cross-posted from: https://freefree.ps/users/faab64/statuses/114885039540867898
For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse, punished those trying to end it and helped, funded, protected and armed the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.
#NeverAgain #NeverForget #NeverForgive #Gaza #Israel #Genocide #USpol #EUpol #Politics
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i’ve watched Americans ignore child prisoners literally 3 feet away from them
Americans will ignore anything
their eyes aren’t connected to anything, they don’t understand what it is to be a person
Yemen did something and we bombed them for it
Yeah, they killed a bunch of Philippine sailors. That’ll teach Israel a lesson, eh?
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Unless plea to Economy Ministry is heeded, southern port could shut down as soon as Sunday; activity has dived over 90% amid Iran-backed Yemeni rebels terrorizing Red Sea shipping
Let’s not forget that this genocide is proudly supported by “the land of the free” propagandists, ruling class and population.
As someone from Ireland, this hits really hard. The British did this to us, they called it the great famine while they shipped food out of the country. Over a million Irish people died and so many more left in ships. We still carry it today even tho it happened so long ago. Palestine may recover but this treatment will remain in their hearts forever. Ireland is with you Palestine. We are a small country but our history will tell you that you can get rid of the colonisers yourself, just keep fighting!
Same thing with India
Actively enabled and supported in the most vehement manner
Kill all the “leaders” who don’t actively fight against the support towards Israel. Ain’t nothing going to change otherwise.
Even “progressive” presidents like Finland’s Alexander Stubb and their prime minister Petteri Orpo deserve to die, they’re still willing to deal arms with murderers
it is gut wrenching
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-youre-still-supporting-israel
If you’re still supporting Israel in the year 2025, there’s something seriously wrong with you as a person. You do not have a normal, healthy sense of empathy and morality.
There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.
Remember to never have respect for nearly any politician in congress no matter what party it is. Unless they spoke up they deserve less respect than dog shit.
Germany and Austria still have to support them, otherwise they instantly fight back with WW2 arguments which are all irrelevant by now.
Germany and Austria never de-Nazified. Their governments are fully on board with the extermination of Semitic people.
The Israeli Holocaust of the Palestinians is an extreme implementation of a policy of de-Arabization that Europeans have repeatedly endorsed across the continent.
So they are scared of words? That’s a pretty bullshit excuse.
USA is heavily involved due to Christians
Islam countries do nothing, Islamists want Palestinians to perish, they don’t want to let refugees from Palestine
There is no uprising to destroy Hamas
What can anyone do if Israel have support of most powerful country in the world - USA
Wild when you know lots of Palestine is Christian and has some of the oldest churches in the world…that are now rubble
We have the Scofield Bible to blame. Remember that Christians did the whole Spanish Inquisition thing and Martin Luther called for the expulsion of Jews from Europe. If supporting Israel because Jews exist there was theologically consistent with Christianity then neither of those things would have happened. But the Scofield bible rewrote parts of the Bible to promote Christian Zionism and was popularized particularly in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible
Israeli spokesmen responsible for messaging the United States still quote it. Bibi says: “God will bless those who bless us [Zionist Israel].” In reality the Bible used the non-plural you referring to Abraham the individual person, who was alive 4000 years ago.
Meanwhile Jesus himself said to modern Israel’s progenitors, who were also political zionists, “Say not that you are sons of Abraham, for if you were you would do the works of your father. But you do the works of your father, who is Satan.”
This is big man JC who said this.
Basically if you are a modern Christian who supports Israel you are a fucking retard.
All the English translations are wrong, because Greeks and Romans translated wrong, sometimes by honest mistake, often for political reasons, whether institutional or governmental, often both in tandem.
Well that’s an extremely fair point to make. Point is the Bible was re-written again, (maybe you have a better idea of the total rewrite count), to spread Zionist propaganda and was propagated through the US in particular.
Fun fact. Even Isaac Newton was able to find ways in which the Bible was surreptitiously altered. So this is a bit of a problem in general. People have been altering the Bible to meet political ends for a while.
In the case of the bit we have Bibi quoting we have the Jewish version to reference and their own version uses a singular you, but Bibi found the Scofield version to be convenient. Crazy how this guy knows more about translation variance in Christian versions of the Old Testament better than most Christians do. It’s almost like this guy made it his job to communicate to Christians and get them to support him.
Zionism didn’t exist during Constantine’s time. The father of Zionism, Herzl, was an antisemitic atheist. But Balfour signed the Agreement and Truman recognized Israel.
Yes to meet political ends. If there was one man who was literal Jesus, rather than legendary or an amalgamation of men, then he was crucified for being a threat to a rather comfortable occupation of Israel by the Romans, on trumped up religious charges. Same as chattel slaves and abolitionists. The modern global West is using both methods, Europe and the UK by criminalizing condemnation of illegal occupation and genocide, US with that coupled with discrimination against Christians. But only certain ones.
Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote about it in The Scarlet Letter, and Young Goodman Brown. Not that his ideas were perfect, but were rather advanced for his time.
It’s interesting that Zionists today will say that any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitism when Zionism, according to you was invented by an anti-Semite. So I guess it’s actually Zionism that is anti-Semitic? The only think I don’t buy about that is maybe he was the father of modern-Zionism, but movements for anti-diaspora have always existed among the Jewish people.
I did some quick reading. I’m not buying that he was an anti-semite considering it was the anti-semitism surrounding the Drayfus affair and the rise of an anti-semite Karl Lueger which motivated his views on Zionism. I see some reference that some have argued that his attack of Jewish people who disagree with his position as not being good Jews as being anti-semetic. But I don’t think that’s fair. Everyone argues what constitutes a good American or bad American or this or the other. Me saying that good Americans should oppose drug laws because freedom, if I were called anti-American for having an argument of what would be a good American position I don’t think that would be fair. I’ve interestingly seen Zionists today call Jewish people who aren’t anti-semitic which is a bit funny. I guess both sides have a history of calling either side anti-semetic even though both sides are Jewish. Probably not fair in either case and really just a pejorative.
Who said anything about Constantine. I referenced Jesus. Well before Constantine. Zionism and the want for Jewish control of the region and anti-diaspora absolutely existed in Jesus’s time. Jesus absolutely did not hate all Jews, considering he was one, almost all of his friends were Jewish, and we have no reference to his opinion of Jewish people in other regions. But when it came to the people who were politically Zionist living in Israel (or its equivalent of the time) he consistently only ever had petty mean words to say. And that’s coming from kind as a butterfly Jesus. Whether Jesus existed or not the point is that reading the words of that real or non-real person as provided from the Bible it would be very odd to infer a religious responsibility toward Zionism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl's_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism
I recently was involved in a similar discussion and said maybe he was elitist and antisemitism was a cover. Palestinian people are genetically Semites though.
Yeah. When you bring up that Palestinians are Semites you open up a fair can of worms for how non-nonsensical these labels are in general. It’s almost better not to think about it and just accept the semantic meaning. My gosh we shouldn’t get into Ashkenazi genetic admixture, and how ironic it is that a predominately ethnically-Germanic, among many other things higher on the ingredient list than ancient Hebrew, are calling Palestinians antisemetic. The poor relation of these words to actual reality is almost better to not think about. Everyone knows what’s meant by today’s backward verbiage.
Interesting article.
Christians is not the reason USA is involved. I would have said it’s because Israel is a militarily valuable position to have in the middle-east.
Yep. Before the creation of Israel, actual state-led military incursions from muslim countries to Europe happened all the time. After the creation of Israel, none have happened so far (unless you count terrorism or believe the bs right-wing population change theories).
In cold geopolitical terms, huge success for Europe. Not sure what the value is to USA, perhaps a projection of power to oil-rich countries.
That’s like saying the space shuttle is responsible for curing polio. Yes, the the period before the space shuttle existed there was a lot of polio. The military incursions from Muslim countries into Europe were ended by the Crusades.
interesting perspective
Also technological boost in military capabilities mean that any European military would steamroll over any Islam Country.
Batpoo insane Christians and politicians. One is a tool, the other leverages it.
…israel’s long-term strategic campaign of zionist lobbying and mossad kompromat are why USA political support remains unwavering…if the epstein records are ever fully released, israel stands to lose mighty leverage across the political spectrum in so many governments…
It can be both things, the death cult can’t have their rapture without Israel.
Are you referring to Hamas here?
I really never understood this. I’ve tried grilling them on it but I can never get a straight answer. See Israel already exists, so that element of the prophecy already has a check mark. The next part is that all the nations go to war against Israel, which at this point would be reasonable progression of events. Now if they are trying to progress the timeline then Israel being under attack would progress the timeline. BTW, all the nations would include the US. So if anything you’d think they’d support the US attacking Israel.
So they need to not progress the timeline to protect the timeline that they need to happen that should happen independent of any will they exert? And they are still trying their darndest to exert will anyway, in the exact opposite direction of the next thing?
I have a different, somewhat conspiratorial theory. There are a lot of bought and paid for pastors that say whatever works best for Israel. Crazy thought. But did you know that Israel pays for trips to Israel for these people even though they don’t want Christianity there. I hear these trips are first class. Mike Huckabee says he’s done the trip they offer multiple times. He wonders if other people have tried “the trip” yet.
I would really love for someone to make the “protect Israel to have the rapture” thing make sense to me. I genuinely want to get it. Understanding other people’s ideas is important to me. But man, I’m fucking lost.
I guess all the people who got “detained” for writing about it, and all the protesters and such aren’t part of the “whole world”
That’s the bit you take from this post? What a ridiculous thing to point out.
I despise absurd over generalizations. And this post implied all the people trying to do something did nothing. That’s beyond rude.
Yeah, this kind of shit was supposed to be with the end of Apartheid South Africa. I’m going to feel pretty uncomfortable until there’s some kind of inquiry into how Zionism got such a grip on the discourse.
But, this isn’t a news article.
this isn’t a news article.
You should wonder why this is not front page news every day.
It is. The OP just didn’t give enough of a shit to actually post it here.
A life time of indoctrination that Israel was a just solution to the Holocaust, despite Palestinians having nothing to do with it. When we grew up, we knew Israel planted foreign trees to hide the Palestinian villages they destroyed, but it wasn’t until Kamala Harris bragged about it that I learn Americans collected donations to plant trees in Israel to “make the desert bloom” 🤮🤮
There is another theory that some of the European powers actually agreed with Hitler to some degree. He was a darling politician to a lot of these people at one point before history got sour. And while maybe they weren’t fans of Hitler’s solution, they did see an opportunity to kick the Jewish Problem somewhere else. Apparently Hitler himself tried a Zionist approach at one point. The reality is that because decisions in society involve many people, there is a plurality of sentiments responsible for a decision winning in the end.
The people who felt sympathy for the Jews wanted to do something nice. The people who didn’t didn’t mind seeing them go. So it seems everyone agreed. Palestinians sure didn’t. But I guess no one phoned them on the decision.
What’s a fun alternate history question is if German Zionist efforts succeeded how German established Israel would have played out with the Palestinians. There is an opportunity for a 100% converged timeline because there’s no reason to think things wouldn’t have gone equally wrong. If Germany won the war you might still have a 2024- Isreal/Palestinian conflict. There’s a chance though nukes wouldn’t be involved.
You’re not the first person to suggest it’s some kind of quasi-religion, but I still don’t understand it. The people who support it for actual religion are around, and I understand that, but they’re not numerous enough to run the show. And, even if you see the Nakba as justified, that doesn’t excuse anything they’re doing now.
Side note, I’m surprised this post is still up.
Shows who’s really in control of the world, and it’s not the peeps we elect.
I’m baffled by the whole situation. The irony is totally lost on the Israeli government. Flee right winged extremism, only to become them. What a ride!
This is why healing is so important. They didn’t heal, instead they harbored a grudge. It’s just like an abused child growing up and abusing their own children. Some people are unable or unwilling to do the work to break the cycle.
And now they deserve to die, and nothing else. It’s time to start killing any and all rightwingers, otherwise our planet and it’s people won’t heal and be able to make the world a better place
A little example of horseshoe theory in action.
You do know that the Soviets and Maoists genocided people too right? Genocide is not an economic right vs economic left issue. It’s a power issue. Here is a right wing forum having pretty much the exact same thread with almost the exact some content. Sometimes the sky is blue and people everywhere can say the sky is blue.
Keep in mind when someone talks on a right wing or left wing forum they have to agree with 90% to fit in and use 10% to push toward truth. It’s called nudge theory.
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=687d0040922e1
But look, people who are economically right can be against genocide just as much and call out the same genocide. Funny thing is the only people who aren’t on the same page right now is congress. Um, and boomers. Congress and boomers. Everyone else thinks this is a genocide and thinks it should stop.
a grudge they took out on the people that helped them during their holocaust
What do you mean we did nothing?
People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.
So we got that going for us…
If your reaction is basically…
But what about meeeee? I have to deal with orange man in the office now
… when confronted with a genocide, maybe just don’t comment?
And besides, it’s a massive cope to blame the loss on ‘online moral righteousness’ when we all saw the campaigns play out. “We beat Medicare” should have never been allowed to happen, and Kamala should have had some firm policy stances instead of “I wouldn’t have done anything different”.
Not having firm policies vs literal fascism. Hmm, who should we blame. Lol
The politicians. Is this a hard concept, or are you bad faith trolling?
They’re not stupid, they had access to better polling data than you and I, they knew there was a massive anti-incumbent sentiment, that while the S&P 500 was performing well, the people were struggling, and that Israel was increasing a vote loser across all political stripes - the politicians saw all that, and they still ran the campaign they ran.
They decided that, whilst choking out all grassroots challengers and criticism, and you’ve swallowed whole the “disloyal lefty” narrative that exonerates their failure completely. “We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives”
I’m disappointed in the broad electorate for not seeing through Trump, but I understand that economic desperation is rocket fuel for fascism and it doesn’t go away if faced with more of the status quo that brought us to this point. The Dems needed to pivot, and refused to change with the times.
No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.
We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives
Holy strawman.
No, I don’t think the loss was primarily due to people who intentionally did not vote, though I do think they are morons.
No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.
If so, why open with this comment then?
People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.
Uh, what part of “primarily” do you not understand. They helped, yes. The primary blame shouldn’t lay on them, but they helped.
Is English your second language?
I understood your first comment perfectly - you felt ‘online righteousness’ was the most worthy thing to bring up for discussion. Not:
- Wow, how could the Dems not have defused this wedge issue, dumb politicians
- How awful that the people of Gaza are facing their current existence
- What a blunder of a party platform to ignore the people’s dissent re: arming Israel
- Screw the right for bad-faith messaging, Trump has been worse
- etc
You saw a preventable death of a child suffering under apartheid and genocide, and felt that ‘online morons’ who didn’t vote/voted 3rd party deserved more attention.
And no, English is my first language.
It seems pretty obvious that, for a Genocide, we should blame the Genocide supporters, AKA, the Democrat and Republican leadership
To quote a more obvious comment
[I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu. You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.
And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.
lolwut?
Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.
Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.
Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.
So, I’ll carefully answer your remarks by quoting answers from the comment, because you apparently missed them.
Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.
[I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu.
Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.
Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.
You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.
Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.
Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.
Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.
And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.
Your intentional mis-representing of my reply doesn’t mean that I missed anything.
Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.
Trump being worse than Harris does not mean that Harris wouldn’t have done the same thing. I do not disagree that Trump is worse, but that’s not what we were talking about.
Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.
Can you point out what I said that was a falsehood? Because, nothing I said in that statement is false. It was indeed possible to vote against Trump, and also vote against the Democrats. FPTP has nothing to do with how that works. A vote for a third party can be a vote against both.
Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.
This is a falsehood. If a non-mainstream candidate got enough votes, they would win against a mainstream party candidate.
But if they were pragmatic then how would the tankies keep their purity?
Flood the zone. People can’t even keep track.
Mossad ran Epstein’s pedophile ring by the way.
