cross-posted from: https://freefree.ps/users/faab64/statuses/114885039540867898

For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse, punished those trying to end it and helped, funded, protected and armed the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.

#NeverAgain #NeverForget #NeverForgive #Gaza #Israel #Genocide #USpol #EUpol #Politics

@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @lebanon @syria @iran

  • Velypso@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 days ago

    What do you mean we did nothing?

    People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.

    So we got that going for us…

    • Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      4 days ago

      If your reaction is basically…

      But what about meeeee? I have to deal with orange man in the office now

      … when confronted with a genocide, maybe just don’t comment?

      And besides, it’s a massive cope to blame the loss on ‘online moral righteousness’ when we all saw the campaigns play out. “We beat Medicare” should have never been allowed to happen, and Kamala should have had some firm policy stances instead of “I wouldn’t have done anything different”.

        • Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          4 days ago

          The politicians. Is this a hard concept, or are you bad faith trolling?

          They’re not stupid, they had access to better polling data than you and I, they knew there was a massive anti-incumbent sentiment, that while the S&P 500 was performing well, the people were struggling, and that Israel was increasing a vote loser across all political stripes - the politicians saw all that, and they still ran the campaign they ran.

          They decided that, whilst choking out all grassroots challengers and criticism, and you’ve swallowed whole the “disloyal lefty” narrative that exonerates their failure completely. “We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives”

          I’m disappointed in the broad electorate for not seeing through Trump, but I understand that economic desperation is rocket fuel for fascism and it doesn’t go away if faced with more of the status quo that brought us to this point. The Dems needed to pivot, and refused to change with the times.

          • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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            4 days ago

            No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.

            We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives

            Holy strawman.

            No, I don’t think the loss was primarily due to people who intentionally did not vote, though I do think they are morons.

            • Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              4 days ago

              No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.

              If so, why open with this comment then?

              People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.

              • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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                4 days ago

                Uh, what part of “primarily” do you not understand. They helped, yes. The primary blame shouldn’t lay on them, but they helped.

                Is English your second language?

                • Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  4 days ago

                  I understood your first comment perfectly - you felt ‘online righteousness’ was the most worthy thing to bring up for discussion. Not:

                  • Wow, how could the Dems not have defused this wedge issue, dumb politicians
                  • How awful that the people of Gaza are facing their current existence
                  • What a blunder of a party platform to ignore the people’s dissent re: arming Israel
                  • Screw the right for bad-faith messaging, Trump has been worse
                  • etc

                  You saw a preventable death of a child suffering under apartheid and genocide, and felt that ‘online morons’ who didn’t vote/voted 3rd party deserved more attention.

                  And no, English is my first language.

        • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
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          4 days ago

          It seems pretty obvious that, for a Genocide, we should blame the Genocide supporters, AKA, the Democrat and Republican leadership

          • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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            4 days ago

            To quote a more obvious comment

            [I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu. You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.

            And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.

            • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
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              4 days ago

              lolwut?

              Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.

              Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.

              Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.

              • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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                4 days ago

                So, I’ll carefully answer your remarks by quoting answers from the comment, because you apparently missed them.

                Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.

                [I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu.

                Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.

                Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.

                You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.

                Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.

                Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.

                Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.

                And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.

                • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
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                  4 days ago

                  Your intentional mis-representing of my reply doesn’t mean that I missed anything.

                  Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.

                  Trump being worse than Harris does not mean that Harris wouldn’t have done the same thing. I do not disagree that Trump is worse, but that’s not what we were talking about.

                  Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.

                  Can you point out what I said that was a falsehood? Because, nothing I said in that statement is false. It was indeed possible to vote against Trump, and also vote against the Democrats. FPTP has nothing to do with how that works. A vote for a third party can be a vote against both.

                  Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.

                  This is a falsehood. If a non-mainstream candidate got enough votes, they would win against a mainstream party candidate.