Summary
Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan.
Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea.
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law.
Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.
Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.
Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.
What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.
Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?
Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.
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I reported your comment and it still up. Apparently lemmy.world mods apparently do not remove insults when they defend genocide.
It is currently removed on my end.
Was up for more than 6 hours.
So predictable. Nothing but “whataboutism” anytime someone points out how bad Trump is and will be. This thread was about Trump, not Biden.
Stop making it about Biden then.
You can’t reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
Long story short, when people are hungry and broke and without a place to live, they become desperate, but then when you do something that really makes them angry. They stop being desperate and they start becoming violent. Not just people in the Middle East mind you I’m talking all people from British colonists to French students yelling about revolution all the way down to Germans, who survived the World War I only to see part of their country, giving away the treaty of Versailles. 
 Donald Trump‘s plan is just asking for further acts of terrorism against America and our interest overseas
I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt 
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They’re laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it’s their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
Aaaaand, why is the president of the US making plans for the people in a county he has no authority over again?
No better than Putin, you could say. Both are real dickbags and need to be put down like animals.
"I’M PROTEST VOTING. " - Dumb Bastards
The real lesson of trump: you can get away with anything after you’ve conditioned your victims enough.
I read recently that all conservatism is is “I’m a good person and anyone who says otherwise deserved whatever I did to them.”
Pretty sure this is how it all started in the 1930s.
What’s the end goal here, cause another 9/11 so he can declare martial law?
I said something similar a few months before he got into office, got down voted to hell.
A gift to Netanyahu for intentionally delaying the ceasefire until after the election to help Trump win.
Probably say “I gave them a chance, now we need to exterminate, since we have no other options”
It’s ironic that China seems to be the country supporting the Palestinians, I kinda feel we might be the baddies.
Sadly every major power tends to be the baddies to some extent, it’s how they get to be and stay major powers. We just get to grade on a curve. Nazi Germany really set the curve and the US got to be the pretty unambiguous good guys, at least up to the firebombing campaign in Japan, the nuclear bombs, and being complicit after the fact in Japanese atrocities by shielding them from consequences.
While we have an “ambient” level of baddie-ness most of the time, we at least have balanced it out by sometimes defending against unjust violence and providing humanitarian aid.
Now Trump seeks to turn that baddie scale up to the max while simultaneously cutting out all aid efforts.
Hey CNN, wanna interview those protest voters again?
Do you respect Palestinians or not?
This is such a thought terminating question being posed in bad faith.
You can respect and support the Palestinian people, and still realize that Harris was the best option for the Palestinians we had on the table. To not vote was giving a vote to trump, and trump is significantly worse than Harris for the Palestinians, this is objective truth, we have the facts in front of us right now.
Not voting was essentially voting against the Palestinian people.
Is it fair that we had the choices we had in November? No.
But the protest vote just turned into voting for this century’s Mussolini and a guy who’s doing his damnedest to start WW3.
Which seems…antithetical to the purpose of the protest vote? So who really won here?
But the Palestinian people didn’t vote for Kamala. That is like saying, us sophisticated Kamala genocide fans are smarter than you Palestinians & know what is best for you. So I ask again why do you not respect the Palestinians & what they wanted?
And your question is still fundamentally flawed.
We don’t get to vote for a candidate for the US of A that has the Palestinian people at the front of their agenda.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all. Those that are US citizens chose to throw away their vote so they’re in the same camp as those who are not US citizens for the sake of the conversation/argument.
So, of the candidates that were presented, you have to choose the lesser of the two Evils (LEV) to have the greatest chance of accomplishing your goals, even if none of the options specifically further your goals. It’s about limiting the fallout/damage to your goals as much as possible.
This is something the Palestinian people who were US citizens chose not to do.
It is now why they are facing a much more serious threat from the US than they were during Biden’s administration. This is not to absolve the Biden/Harris administration, but to show that the reason things are worse now, is because, in large part, the Palestinian people who were US citizens chose the worse of the two options by not exercising their right to vote.
At no point in the process was there an option that would have accomplished what the Palestinian people would have wanted. To let the greater evil win because of that is going to be a very, very painful lesson for everyone involved, and I feel for the Palestinian people that are now going to be guaranteed to lose their home, their rights, and their freedoms because the new US Administration has even less respect and care for their rights than Biden’s.
So, back to your question.
The flaw is in assuming there was another option other than the LEV scenario playing out, and that the Palestinian people who were not US citizens had a vote here. They did not. They do not have enough power, militaristicly speaking, to have autonomy over their own region, and are unfortunately at the mercy of Israel and their close allies (e.g. the USA right now), to control their fate/future.
They had some influence, in the form of Palestinian Americans and allies who could have voted and chosen a less evil/less terrible path ahead, and they flubbed things in the name of making a point. A point that has had little to no impact, and in fact has galvanized a lot of Americans and the world against them because their poor decision during the US election is going to affect everyone in the world. There is nowhere they can run to, or will be safe from the reach of trump’s US imperialism.
Your question is therefore flawed. It assumes the Palestinian people had any option other than Kamala to give them the best possible scenario forward. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the world, and the facts of the situation. Just because we all agree that having “no choice” sucks and isn’t fair, doesn’t mean refusing to vote and letting the worst option (by far) on the table win is anything more than disappointingly idiotic.
And that’s where we’re at now.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all.
Here you assume that there are no Palestinian Americans, very racist.
Those that are US citizens chose to throw away their vote so they’re in the same camp as those who are not US citizens.
Here you claim that Palestinians that didn’t vote for Kamala are US citizens, but you don’t consider them to be US citizens… more racism.
Palestinian people who were US citizens chose the worse of the two options
Here you claim that Palestinians don’t know what is best for them, which is more racism.
the Palestinian people who were not US citizens had a vote here
More racism by you attempting to claim that there aren’t Palestinian Americans.
They do not have enough power, militaristicly speaking, to have autonomy over their own region, and are unfortunately at the mercy of Israel and their close allies (e.g. the USA right now), to control their fate/future.
Weird how you could have voted for someone else that didn’t support genocide & unconditional support of Israel, which would have given them more autonomy but you chose not to.
Palestinian Americans and allies who could have voted and chosen a less evil/less terrible path ahead, and they flubbed things in the name of making a point
Weird how you claim to always know what is best for them. Just like the white man always knows what is best for African Americans. Very racist of you.
So people have no right to their property, their owned real estate? Hmmm, lets try this in another failed state, the US.
Predictable, but even so.
Not surprising to say the least. Just have to wonder how bad will it get.
Edit: well that didn’t take long. https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-gaza-ceasefire-should-end-saturday-if-hostages-not-released-2025-02-10/
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn’t vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump’s Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
Found one of the dipshits!
I called it. Powers that be want that beachfront property.
