• ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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    5 hours ago

    Friendly reminder, that Obama assassinated an American citizen in drone strike.

    Anwar Nasser Abdulla al-Awlaki (Arabic: أنور العولقي, romanized: Anwar al-'Awlaqī; April 21, 1971 – September 30, 2011) was an **American-Yemeni **Islamic cleric and lecturer assassinated in Yemen in 2011 by a U.S. drone strike ordered by President Barack Obama. Al-Awlaki was the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and assassinated by a U.S. government drone strike.[6][7] U.S. government officials alleged that al-Awlaki, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Yemen, was a key organizer for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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    11 hours ago

    Stop idealizing Obama. We don’t have the full list and he’s been no different in terms of foreign policy and bombing brown people.

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      I don’t think this is idealizing him, and I certainly don’t, but compared to Trump he’s still miles ahead, when you make a “generic” assessment. And the post is still making (most likely) an accurate statement. Obama doesn’t strike me as being a womanizer or a pedophile.

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      5 hours ago

      wheres the tea party equivalent reaction from (racists) american politics from trumps election?

      oh wait that was the reaction. America couldn’t handle a brown person who was even half white running the country and lost their fucking minds. Now we get another loser celebrity con-man. Wonderful. That January insurrection was just a random flux though, right?!

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    14 hours ago

    We have no idea if Obama is on the list because we don’t have the list. We pretty much know that Trump is on it, and someone like Bill Clinton is also very likely on there, but Bush Jr, Obama, and Biden could all also be on that list but we just don’t know. It’s a list of very powerful people, and anybody who has held the office of the presidency is a suspect as far as I’m concerned.

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    1 day ago

    It’s good that Obama isn’t on the Epstein list.

    But a woman’s value isn’t based on how many people have seen her body.

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    Funded by the globalist bankers, bailed them out when the housing market fiasco happened, and gave a middle finger to the middle class/homeowners. Obama’s bailouts also allowed the banks to take that money and give their CEO’s, who caused the situation, huge bonuses.

    He then went on and drone-bombed a fuck-ton of individuals including a lot of innocent children and women, and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, laughing at the irony. Obama was no friend to the working class, a globalist-first president. Worse than Trump? Just two snakes with the same body.

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      Not that you’re not right about the rest, but maybe don’t use “the globalists” with so little specificity?

      When you’re using THAT term vaguely, people can’t tell if you’re (rightly) blaming Obama’s kowtowing to multinational corporations and their toadies for a lot of the awful things he did and caused or employing Alex Jones’ favorite antisemitic dog whistle to blame a shadowy Jewish cabal…

      Kinda an important distinction.

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        Globalist = a crony-capitalistic group of oligarchs who are trying to control commerce, the people, and the world. This is not aimed at Jewish people, but it does include Zionist. Hope that is clear.

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          Fair enough. I’m not sure I agree with how orchestrated you think their actions are but yep, billionaires and other crony capitalists do in fact control the world and many of them are indeed Zionists without all of Jewdom having anything to do with it.

          Thanks for clarifying 🙂

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    Thing about the second point, I don’t believe he truly cares about her at a deep level (not capable) so for him it’s more of a “look at how hot my wife is” type of gloat rather than any embarrassment.

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    2 days ago

    Trump would lose his fucking mind. Remember, Obama baggin’ on him is why he ran in the first place.

    If you haven’t seen it, history in the making, and funny as hell to boot. Except for the consequences.

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      I completely believe that’s the point in time it all started to go wrong, and if Obama had simply avoided being a smug knob, we would never have had a Trump presidency.

      The jokes weren’t even that good.

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        Get over it. Any late night show or comedian’s social media has much harsher (true) criticisms of Trump. Also, mildly poking fun was the point of the Correspondents’ Dinner, at least before Thin-Skinned Trump cancelled the tradition…

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    Unlike Dump I actually would want to see Bama’s wife naked.

    Not really a strong conviction here, but she seems like she’s not all plastic yet. A mind up there, too… Always good in my list

    Also, she at least looks like someone who’s actually had an orgasm in the past 40 years or so.

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      17 hours ago

      Yes, but also humans stupid and must have good and bad, so if obama better, obama good.

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          The only credible war criminal accusation towards Obama that comes to mind is the practice of ‘double-tapping’ which, at the very least, is something that Obama deserves a trial in the Hague for, even if I wouldn’t necessarily bet on the outcome even with an impartial court.

          Every other major accusation I’ve seen stems from a fundamental and rather grotesque misunderstanding of ‘war crime’ as ‘anything that’s bad or I don’t like’.

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            He gets tons of flak for his heavy use of drone attacks - which is completely valid - but people usually ignore that:

            • a) The reason we know those numbers is because Obama’s administration put strict reporting policies on drone usage in place that included strikes that weren’t even tracked under previous stats. A lot of those drone strikes were egregious, yes, but also are only public knowledge because he designed a system to be held accountable.
            • b) Trump removed those reporting policies during his first term, then proceeded to order more drone strikes than Obama. Not saying that Obama’s good because Trump is worse, but the reported numbers are back to being fucking lies and those lies make Obama look worse.
            • c) Drone warfare technology started coming into its own around when Obama was elected, and he was stuck with multiple unpopular wars and an openly hostile Republican opposition who would blame any American casualties on him, so of course he used drones more than previous presidents.
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            Maybe that’s true, but even so that’s no excuse to glorify him. Obama was a step towards, not away from, fascism, and a decisive one at that.

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              Glorifying maybe is a strong word, but assuming war crimes as a constant of American history basically, we can appreciate the good things he did, specially in the context of bush before him and trump after him. Yes, it’s praising someone for not shitting his pants, but we are at that level unfortunately.

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                I mean, Obama did shit his pants, hard. He did do some good things, but he failed the test given to him by history same as Biden by not ending the War on Terror after the death of Bin Laden. America was going to have to reckon with the rot at the heart of its society sooner or later, but that rot was rapidly metastatizing fast through the War on Terror, and Obama had a golden opportunity to stop that but he didn’t. Compared to this one gigantic failure, all his successes (and most of his other failures) are footnotes. I view him the same as Biden: Someone who would’ve been a good or good-ish president in saner times, but who was woefully inadequate for the hour. The consequences of his failure weren’t as immediate as Biden’s so it’s harder to notice, but Obama shitting his pants is why we’re living through Trump 2 right now.

                Youre right in that war crimes are a constant in american history, but America desperately needed Obama to be the peace president he’d said he’d be.

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                  He did do some good things, but he failed the test given to him by history same as Biden by not ending the War on Terror after the death of Bin Laden.

                  In what way did you want him to ‘end’ the ‘War on Terror’, itself an immensely nebulous term for a broad range of foreign policy issues regarding non-state actors?

                  Perhaps nonintervention against ISIS? Or giving Afghanistan over to the Taliban ten years ahead of time? What form of ‘ending’ the War on Terror are we looking at? What ‘golden opportunity’ did he have?

                  Obama was an insufficient solution to America’s post-Bush problems. But the urge to counter the hagiography of some liberals about Obama with a broad-spectrum condemnation of the Obama’s administration’s policies is not really a reasonable response.

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                  Ok, so let me appreciate him for shitting his pants less than the guys before and after him. Yes, he didn’t stop it, arguably accelerated a bit, but the other guys where pedal to the metal while punching you in the face. Obamacare was bad, but it was better than injecting bleach. Droning weddings was bad, but better than ethnic cleansing. Not prosecuting Cheney was bad, but better than selling pardons for 2M a pop. You get the idea.

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          I’d certainly argue that Obama caused immeasurable damage to America through the promises he reneged on and the things he didn’t do. He’d have been a fine president in saner times, but as America’s last shot at stopping fascism at the ballot box he was wholly inadequate.

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    Smashing the Like button on Occupy Democrats facebook posts is what boomers think meaningful political activism is

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      not voting and spending their lives rage memeing online is what tankies think is meaningful political activism

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        Voting is not political activism. Its actually the least important form of political participation. Yet, America still can’t get 40% of its populace to engage with even that. Try forming a union, creating propaganda, hosting educational seminars on politics and political history, or feeding and housing those who can’t afford to do so themselves (Through a group/org not as an individual obviously). These things are political activism. We complain a lot on the internet because it is very frsutrating to live in a world where the vast majority of people think the most important thing they can do is vote for one loser who hates you or the other loser who doesn’t give a shit about you.