exactly?” And “‘Know Nothings’?? Yeah I literally ‘know nothing’ about that.”

          It’s up to individuals and families to teach their kids actual history, and most parents both work and have little time to teach their kids anything that the schools don’t teach them. And now I see kids leaning history from youtubers, it’s a pretty depressing situation.

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            While I agree with your point that parents should take an active role in teaching their kids history, I also think a lot of adults need to actually spend time educating themselves because they lack basic historical knowledge themselves. A lot of grown adults don’t know why Jackson is on the $20 bill or what the gulags even are. We can’t possibly educate the next generation when the current generation is ignorant. We need to have some sort of shift in our society to emphasize the importance history and historical accuracy because our national discourse is severely lacking in nuance and depth.

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              Definitely, we have been trending further toward anti-intellectualism for a while, not just history but people of all ages need to recognize that learning is a lifelong process, you can’t just graduate high school and be done with it. Things learned in school even ten years ago or less can be outdated, society as a whole is learning more about the past all the time.

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          If you had to compare what’s going on AND our trajectory to a horrible historical event, which would it be and why?

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            The most relevant and accurate historical comparison to Trump is Andrew Jackson. Tell me if any of this about Jackson sounds familiar to you:

            • Andrew Jackson was the first US president to not be one of the founding fathers. He aggressively campaigned as an anti-establishment candidate who would fight for the “common man” and against the corrupt elites… even though he was wealthy himself (though unlike Trump, Jackson was actually self made and came from humble beginnings).

            • He ran for president in 1824 and lost to John Quincy Adams. Instead of accepting his loss, he insisted that the election was rigged and he only lost because of the “corrupt bargain” where Jackson and his supporters believed that the think that congress conspired against them to give Adams the election.

            • He was a very thin skinned man who was known for his volatility and anger. He would often snap and throw temper tantrums when someone says or does something he doesn’t like. He’s notoriously famous for having hundreds of duels during his life time. He’s also known for demonizing any political opponent that crosses him as unpatriotic, corrupt, elitist, unholy, and anti-American.

            • He was extremely loyal to his allies and friends, and rewarded a lot of them with influence and political access. During his presidency he had a scandal that fractured his official cabinet, he started relying heavily on a group of informal advisers, most of whom were his friends or political loyalists. It was so bad that his opponents literally coined the term “Kitchen Cabinet" to criticize the outsized influence his friends and allies held despite lacking official positions.

            • Jackson was extremely patriotic and he fiercely fought for and imposed his version of patriotism, and he often framed things in us vs them mentality. For example, in the 1828 election, he famously said “this election is a contest between an honest patriotism on the on the one side, and an unholy, selfish ambition, on the other”.

            • He was extremely racist. He explicitly hated native Americans as he saw them as savages who obstructed progress (expansion). He also viewed African Americans inferiors, and he was pretty big supporter of slavery. In fact he was a slave owner himself and never questioned the morality of it like his predecessors. To him, this country was for white European settlers and it was to be ruled by exclusively by white men. However, he did support expanding suffrage for all white men instead of just land owning ones, so I guess there’s that.

            • He had a habit of ignoring Supreme Court rulings and doing what he wanted anyway. Famously, he ignored the ruling of the Worcester vs Georgia case in which the Supreme Court determined that the state of Georgia could not impose its laws on the Cherokee nation as it was seen as an independent country. This essentially prohibited settlers from encroaching on their lands. However, Jackson ignored this and not only encroached on their lands, but took it over and deported the entire nation to Oklahoma in an event that became known as the trail of tears.

            • He had a habit of being very hostile to the press when they’re critical of him and very supportive when they praise him. He would often call the editors and journalists against him as corrupt and tools of the political elite who were out to slander him. At the same time, he rewarded very loyal editors and journalists with government contracts and exclusive access.

            • He very famously hated the national bank. He saw the bank as unconstitutional and undemocratic because he thought it favored the rich and was nothing more than a tool for the corrupt elite, and that this power should be devolved down to the states. He also personally hated the idea of paper of money and preferred hard money (like gold and silver) and had a grudge against the president of the national bank at the time because he thought he helped fund his opponents against him. Regardless, he made it’s destruction a populist crusade and he succeeded in dismantling it. When the Federal Reserve was established, they intentionally added Jackson on the $20 bill as a giant fuck you to him and his legacy.

            • By destroying the national bank and drying up federal funds, he directly contributed to the panic of 1837, which was one of the worst economic crises of the time.

            Do you see the similarities? You should because Trump saw Jackson as an inspiration and he even hanged his picture in the Oval Office. I don’t know about you, but this seems like a much more relevant, accurate, and insightful comparison to Trump than Hitler. Hitler and Trump have very little in common as individuals and as leaders. This is why I find it annoying that our discourse has no other point of reference outside of Nazi Germany.

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              Very good list in my opinion and definitely matches my memory from learning about Andrew Jackson in the past.

              I agree that Trump is no Hitler. While by some magic the crowds at his events like him he absolutely isn’t the orator Hitler was among a lot of other differences.

              However I still say the overall party/political movement he is head of is extremely fascist and incorporating a lot of Nazi elements. The flip to that is that the Nazis got a lot of stuff from the USA and the Nazis loved our racist policies in the 30s and our history of doing things like the westward expansion and what that did to the native people.

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    watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war

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      Nazi Germany kinda had to start wars because their spending wasn’t sustainable: they had significant yearly deficits and they were always looking for ways to push forward the day that Germany would become insolvent. They stole the assets of outgroups like the Jewish minority, financially raided the banks, had the treasury print money to pay of debts, implemented price and wage controls to stave off inflation because of printing too much money, … None of it was sustainable in the long term. The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

      And very unfortunate for the world today: the spending by usa republicans isn’t sustainable either + the usa has a very big army. Some people would say that the usa republicans couldn’t possibly be that stupid to rob or invade their peaceful trade partners, but … a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

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        The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

        So what Fat Hitler keeps talking about regarding Greenland and Canada

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        a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

        They aren’t just stupid, many on the right are religiously dedicated to the idea of a judgement day and devastating war between ‘good and evil’. They are convinced ‘God is on their side’. Evangelical Christian fascists have been pushing this for years, it was almost guaranteed to come to direct conflict from the course the US has been on unless there was some kind of intervention long ago.

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      Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.

      He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.

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      💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.

      so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.

      on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. “lebensraum” and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the “inferior” races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.

      so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren’t isolationists.

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        so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived,

        Everything you said was on point but this part I feel is incorrect. Nazi Germany was on the brink of bankruptcy by 1939 because of government overspending, mainly due to rearmament. Hitler felt he had to absolutely invade other countries to pillage the resources and maintain the German economy. People tend to give too much credit to the Nazis but the regime would have totally collapsed on its own if it weren’t for the war delaying the inevitable.

        Hitler and the Nazis aren’t different to any other dictatorships in post-war third world countries. They are bunch of fantasist buffoons. The Nazis only got lucky they went so far because they inherited strong institutions to leech off of, particularly the legacy of the Prussian military-- the army with a state.

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        True. If germany wouldn’t have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now. Europe is lucky in the sense that USA and europe are separated by a big ocean. Otherwise USA politics would have affected europe. Also USA can remain isolated for a long time. And this makes it dangerous for people living there. Because europe and other countries cannot force USA to change its internal rules or cannot advise USA about its internal affairs.

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          If germany wouldn’t have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now.

          They definitely won’t survive until now. Little known fact that most people are unaware of post-war is that Nazi Germany was on brink of another economic collapse in 1939 because of excessive government spending. The pillage of resources from their conquered territories gave them small injection of wealth to keep themselves going for a while. Even if Nazi Germany went fully isolationist and engaged in limited war (which I think is even impossible), eventually their poor policies will cause their own demise.

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        ngl i was kinda hoping you’d say my statement is bull and germany wouldve been wiped out anyways regardless of starting a war lol (: i hate this timeline ;-;

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          I’m sorry 🫂 there’s not always a happy ending. the genocide of Native Americans, for example.

          take care of yourself, and take care of your trans and migrant siblings. that’s all we can really do, but maybe it’s enough. ❤️

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            Just saying, they will fall apart without dear leader. Nobody else in his camp can rile up the people like he does. And half of his camp still hates him, but has fallen in line. But time is of the essence here. The longer you wait the worse it will get. If you wait for old age to do the job, the damage done might be too great.

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              Nobody else in his camp can rile up the people like he does.

              That’s what they said about Kim Il Sung. Few thought Kim Jong Il would be able to take his place. Now we’re on our 3rd generation. I think there’s enough hate whipped up, they’ll follow anyone that lets them take it out on the vulnerable

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      Go fuck yourself I have been and will continue to do what little I can to fight this and I am not remotely complicit

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        Imagine what a person in one of those cages would want to do if they weren’t in those cages.

        We need to do what’s right.

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    one difference is the camps of the nazi are concrete and robust structures, the trump ones are cheap half assed temporary buildings or tents. especially with hurricane they are susceptible to wiped off of florida.

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      I think that’s by design, no need for gas chambers when you can just tee up mother nature.

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    Until there is legitimate, sustained, and effective opposition to this Alligator Auschwitz, the rest of the world sees it as American as apple pie and school shootings.

    It’s speed running to the wrong side of history.

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      When has America been on the ‘right side of history’? It’s been humanity’s bully ever since WW2, and before that they murdered and displaced the locals. I see this as nothing more than an expression of the well known Anglo-Saxon (read: Germanic) MO/ideology. Idk what’s up with them, honestly, but you can count on a majority of them to choose murder and pillage before morals, peace and self-restraint.

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        The US has been on the losing side of every major military conflict they’ve been involved in since 1945, their current leaders believe that streak dates back to 1865.

        2025 is bang on with that cadence.

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      Apple pie isn’t American, it’s origin is in England and the European mainland afterwards.

      School shootings are American and they can keep those.

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    They’re definitely concentration camps but I don’t think this is a good way to draw the comparison, you could easily do the same side by side with FEMA camps (temporary housing) after a natural disaster. Something that the conspiracy oriented people have been doing for a long while.

    Let’s have a close up of it as a comparison, not just one of the roofs. There’s just better ways to do this.

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      definitions:

      • prisons hold prisoners accused or convicted of crimes. the big difference between prisons and concentration camps is scale and homogeneity - camps are bigger and have one kind of prisoner.

      • gulags hold political prisoners but aren’t as big as concentration camps. kinda Soviet-specific.

      • reeducation camps hold masses of political prisoners with the goal of indoctrinating them with some ideology. the Xinjiang camps for the Uighurs are an example.

      • concentration camps are mass prisons for political prisoners - usually prisoners of war or ethnic minorities. most Nazi camps, along with the Japanese internment camps, were concentration camps.

      • death camps are concentration camps used for mass murder/genocide. Auschwitz was the major Nazi death camp for the Holocaust, though there were a few others.

      • refugee camps are mass temporary shelters. you’re allowed to leave. FEMA camps and various UN camps are good examples.

      Alligator Auschwitz is a concentration camp because it’s 1) massive, 2) full of the same type of prisoner (ethnic minority migrants), 3) who can’t leave. it’s not yet a death camp, but most Nazi camps weren’t death camps (they centralized that!)

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        I mean thanks for the information that I already knew. I don’t quite understand the point of your comment though cause we agree on this, that it’s a concentration camp.

        Edit: I was talking about using aerial photos for the comparison being bad not comparing the current concentration camp that was just built in Florida to other concentration camps being bad. In case that’s your misunderstanding of what I was talking about.

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      there’s videos of the inside, which is rows and rows of cots of three in a stack, separated by chain link fencing, no amenities or windows, posted gleefully by people like Benny Johnson (who is a Maga psycho)

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        Yeah I saw the video and pictures a little bit after I commented and I think taking that kind of thing and putting it side by side with Auschwitz is a much better side by side.

        Also it’s cots of 2, just normal bunk beds, not 3. 3 was what it was like down in El Salvador. Not that that matters much but yeah.

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    Anyone who believes this can be stopped through any means other than revolt is either a fool or a liar. Take up arms, organize with your community, and fight back.

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        If you mean everyone who voted for Trump, it was closer to 1/3 of the population. Some of those were merely ignorant, and they can be saved through a system of re-education camps after the revolution.

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      i see this posted a lot. so why don’t you go do it yourself? i know why: because you KNOW that taking up arms and attacking ICE will make Trump send his army at you to kill you, and all this will accomplish is make you a martyr they can use in propaganda OR ignite a full on civil war. i am tired of seeing this post. stop encouraging people to do things that YOU YOURSELF find unreasonable to do. and if you find it reasonable, than put up and shut up and stop fucking posting about it to look cool. we’ll see you on the news.

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        How do you know people posting that aren’t doing it? It already is ignited, it’s at a low burn, only because people aren’t fighting back en masse yet, but in some places there is resistance going on. I agree though, “don’t speak about it, be about it”.

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        I went out, got a permit to purchase, and bought a gun plus ammo shortly after Trump was elected. I have been prompting friends and others to do the same, organizing who I can to the cause. I am no fool, one man with a gun can’t solve this, nor do I believe myself to be some great revolutionary leader who will lead the nation into the future. So, instead, I promote the cause, I continue to try to organize and prepare for the eventual war that is to come, and remind people like You that You have done nothing and continue to do nothing. You can change that, the revolution does not only need fighters, but those willing to spread the message of rebellion, and those willing to do what they can to support the cause. Stand with us, or stand aside.

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          having fun fellating yourself on top of your high horse on the Internet? sorry, but it is not every persons responsibility to play morality police and risk their lives to defend other people. condemning people for not fighting is fucking asinine and not something ANY person is obligated to do and I’m tired of people acting like it is

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            It’s not anyones responsibility to risk their lives, I wouldn’t blame anyone for not standing up against the Nazis in 1938 Germany, but in light of what we know, it’s becoming more and more impossible to maintain a clear conscience without fighting back.

            I don’t see it as ‘condemning’ someone for not doing more, just a belief that anyone capable should do more and they will likely feel regret if they don’t.

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            Nah, we are, we are. We can just be too cowardly to do it (God knows I would be if I were in the same position). And lying about it, even if you’ve also lied to yourself, is a bit shameful.

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        ignite a full on civil war

        It’s already a civil war.

        Don’t mistake me I basically agree with everything your saying, but make no mistake we are Germany in the '30s, whatever you are doing is what you would have done then.

        We’re all on the internet talking tough about it while the camps are being built…

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          we constantly ignore atrocities as a species. it is not new. it is not every persons responsibility to play morality police and risk their lives to defend other people. people were not evil just because they DIDN’T fight the nazis. fighting FOR the nazis? yes. but condemning people for not fighting is fucking asinine and not something ANY person is obligated to do and I’m tired of people acting like it is

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          I bought a gun, I bought ammo, I have encouraged friends to do the same and taken them out to learn how to use a firearm, as many of them had never done so before. We are organizing, we are preparing, we are waiting for the moment the first shot is fired to rise.

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            Step 2 is organizing, spreading the word of revolution. We are in the “pamphlet” phase if you will, when it is most important to spread the word of the revolution, to gather support and to encourage others to form their own militias and organize with their communities. To jump straight to violence when you have no one to support you is merely suicide, plans must be made, supporters brought in, and then the match can be lit.

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        I only drink my coffee black, though.

        Plus, I’m just stating scientific facts that I know no one likes anymore. PVC-coated polyester, canvas, and nylon are all more flammable than concrete, and it’s the 4th of July weekend and Florida LOVES freedom sky lights.