Just believe, and Jill Stein will magically become POTUS. /s

fuck off mate

Real talk, if anyone genuinely believes this meme, they’re a fool. The parties in the US, and anywhere else, for that matter, are substantially different from one another.

Namely, Democrats only support Genocides in the middle east MOST of the time, whereas Republicans support it ALL OF THE TIME.

Wouldn’t it be great if the republicans lost the house and the senate?

So I really hope the DNC shifts away from genocidal Israel and centrist civility politics and adopts more popular progressive and left-wing platforms. Come on DNC! We need big tent for a big win!

As someone from outside the US, the problem is your side A is still more B than most countries side B by a pretty large margin (Though one that is concerningly shrinking). But we have seen proof that you can vote in a different side B at a local level and that’s probably the only non-violent way out of this assuming you (and by extension the rest of us) aren’t fucked already.

Usually I’d put some electoral reform videos in a thread like this, but that time has long since passed us by.

Enjoy your 1%er divide and conquer propaganda.

Malcolm X said:

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

MLK said similar things. The longer I live, the more I feel this sentiment. The genocide in Gaza cemented this. Never, ever, mistake a liberal for an ally.

You’re right.

I should give Democrats credit for all the times they held power and still didn’t do jack shit about the VRA except wring their hands and pretend to be powerless to stop the judicial repeal of it. (2006, 2013, 2021, etc. etc. etc.)

After all. Actually doing stuff requires effort, and it’s unreasonable of me to expect the opposition party to actually oppose things.

My standpoint is this: I feel betrayed by the betrayals, I’m frustrated by the things Democrats didn’t do when they were in power. I accept as an unfortunate reality, at least some 1-15% of the Democratic party (can absolutely be more!) is corrupt and cares only about the NASDAQ, themselves, or Israel and ethnostates. That bloc will vote hard against anything pro-American like healthcare, defunding ICE, or defunding Israel. They might even pretend to support those things at times when no vote will pass.

There’s also more than a few timid, ineffective Democrats that are only voting for obvious wins, and won’t vote against any appointments because they don’t want attention on themselves.

A lot of that, ultimately, doesn’t matter. That type of opportunistic traitor, or coward, doesn’t get much of a mechanism in a supermajority, where their choice to stand against Democrats doesn’t even buy them anything; when over 50 seats in the Senate are NOT bought out by corporate interests.

By all fucking means, pick out the betrayals, watch people’s individual voting records, vote in primaries, and raise a stern eyebrow anytime a voter tells you they “vote blue, no matter who”. But don’t pretend you can’t look past nuance. We’re dealing with a mammoth ®ogue political party, which is the unfortunate reality, and even cutthroats could decide they benefit from taking credit in its destruction.

I think if you would understand that Democrats chose to keep funding Israel and Ice instead of getting more votes, you would understand why this meme doesn’t mean jack shit for the undecisive voters.

Unless of course, you want to say that it wasn’t worth it in terms of voter count for Democrats.

Here’s an outside perspective: Regardless of who is in the White House, the U.S. forces other countries under its thumb - using the tools of predatory capitalism, which is represented by the political parties in the U.S. no matter who’s in office. For the rest of the world, the only difference is whether this happens openly, as it does now, or is nicely disguised, as was the case with an eloquent president like Obama.

So there is just as little of an alternative for the world as there is for US citizens. Of course, we would like to see someone in power in the US with whom one can at least somewhat reason, but in essence it makes hardly any difference.

This is the reality for the world and also for US citizens.

Naturally, in this system, the logical response is to vote for the Democrats because they are the lesser evil.

However, that does not solve the fundamental problem for anyone. The problem lies in the fact that the US is by no means a democracy, as it is portrayed through Hollywood and all that.

The US is an oligarchic system very similar to today’s Russia. These are simply facts.

Posts like this don’t change the facts: If US citizens want a life worth living, there is simply no way around overthrowing the existing system.

It’s that simple, because even the U.S. Constitution, which was drafted with slave-holding states in mind, stands in the way of democracy.

What I’m saying here is simply reinforced by the fact that in the richest country in the world, there are no social benefits whatsoever, as are more than common in all democracies.

Edit: Since this comment is once again being downvoted simply for stating the facts. The answer is not violence, but mass civil disobedience by U.S. citizens. Together, they would have the power to put a stop to their billionaire rulers. Tomorrow, there is even a symbolic one-day general strike planned - but unfortunately, that is not enough: there must be a general strike by the citizens that lasts until the oligarchy is overcome. This is not utopian, but feasible, if only enough people understand that the U.S. system logically leads only further and further toward what it is constitutionally designed to do.

I can’t tell whether bots/foreign agents are starting to substantially infiltrate Lemmy or if there’s just that many dumbass “both sides” dipshits on this platform.

This is only limited inside america, for those outside america both parties are exact same and democrats may be worse because they pretend to be good but trump is too blunt about his actions and is actually exposing to laymans what america really is.

Also anyone voting for democrats should be ashamed. Vote for a thrid party or dont vote at all. Liberalism is a disease

“Why don’t everyone support 7 genocides?”

The elephant in the room is that they’re mostly bots or bad actors. They’re written almost exactly the same and in the same format. When you call them on it, you are downvoted almost instantly and buried. We usually don’t qualify to get the really good ones in here, but that’s a good thing imo.