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This thread is going so “it’s bad to call for the genocide of israel” i had to re-read the meme.
It says “expell israelis to europe”… it doesn’t say “kill’em all”, wtf is wrong with this thread? Or am i missing something?And no, a one state solution is not possible, as shown after over 70 years. Unless that state was to be ruled and controlled by the UN and all other military forces completely dismantled - so, not gonna happen.
It would be slightly less unrealistic if the UN was to enforce the Green Line, ensuring the West Bank and Gaza are entirely in control of Palestinians.Both fail 'cos the UN has no teeth.
Full embargo on israel, especially on weapons, could work, but, again, hypocrites of this world won’t let it happen.
There you go again, connecting Israelis to mean all jews.
There’s no undo button here. You can’t ungenocide by genocide, you can’t ungay a gay and you can’t unvote Trump. We can move only forward
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I have never, ever heard of someone calling for the deportation of Israelis. I think anyone who wants that was probably anti-semitic already and has taken the objectively horrific actions of the IDF as a reason to hate Jewish people in general.
As long as:
Stolen land is given back, and criminals prosecuted,
Sure.
You want to prosecute criminals responsible for an insane amount of death? Believe it or not, anti-Semitic.
You want justice for people whose lives have been systematically destroyed over 70+ years? Believe it or not, anti-Semitic.
This guy actually believes he’s being brilliant suggesting a one state solution but is that really for the benefit for the Palestinian people? Or is it to further push save Israel agenda since everyone can now see their true nature.
So I, a jew who has never even been to Israel, who’s ancestors left centuries ago, am responsible for the state of Israel in any fucking way?
Jewish does not mean Israeli… At all.
With climate change picking up the pace in the last few years, not sure how much longer this area will even be inhabitable.
I mean sure. Don’t me a racist bigot. Of course.
But let’s not pretend that religion isn’t fueling the atrocities being committed on both sides of the conflict.
Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived in that area together for hundreds of years. This is a political conflict. The fucking Israeli settlers are psychopaths who roll into towns and start setting things on fire. It’s about territory, like all colonialist aggression.
Just gonna leave this here…
This map is extremely misleading. The green areas shows very different things in each map.
- 1946: White is land privately owned by Jews. Green is mostly state owned land, so owned by the British empire, including the huge and mostly uninhabited Negev desert. Green contains land privately owned by local Palestinian Arabs, Druze, or foreign landlords in e.g. Damascus and Cairo.
- 1947 UN partition plan. White is the planned area for the Jewish state, including the empty Negev in the south. Green is the planned Arab state. Under this plan nobody would have had to leave their home. There would be remaining minorities in both. It was accepted by the Zionists, but rejected by the Arabs and Palestinians.
- 1949-1967: White is Israel. The green West Bank is annexed by Jordan. Green Gaza is occupied by Egypt. There is no Palestinian self rule. Arabs refuse to recognize Israel as a state. The green line of the ceasefire is explicitly not a border.
- 2000 Oslo accords: For the first time in history Palestinians have self rule in green areas A and B in Gaza and the West Bank. There are still to this day lots of Palestinians/Arabs with Israeli citizenship that live in Israel and own the same land they owned in 1946.
Religion does have a nonzero influence, but you’re correct in that this is primarily a political conflict. Zionists murder Muslim and Christian Palestinians alike, and Fatah, a secular resistance movement, was the leading org of the Palestinian side for the longest time.
Okay, so by “Zionists” are you referring exclusively to members of the Israeli government or might there perhaps be a broader ideology at play here? The meme reeks of a Bernie Sanders-esqe “Netanyahu is the problem” kind of narrative.
I don’t care where they go, just leave the fucking indigenous people alone.
Okay, so by “Zionists” are you referring exclusively to members of the Israeli government or might there perhaps be a broader ideology at play here?
There’s a broader ideology at play here that is very deeply engrained in Israeli society.
The meme reeks of a Bernie Sanders-esqe “Netanyahu is the problem” kind of narrative.
Sanders is a politician, not a polisci professor. Politicians say what they think will get them closer to the solutions they think they can achieve, not necessarily what is objectively correct. “We need to get rid of the worst of the genociders who has sparked the current wave of genocide, and condemning 70% of Israeli society, however correctly, will not give us the allies we need to reduce the current stage of the genocide and move to the next step of a just and lasting peace” kind of thinking - Sanders has long been a radical, by US standards, voice in support of the Palestinian cause. Thinking that him focusing on the most immediate enemy is condemnation worthy is blinkered at best.
I don’t care where they go, just leave the fucking indigenous people alone.
… do you care if Israelis in Israeli-majority areas recognized by international law as part of the state of Israel remain in Israel, where many of them were born and raised?
Religion isn’t fueling it, it is just used as moral justification from both sides. If religion didn’t exist the same thing would happen, but with a different form of moral justification.
I think you’re wrong about religion. You’re trying to say that religion is used as justification afterwards, but we know that real numbers of religious nuts will endorse horrible things because of their religious beliefs.
In other words, would there be less violence occurring in that region if nobody had any religious beliefs? I think the answer has to be “probably yes”. We know this by talking to people, by looking at religious zealots throughout history. But even if our logic is correct, we cannot accurately guess how much less violence would be occurring if the region were full of atheists.
And in some sense our counterfactual thought experiment doesn’t even matter because the reality is that region is of great religious significance and you can’t really write that off as being irrelevant when several millennia prove that it is.
It’s a ton of racism too. Darker skinned Jews get all sorts of discrimination, it’s just not as extreme as someone who is Palestinian.
This is what I said and then someone blew up in my face about it when I said this in another thread/post. Why are people so hard headed when it comes to accepting reality I wonder.
If it wasn’t religion it would be race or ideology or language or eye color. You could press a button and eliminate religion from history and all of these problems would still exist.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
Should nazis have been integrated into post-ww2 solution?
Zionism is similarly a genocidal fascist ideology. If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes. That’s extremely generous. I don’t know what else you would expect.
Should nazis have been integrated into post-ww2 solution?
… fucking what
Is this some Morgenthau Plan insanity that I’m not genocidal enough to understand?
If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes.
Oh, great, more ‘Go back where you came from!’ racism. Blut und boden. It seems the only thing that separates you from literal fucking Nazis is what team colors you wear.
Do you think nazis should have stayed in poland and become part of the one-state government? Why or why not?
I’m talking about nazis, not ethnically german poles. Can you understand the difference?
I’m talking about nazis, not ethnically german poles. Can you understand the difference?
Considering that you came in on a post saying that Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution, and asking people not to be antisemitic?
I’m not sure that you understand the difference. Or much of anything, for that matter.
Yeah that’s part of why the post is bullshit. It’s the flattening of a culture without any nuance. It’s anti-semitic.
I can easily tell the difference between a fascist and regular person. I know a few israelis. The zios are racist creeps. Those who resist are brave refugees who’ve had to flee zio death threats and prison.
Keep dodging the question tho.
Yeah that’s part of why the post is bullshit.
The post is bullshit because… you’re incapable of differentiating between individuals of a particular ethnicity and political allegiance to fascist and genocidal movements?
What?
I can easily tell the difference between a fascist and regular person. I know a few israelis. The zios are racist creeps. Those who resist are brave refugees who’ve had to flee zio death threats and prison.
Are you… talking to yourself right now or something? What does this have to do with the topic?
Keep dodging the question tho.
“Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution instead of a racist Zionist state. Please don’t peddle antisemitic claptrap about sending them ‘back where they came from’ because their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents came from Europe. That’s insanely racist.”
“OH, so you would allow the NAZIS to be part of POLAND’S government???”
I’m beginning to think you’re suffering from a legitimate mental illness, because you very consistently start with these bizarre tangents and get weirder and less relevant with each comment.
“OH, so you would allow the NAZIS to be part of POLAND’S government???”
So no. You’re not. You must be racist against german people?
Get help, buddy.
I get the sentiment and I’d agree, but it would be so much easier if not over half the Israeli population is now supporting a genocide. You think they know better, of all people
Yeah, Israeli public opinion is not helping any moral or sane cause. But that’s still no reason for those few human beings on this planet who are still sane to embrace racism.
Shit can I get expelled back to Britain? They got their own problems but fuck, my family is in the domesday book, can I go back?
