“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser
This motherfucker is half the reason we’re in the position we’re in. How many whistleblowers and journalists did he prosecute?
We see you
Yup.
Dubba’s third and fourth term.
It’s kinda ironic, I don’t know whether this reflects how the guy actually thought about his presidency, but when he was in office there was a lot of chatter about the kind of “legacy” his administration would have. I’m fairly certain now that he’s gonna be one of those overlooked presidents, seen as a caretaker-administration to all the shit started by GW Bush and a preamble to a lot of what Trump has ran wild with.
Maybe the history books also mention he passed a healthcare bill inspired by the Heritage Foundation and insurance lobbyists.
Sorta off topic, but ive been playing the game We Happy Few recently, and I want so badly for them to make an America DLC where you grow up going through American public school and being taught you live in the greatest nation on earth, then you stop taking your Joy and the disillusionment sets in.
Cuz the man who gave up Universal Healthcare to give us fucking Romneycare while having total control of the govt really knows how to play hardball.
I don’t like Obama much - his drone strikes and war-hawkish policy nor bailing out the banks when he had them over a barrel, but i’m tired of this bullshit narrative.
House control: yes, no question.
Senate control: barely.
Obama would not have even been able to pass his bank
robbery‘stimulus’ without three Republicans crossing the aisle to vote for it in early 2009. Yes, very much a man with ‘total control’ of the government…Obama had just 4 months with senate control, and that whole time it was on a knife edge. 60 (of 100) votes are needed to bring legislation to the floor to even be voted on without filibuster. So for ‘total control’ a party needs 60 seats/votes in the senate. The dems had 57 in Jan 2009 at the start of Obama’s congress, with 2 independents (Bernie and Joe Liebermann) who caucused with them, taking them to 59. Republicans had 41.
That 59 included Ted Kennedy whom had a seizure during an Inauguration lunch of Obama’s (he was privately dying of brain cancer) and he never returned to vote in the senate - dropping the number to 58. Also, Al Franken was not seated until july due to a very close election in his seat and multiple recounts - until then the number was 57.
Long story short by September 24th they finally had 60 seats… But democrats are not a monolith. Just as there are Manchins and Sinemas and other ‘Democrats’ in recent memory that are barely left of Ted Cruz, there were several of similar ilk back then like Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Ben Nelson - and their independent caucus member Joe Lieberman, mentioned earlier - who all fought against much of Obama’s legislation, for example with respect to Obamacare they quashed any chance of a public option and single payer.
So did he have control: technically, briefly. Could Obama just run through any legislation he wanted during that time? Absolutely fucking not.
Right… and what are the current republican majorities?
This narrative is frankly anything but bullshit.
Most of the problem ‘legislation’ being passed at present are executive orders from the president & bullshit decisions from the supreme court. Nothing to do with the senate.
Trump isn’t passing anything through the senate that hasn’t had heavy concessions to the Democrats and independents.
What’s got you confused?
What are you talking about?
Please name one concession given to Democrats on the “Big Beautiful Bill”, you know the one that accomplishes the Republicans real priorities of taxes cuts for the super wealthy, taking healthcare away from people, and giving ICE insane amounts of money at the expense of literally everyone else.
Obama the “war hawk” who just watched as Russia strolled into Crimea
He’s a fucking coward. First time in my lifetime that Democrats had a 60-40 majority, and he totally compromised.
The audacity of hope through the governing of what’s possible.
says the asshole who started the drone war in Yemen
says the asshole who let McConnell and the GOP steal his supreme court seat
Is the Hope and Change guy back again?
Haven’t seen him since Jan 21, 2009
This is one of those platitudes that is too vague to be of any real value.
It’s like telling someone to be confident. “Just figure out what you need to do and do that thing!”
It’s a bitch-ass move. He needs to be calling out fascist pigs by name.
Yeah - the centrists and neoliberals will take this to mean “do more centrist and neoliberal things”; progressives will take this to mean “do more progressive things”; the DNC will take this to mean “give more money to centrist and neoliberal consultants and ignore what people are actually saying”. Not helpful in any sense.
So, in an unironic, but still very sarcastic and disappointed sense: thanks Obama 😒
Seriously, maybe tell the Democratic leadership to pull their head out of their ass and listen to people - as you did back in 07-08, which carried you to victory. And then gasp follow through on what they say, up to and including taking a page out of the GOP playbook - just do things that are helpful to normal people and say “fuck you, make me” when centrists and republicans try to stop you. We now have an imperial presidency, after all, so why not try to use it to do some good when (or if 😓) non-fascists get into power again.
This is exactly it. Unless we get really specific, this shit is more of the same middling platitudes, and different audiences will only hear what they want to hear. Seriously disappointing, and not at all helpful.
Ex-politicians like Obama (but not just him) need to shut the hell up unless they have PRACTICAL ideas that we can use. Someone like Obama should understand that his words have gravitas (love your username btw, fellow Banks fan I presume?), but his rhetoric goes straight in the garbage unless it’s backed by actionable ideas.
coming from the guy who helped to pay the way into trumpism… yeah they should “toughen up” but it should’ve come already in his tenure.
Literally the guy who said “we need to look forward, not backward” when it came to prosecuting the Bush admin for fucking war crimes of all things and then expanded, codified, and legalized the mass surveillance and the drone wars… Which are now all being used against US citizens.
Yeah, that’ll get the neoliberals fired up. Jesus Christ.
I don’t think we need to hear from the Signature Strike, Surveilance State, and gross expansion of executive power guy right now
Obama, just like the Republican Party is no more under Trump, the Democratic party is no more under Pelosi and Schumer.
There is no true two party anymore. There’s simply the fascists and the enablers.
That is rich coming from him.
Half your base cries when adults talk too loud. You indulged and nurtured a base to be incapable of resisting the DNC leadership and in doing denied them the skillset needed to be tough enough to fight. You coddled the entire left and stunted their development and now you need fighters that don’t exist. Why were you not promoting toughness before it became apparent that’s what you now need? Oh right, because you’d offend and lose your voting base if you had told them to toughen up years ago…
Jesus. You know it’s bad when even a spineless centrist like Obama is calling them on their shit.
“Stop whining and Vote Blue No Matter Who”
“Great, I’m voting for Mamdani for Mayor”
“WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Not like that!”
Exactly like that. Quit your bitching and vote for Mamdani.
Mandani 2028
He can’t, he wasn’t born in the US.
During the Reagan administration, Obama would have been Republican.
I don’t really remember Obama as spineless lol what is he spineless about?
Look he’s a politician they suck but acting like Obama wasn’t one of the best presidents we had in like 40 years is silly.
Goldman nutsSachs
Bailing out the bank?
I personally believe the financial system in America is the core of corruption. I also know that corruption is why America has any standard of value. Not saying it’s right, just the truth.
In that situation, you just let the boat sink? Because morally it’s wrong? We like to pretend there would be no blowback from letting that happen but there would be and not in a good way. So he did what everyone else does, kick the can down the road. What do you do in that instance? Let it die and watch your economy shit the bed because you don’t like it or something?
You guys are such idealists man c’mon. This is why progressives don’t exist in America.
No no. He came in with a latex spine. Take a look at his cabinet. He did the job rather well but change was never going to come with that group.
Your economic false dichotomy is funny though. There were a whole range of options like nationalization and criminal charges for executives that did not get explored because centrism.
Hindsight is 20/20.
But no. There was no criminal charges afoot this is why I’m calling y’all idealists. Do you think this country is or was or is going to be clean enough to do any of that, ever?
Maybe if you do some shady shit too to get it done. But by the book as you’re suggesting? No fuckin way.
He did run on “change”. What’s your point? Mindless centrism is realistic? Mine is Obama didn’t get much done, his greatest legacy is the ACA and that is being undone as we speak because of his failures elsewhere.
Runs a parallel to Biden doing alright generally but completely failing on Merrick Garland negating everything else he did.
Mindless centrism is realistic
Unfortunately kinda yes. Ever had to make choices for a lot of people?? Usually the middle ground is where you’ll land.
Honestly I don’t agree at all. I think Obama’s greatest criticism is how he handled Russia/Georgia. But again that’s a tough call, you gonna drag America into a second theater of war when everyone is already mad about the first one and calling you a warmonger for literally no reason.
I just don’t think he’s made such awful decisions as you all are pushing.
Yes you let the boat sink because what they did after being bailed out was simply take everyone’s homes for free.
Fuck centrists and capitalist bootlickers.
Then go make it happen? Why can’t you?
Cause an entire apparatus is in the way? Go break it then why can’t you?
Because it’s designed to crush resistance at every turn with a monopoly on violence?
So what do you do besides cry online and accuse people of things they’re not you fuckin dolt.
If you’re this pissed cause I said Obama is a good president when placed beside contemporaries. You’re the bozo.
“when placed beside contemporaries”
Alao, it seems like you responded to the wrong person
I didn’t respond to the wrong person. My point is fantasy, ideals and desires are nice. But then apply reality.
Just say you’re a conservative and go. “Progressives” like you are such cowards. You’re so eager to slobber over politicians’ boots and make up excuses for why they can’t do anything good. I wish I could at least believe the DNC was paying you off, but I was one of you once, so I know full well you’ve just drunk the neoliberal Kool-Aid that hard. The people ready to jump down leftists’ throats with “um, ackshually, it’s physically impossible to do better than center-right austerity and authoritarianism” whenever we speak up have far more to do with why leftists have no power than any leftist “idealism.” Throughout history, it’s always been the lunatic radicals who made actual change, while the craven moderates fought them tooth and nail to preserve the intolerable status quo. Ever notice how conservatives are utterly unrestrained by all the things liberals insist are holding them back from making change? When MAGA wants something, they get it, no matter how unreasonable or flat-out absurd it is. But when the Democrats’ base demands better of them, they wring their hands and lament how gosh golly gee, they’d love to make things better, but they can’t because something something civility something something norms. If progressives fought like conservatives, we’d have fucking fully automated luxury gay space communism by now.
Literally a socialist. Nice try.
No you aren’t lmao
Okay sure you know me best I guess?
My friend, you could have called us “idealists” back then, but now you’re just fooling yourself. Hillary and Harris lost. They lost, your agenda lost, your agenda failed. But somehow you have the gall to accuse us of being “idealists” when your own ideals keep losing in the polls.
Why don’t we try something good, something that would actually benefit the people? Maybe that would actually work.
What would have happened if the finance industry had to regulate? Ask the history books. It has been done in the distant past, successfully, several times. And of course in other countries more recently, also successfully. It turns out that we can stop ultra rich from getting richer, but only if we have the courage to try. Maybe someday you will find it.
My agenda? The fuck?
You’re absolutely idealist. You think back then and now someone can march in and slap a new world that YOU like for everyone. Fuckin goobers.
I’m a socialist you bozo. None of this is what I want. But there’s a reason even if you got Sanders or the most socialist socialist on there they wouldn’t come out as you imagine. Hindsight is 20/20, no policy passed will ever ONLY help and inevitably the baby crushing machine will never not be running. So what do you do?
None of you are treating this like reality. You’re in his shoes. The country is handed to you. You pull out of the middle east, bust in new socialist policies and deflate military spending to fund them? Force affordable housing and open immigration?
Now you lost political influence on oil prices, your policies are hated because whether they work or not people are dumb and angry you changed stuff and you dropped military spending so now the military industrial complex is mad and pays politicians and judges to fight you every step of the way. Good job you got nothing done you’re worse than Obama.
It’s easy to talk shit. No solution will come of it, not even a worthy consideration. Obama had to manage the largest ship in history while it went through some bullshit and he’s black and accused of insane theories like he’s piloting the drones himself and laughing as he blows up children.
C’mon man ffs
Bailouts, not ending the wars, gave up his SCOTUS pick without even the slightest hint of a fight.
You seriously don’t remember when Obama went the pro-corporate road at the expense of the American people, or even the globe itself? Really?
The Affordable Care Act. The bailout. The housing bubble collapse. The drone strikes. Letting the courts get stacked. The continued wars in Iraq and Afghanistan… My god, that’s like every major issue, isn’t it?
Of course he wasn’t alone. I’m not blaming him as the only person responsible. But he was responsible, he was a lackluster president at best, and he spent eight years pushing the country towards where it is right now. Millions of us were saying that at the time, and we still are today. If you weren’t listening, that’s your own fault. If you didn’t believe us, that’s your own fault.
Every politician is pro corporate? That’s how they have any money or political pull ever really.
A bail out and a collapse he didn’t orchestrate? Drone strikes in a war he didn’t start? Court stacking?
Your opinion of the world is very shallow, if you think he can wave his magic dick around to solve all this you’re crazy. Pulling out sounds easy but ask your father it takes strategy and the middle east we pulled out of under Biden was different than the one under Obama or the one under Bush.
You’re literally saying what I’m saying. Obama is literally lackluster and that’s half of why he’s the best we’ve had in 70 years or more for fuck sake. He’s a man, he’s not God and he definitely isn’t a pedophile or a grifter and he TRIED for things.
Weird Trump seems to get to do whatever he wants
And is that right? You like that I’m understanding?
Yes, the democrats need to fight as hard as the Republicans do, look at FDR for an example on how to lead by example and win year after year after year. Republicans had to institute term limits because of how popular FDRs policies were with the American people, and guess what? He didn’t play by the decorum rules.
But on the other side of that each time that happens it furthers the power pulling.
FDR whether he knew or not lead to Nixon and Trump. Not saying it’s the wrong choice I’m just saying I personally don’t think it’s the right one.
It’s like a fight. Once someone introduced a gun or knife the situation gets very serious
Remember how he ran on hope and change? How he presented himself as a progressive? Then how he failed to close Guantanamo, never even tried to codify abortion rights, didn’t bother prosecuting the Bush administration for their war crimes, did a bunch of war crimes himself, and expanded the surveillance state? Because I do.
And like the other commenter said, he completely capitulated to the Republicans when they invented some bullshit about how outgoing presidents aren’t supposed to appoint justices or whatever.
And he accepted an award for transparency in a “closed” meeting so attendees wouldn’t have to sign in.
Killed two Americans in Pakistan with no due process.
Expanded the wars to six nations.
I think what you call spineless I’d consider being a decent politician in an indecent politician sphere
Obama isn’t without criticism but calling him a war criminal is a bit of an eye roll in my opinion. It’s usually about the drone warfare stuff and it is a drum the Republicans banged his entire presidency claiming he was drone striking everything possible. The truth is drone tech advanced in his presidency that allowed different missions to take place that removed soldiers from harms way, you’d probably make the same choice. It wasn’t even his war, say we should’ve pulled out sure but look how poorly things are going now that we have. The war crimes he’s accused of are dogpoop compared to the human rights issue that exists now. I’m sorry, I don’t think it is the greatest things anyone has done but I just find the Obama is a war criminal argument so silly. Our entire government is a war criminal, this dude was not a warmonger nor did he do anything to escalate fighting. How you gonna dump it all on him?
Prosecuting Bush. For what? War crimes again? Our government has been doing war crimes forever. Every single person in that federal government should be charged. But Obama isn’t going to arrest Bush because nothing would’ve come of it and again, on what exactly? Every judge, lawyer and politician wouldn’t support that or respect whatever exactly the war crime was. So why pursue that? So redditors and Facebook dads have less shit to throw?
I’m not saying Obama is the best. Absolutely do not try to act like I have to be completely black or white about very complex issues. You will not put that on me.
But acting like Obama is the boogie man is literally because Republicans and the like have sold that messaging. Obama is a mid politician, I don’t think he relishes in human suffering but he seems okay with a degree of it. But he was easily better than Trump, Biden, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, the Nixon baboons, Kennedy and Eisenhower. Carter is the only one who is a better man by a landslide but still not the best politician because he was also “spineless”. People only liked Kennedy because he was a liberal who was assassinated. You wanna talk about war crimes? Look up Nixon/Kennedy era.
So yes. Obama is easily without contest best president of my lifetime and over the last 60 or 70 years.
Be real about this stuff.
A lot of these people would call Jesus a centrist. Their mythical ideal progressive will never exist.
Lol 100%. Liberals, the left, progressives whatever you wanna call them die because one criticism and folks act like they’re basically Hitler or something.
Crabs in a bucket
I’ll take crabs in a bucket if you’ll take humans with your heads crammed up republican rears. Deal?
Like as a country? Yes. That’s exactly what’s wrong with America and why Obama was unable to get things done as most of this entire comment section believes.
If you’re talking about me, what are you even talking about? Unable to have genuine conversation about history and politics? Not everything is 100 or 0 and the world isn’t black and white, the orphan killing machine will literally never stop running. There will always be awful things you can’t act like a president is going to be the ideal perfect candidate. We have to be able to speak honestly about it and calling Obama a warmonger just really isn’t true.
Liberals and Leftists aren’t the same.
LMFAO how is that your take away?
“The worst thing for a (liberal/socialist/leftist/progressive) is another (aforementioned word here)”
That’s the famous quote. Progress dies because everyone nitpicks it to deal. Obama wasn’t perfect therefore he is Hitler, that is what people think of this as.
In North America, they call leftists liberals & don’t split hairs like Europe & Latin America.
In Europe and Latin America, liberalism means a moderate form of classical liberalism and includes both conservative liberalism (centre-right liberalism) and social liberalism (centre-left liberalism). In North America, liberalism almost exclusively refers to social liberalism.
People in the US get seriously confused that the Liberal party in the other countries (eg, Australia) isn’t liberal.
Bad things in the past don’t justify future bad actions. Using that exact same logic it can be argued that opening a concentration camp in Florida is totally good and cool because we had Japanese concentration camps before. That’s fucking stupid and you know it.
What are you talking about exactly? The war?
Obama isn’t without criticism but calling him a war criminal is a bit of an eye roll in my opinion.
Prosecuting Bush. For what? War crimes again? Our government has been doing war crimes forever.
Lol I don’t think you understand and I don’t really understand what you’re talking about.
Nothing what you’re reading is being said. What is being said is what war crime did Bush do that Obama could’ve even gone after him for without tanking his own political position and also absolutely getting nowhere. Do you think after Nixon any president will face true legal repercussions? On top of that, dunno how old you are, but Bush’s whole presidency he was somehow seen as almost a little kid. He would goof, shrug say aw shucks and people would laugh and move on. In no universe I can imagine is Obama getting that guy prosecuted at all.
On top of that, aside from that. I don’t think Obama did any war crime. I think people who say that are genuinely uninformed or stupid. That’s a Republican fox news adjacent Joe Rogan ass take on Obama’s military practices.
Bush has far more casualties, Trump removed the ability to see how much he was drone striking and also illegal used drone strikes against Congress approval.
You’re not removing the military industrial complex from America, Obama is not going to be able to stop the war or solve anything really and that is clear in his handling of the situation. They attempted to train up a local force to hold peace which didn’t work and they pulled from aggressive military campaigning to drone strikes and policing. Where’s the war crime?
The last theater of war we engaged in (the cold war). They’re napalming folks by the gallon, slaying babies in Vietnam, overthrowing governments galore and attempting to assassinate De Gaulle, Castro and whoever else they don’t like.
Obama appears on the scene after all of this. After the CIA has gone rogue and the military industrial complex is both the heart and lungs of your economy. The war is already happening and your predecessors has made a lot of enemies for you. The fuck do YOU do in that instance? Really put yourself there don’t give me some crap liberal socialist answer. I’m a socialist myself, ain’t no fuckin way the world is letting me do what I wish to America in his shoes.
Are you seriously saying since other people commited war-crimes, that Obama’s war-crimes are no big deal?
I’m gonna hard disagree on this one: Bombing children is always a big deal. He didn’t “remove soldiers from harms way”, he deliberately put them there. And for what? Mostly, to help his friends make a whole lotta money.
Just because the Republicans are a horrid party does not mean that they are wrong about Obama being a monster. Both can be true at the same time.
Well to be quite frank with you. The US didn’t ratify the literal protocols that talk about protecting victims of conflict. So in all legal senses, they didn’t by their own metric. So if you obey the legal system, which I personally don’t entirely embrace, no he didn’t at all by American legal definitions. Sorry.
Now do I think the military is shitty and does shit? Yes. They’re literally a monopoly on violence. If not them, then someone else would be. They’re dogs of the state. I would never work for a state in the realm of harming people I think it’s disgusting but the world isn’t mine to control and some people are out there to hurt you. So what do you do?
Now this drone shit is fuckin dumb because is Obama flying these drones himself and plotting out missions to target the most civilians and innocent he can? Is he googling a list of brown kids to blow p? No. He’s listening to his staff and generals and making decisions often with the idea of civilian lives in harms way. Don’t believe me?
I think it’s roughly 200,000 folks died in the middle east fighting since 2001 to 2023 when they left. That’s 20 years. 10k a year average but I’m sure it’s not steady or consistent. Afghanistan and Iraq I believe both have a population of 45million roughly so 80million. That’s 10k deaths a year per 80 million folks.
In Ukraine alone it’s estimated it’s estimated to be 70,000. In three years. Population 38million.
In Palestine it’s believed to be upwards of 58,000. In two years. Population 5million.
Those are the numbers. So what do you make of it?
You’re gonna say war shouldn’t happen. Yeah I fuckin agree but the truth is America is at war. And pulling out isn’t really the option you imagine it doesn’t just end there. They always really weren’t bombing like it is perceived, effort was made to reduce casualties on both sides and stability in the area was better with American presence.
It’s so easy to piss and shit and pick other people apart but I know you would’ve done a more shit job. Acting like Obama is the antichrist is fuckin goofy. It’s why we have Trump. It’s why we don’t get progressives because one shows the smallest sign of it and y’all act like they’re the devil if they make any errors. Y’all are eating Republican talking points.
Well, since we didn’t sign papers saying that bombing children and other innocent people was a bad thing, then I guess it all can be forgiven. I guess we’ll call it a “big oopsie woopsie” instead.
He literally bragged about how good he was at killing people. He knowingly picked targets, and knowingly approved the bombing of children. He sent soldiers to die on pointless missions that gained us nothing. You can keep telling us that it was actually a good thing all you want, but I think that tells more about your values than anything else.
I don’t know what Ukraine has do to with anything. Why are you bringing up irrelevant data?
The reason we have Trump, is because of the failures of Obama (and the Dems in general). If he had actually done the things that he campaigned on, people wouldn’t have given up on America. People were so desperate for “Hope” and “Change”, that after Obama openly abandoned those ideals, a large chunk of people ran to Trump.
If “bombing children and torturing innocent people is bad” are republican talking points, then yes, I admit that I’m buying into them. I’m not ashamed to agree that those things are evil, even if it is the Republicans that are saying it.
Roll my God damn eyes.
You’re dramatic as hell and it does not highlight the point you’re making. When you look at other wars the death toll are far higher because Obama is literally explicitly NOT doing what your foolish ass is saying.
Trump happened because a bunch of bozos like you ate up everything they pushed on Obama and now they know how to slam the news cycle and plant your brain how they want it. Good job buddy you have no idea how to tell reality from crap.
Then he had the gall to go on 60 Minutes and say that 20 years earlier he would have been considered a republican. Hated that shit.
Obama personally promised me that he’d close Guantanamo, when I was a kid at one of his campaign rallies. He straight-up lied to me and didn’t close Gitmo.
Did you not follow the entire Obama-era policy on Gitmo?
It was attempted to be closed, multiple times.
This is why I love Lemmy. On reddit accurate criticisms of Obama would be downvoted into oblivion.
Both hin and Biden were actually really good. The main difference is they weren’t always hogging the limelight.
Supreme Court Justices among other things.
If that’s your biggest gripe I’d say it isn’t that bad.
People usually bring up the increase in drone strikes on Obama not realizing he was taking steps to prevent American soldier’s death.
He tried to get healthcare, changed his stance on gay marriage and stuck to it.
Obama was fine. I’d even argue good compared to his contemporaries.
He was drone striking in Yemen and Pakistan, he wasn’t replacing soldiers killing people, drone strikes were a way to kill extra people in places where he couldn’t send soldiers.
No drone strikes were a method of war that greatly reduces your rate of casualties.
I’m so serious man think about what you’re saying and tell me it isn’t a Republican talking point. You think Obama is just flying these drones himself? Scouting the missions himself? Calling up a general and asking if they can swing by and drone strike some folks?
There’s a whole military apparatus that transcends presidencies and the public/private sector divide of our system.
It was because the tech evolved and the military missions looked different. Go play modern warfare and go look at Ukraine, the technology changed and so did the culture of war.
the supreme court justice that got rid of abortion, birthright citizenship, and giving trump everything he wants isn’t that bad?!
american soldiers aren’t the only lives; “collatoral damage” are lives too but it’s worse than that because they’re killed at things like a wedding party instead of a war zone.
a pair of senators opposed so they stopped healthcare again (it only took one senator last time) whereas an eightfold number of senators and house members were steamrolled over by the republican’s agenda in the big beautiful bill.
he’s also still the “deporter in chief” even with alligator alcatraz being a thing and unaccompanied migrant children was his doj’s favorite group to target.
there’s also the crackdown on whistleblowers; maidan coup; the new egyption military dictatorship; destabilizing libya; disregarding isis; and on and on and on…
No. A president not being a power grabbing shit fuck and stuffing the bench isn’t that bad. You’re mad at Obama because he didn’t cheat? That’s not it.
American soldiers aren’t the only lives. But again you’re not being realistic. Obama does not sit there and control every single thing. He’s in meeting with experts feeding him advice, numbers and cost. If I told you this mission risks 0 American lives, this one risks dozens. You’re literally making the wrong choice risking your soldiers both politically and morally. The why to the fighting is a whole different question that I think is immature to put on Obama solely.
Again, you’re angry someone didn’t play dirty. Obama was doing what he could to represent a fair decent president so we don’t have a Trump and people like you embracing these stupid talking points are what helped bring us here because now people genuinely believe Obama is just as bad as Bush or Trump so what’s the difference, why vote, who cares. And that above all is literally the stupidest ever.
Deporter in chief? Please. He didn’t have masked dudes kidnapping Americans and deporting them to God knows where, ICE didn’t have the budget it has now, people weren’t being bussed to other parts of the country or flown places and used as political pawns cause brown people scary or something.
Was the dude perfect? NO. Would I vote for him again? Maybe in the right election. Are you guys being so drastic in your criticism you’re allowing no room for actually seeing the situation clearly? Yes, you’re being absolutely obtuse and obnoxious.
Thanks Captain Hindsight! Nothing can go wrong with openly opposing a newly minted and poorly organized fascist upstart with a well funded secret police.
yes, its the navel gazing voters who are to blame here:
128 Dems shot down the trump impeachment push recently. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-aoc-al-green-democrats-vote-b2776294.html
16 Senate Dems Join GOP to Advance Crypto Bill—A Gift to Trump’s ‘Reeking Corruption’ https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-democrats-genius-bill-advance
A Tale of Two Resolutions: 75 Dems Join GOP in Resolution Praising Trump’s Mass Deportation Regime https://jonathancohn.medium.com/a-tale-of-two-resolutions-75-dems-join-gop-in-resolution-praising-trumps-mass-deportation-regime-15cf590770ea
Democrats join Republicans in sanctuary city crackdown https://www.usconstitution.net/why-some-democrats-joined-republicans-in-a-sanctuary-city-crackdown/
Dems join Republicans to boost defense spending in Trump agenda bill https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/29/congress/dems-join-gop-to-boost-defense-spending-00317618
Texas Democrats join Republicans to place citizen voting requirement on statewide ballots in 2025 after blocking the amendment in 2023 https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/05/16/texas-democrats-join-republicans-to-place-citizen-voting-requirement-on-statewide-ballots-in-2025-after-blocking-the-amendment-in-2023/
7 Democrats vote for GOP resolution condemning LA protests https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5373771-la-riots-gop-resolution-democrats/
Four Democrats join Republicans to pass SAVE Act bill that requires proof of citizenship to vote https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/house-vote-save-act-voter-id-b2731102.html
Six U.S. House Dems join GOP in condemning Harris, Biden administration over border policy https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/07/25/six-u-s-house-dems-join-gop-in-condemning-harris-biden-administration-over-border-policy/
15 Democrats Join House GOP to Pass ‘MAGA Assault’ on Nonprofits https://www.commondreams.org/news/hr-9495-passed
Some Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down Biden’s EV mandate https://walberg.house.gov/media/in-the-news/fox-news-some-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-bidens-ev-mandate
Most Senate Democrats Join Republicans in Calling for Corporate Tax Break https://itep.org/most-senate-democrats-join-republicans-in-calling-for-corporate-tax-break/
Sen. Elissa Slotkin is lone Democrat to cross party lines in vote to revoke California’s EV emissions waivers https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/elissa-slotkin-california-ev-vote-senate/
8 House Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down California’s electric vehicle mandate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-californias-electric-vehicle-mandate
Full List of Democrats Voting to Block California Ban on Gas-Powered Cars https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-block-california-gas-car-ban-2066890 https://www.splinter.com/35-house-democrats-join-republicans-in-declaring-themselves-enemies-of-climate-progress
Democrats join GOP to kill air pollution, appliance rules https://www.eenews.net/articles/democrats-join-gop-to-kill-air-pollution-appliance-rules/
House Democrats bash Senate colleagues for backing GOP spending bill: ‘Huge slap in the face’ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5194414-house-democrats-senate-spending-bill/
10 Democrats join with Republicans to censure Rep. Al Green for Trump speech protest https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/politics/al-green-censure-trump-protest-house
Senate Democrats join Republicans to gut Dodd-Frank banking regulations https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/16/dodd-m16.html
62 DEMOCRATS JOIN 207 REPUBLICANS IN VOTE TO CONCEAL GAZA DEATH TOLL https://theintercept.com/2024/06/27/congress-gaza-death-toll-democrats/
81 Democrats Vote With GOP for Military Budget Barring Gaza Death Toll Citation https://truthout.org/articles/81-democrats-vote-with-gop-for-military-budget-barring-gaza-death-toll-citations/
16 Democrats join most Republicans to force administration to send arms to Israel https://jewishinsider.com/2024/05/16-democrats-join-most-republicans-to-force-administration-to-send-arms-to-israel/
Over 20 Democrats join Republicans in House censure vote of Rashida Tlaib over Israel-Hamas war comments https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-democrats-hold-news-briefing-after-censure-of-rep-tlaib-over-comments-on-israel
‘Deep sense of outrage and betrayal’: House Democrats react to Schumer announcement https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5327600/house-democrats-outrage-spending
Not one single Democrat should EVER vote for ANY MAGA sponsored legislation.
We need Democratic leaders who will resist the MAGA Nazis at every opportunity, and deliberately create more opportunities to resist them, just to antagonize them. Leadership should warm their people before every vote, that Dem crossover voters will be harshly punished. Then DO IT.
The Dem leadership in the Senate, House, and DNC needs to be purged, and replaced with Democratic Warriors. If you aren’t willing to go to war against the MAGA Nazis, then you must resign, and make way for someone who will fight.
While I agree I don’t think you’ll get many Democrats who are willing to put their necks out to stop him now that it’s open season for hunting Democrats. What would you do if you were in the Senate or Congress? Would you vote to impeach the Orange Julius Caesar and have your family at the top of every crazy MAGA supporters hit list or are you going to stay quiet, stay low, and don’t bring any attention to yourself until you can lose your seat to a republican. One option your kids are targets of domestic terrorists, the other you get to collect a fat paycheck.
Cause if you think the last set of Democrats who were murdered will be the only ones, you’re nieve.
What would I do? I’d go to fucking war. If I were getting into politics, it wouldn’t be to play it safe, it would be to cause trouble for the MAGA Nazis. They want a piece of me? Have at it assholes, I’ll be your worst nightmare wherever you put me, until you finally execute me for being too much trouble. But know that I’ll take as many with me as I can.
I’ve made my peace with the idea that my life may have a twist ending that I wasn’t expecting when I was growing up. Dying an old man in my sleep seems like a wasted opportunity to me.
Right now I’m biding my time, but I’m arming up, stockpiling ammo, and going to the range. I’m also accumulating non-lethal/ silent weapons, as well as stockpiling food and supplies.
If anything happens to my family, it’s on.
If you are advocating that we not punish traitors in the democratic party, whats the point of politics at all? Why have a government or laws? Why vote if both the dems and republicans just vote for the same things?
Your way of thinking leads nowhere.
Can’t forget all the votes to confirm trump appointees
yes, its the navel gazing voters who are to blame here:
He was speaking at a private fundraiser, I don’t think he was talking about the voters. It was about the party looking around for a strong leader and doing nothing while ignoring the various races that were actually going well against the right.
