Motherfucker WON THE PRIMARY, he is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE. Like fuck off “establishment” democrats the fucking establishment is Fascist
Liberalism is just thinly veiled conservatism, when a true leftist emerges the “progressive” party always shows its true face. You can never truly be a progressive party if you exclusively serve the oligarchy while telling the working class you actually support them.
I voted blue in the last election purely because I saw the danger of trump not because the candidates represented my ideas.
Fuck that not again, my vote can be earned though ideological alignment, no more “well at least they aren’t the opponent” bullshit. Be goddamn progressive or don’t get votes (at least mine).
God forbid they support a candidate who’s actually popular with democratic voters…
Why support the party when they don’t support their nominee? I mean, I know ultimately why it’s a must, but there must be punishment for the establishment.
The party is supporting him for fucks sake…
Stop treating random shitty neoliberals as “the party” when their wing was just kicked out of the DNC.
The people you want to “punish” were voted out of leadership in the last DNC election, by the voting members of the DNC…
8 months ago I’d be right beside you saying the same thing, but that already happened 6 months ago.
Like, how do so many people pretend to care about this stuff but just don’t have any fucking idea what’s happening?
I think the problem is the way political parties are structured in the US. At the end of the day the thing that actually matters with a party is how its members behave in their respective offices. It’s how senators and congressmen vote, what bills the president champions and vetoes. For party officers people judge by what they can see and that’s mostly which candidates are receiving support and which aren’t.
So what are people seeing? They’re seeing the same politicians in office today as 6 months ago, voting the same way they always have, and many prominent Democrat politicians attacking Mamdani. Sure they can’t have changed who’s in office without an election happening, but that’s kind of the point, until that happens those people are the DNC to most people. In order to change that perception those politicians would need to be publicly kicked out of the party. Until people no longer see “Senator X (D) from Y” making headlines they are the DNC to most people.
Until people no longer see “Senator X (D) from Y” making headlines they are the DNC to most people.
This is so important I erased everything else I had typed…
We will not see billionaire owned media side with the current DNC or the people
We can not wait for something we know won’t happen.
It’s why I spend so much time explaining this same thing over and over again. We have to tell each other instead of hoping a billionaire will tell us how to get rid of billionaires.
I respect your efforts and understand you are doing this in good faith with a belief that change can in fact come from within the democratic party but I’m going to tell you that the democratic party is, foundationally, a capitalist, imperialist political project. You will never direct them away from the worst of their crimes because that is fundamentally what they exist to protect. No matter what you believe may change within the party leadership et al the party proper cannot and will not become what you are envisioning.
The platform you believe in is actually already the green party platform (if anyone would have bothered reading it) and I’d argue moving democratic party voters to the greens is a more viable strategy to achieve your aims than trying to force the democratic party itself to completely reject and invert its core ideology.
In my opinion we need to be doing much more than trying to organize behind electoral parties, but if thats what you believe is the solution then I want you to actually have the best chance to succeed in your goals. That pathway would be to invigorate the green party nationally and using that platform as a rallying call for the “democrats” who you believe are just waiting and hoping and fighting tirelessly for a socialist/in-any-way-left-leaning democratic party.
The dnc at this point should dissolve, allow all these “centrist and conservative democrats” to declare themselves republicans already, and actually give a space for some kind of even vaguely left party in america to take its place. The greens are the party you think the democrats should be, and I’d bet if you argued for them you’d have a whole lot more people who would be receptive and even give you a blank slate as far as their perception of the greens which you can help shape by being a representative of progressive empathy based politics. It saves you a ton of strife and headache while doing basically twice as much to expedite your desire political outcomes. There you will also have the benefit of not having to rebuild the party in your image, because the influx of support would be so large the new members would basically be able to lead the party in whatever direction they saw fit.
Genuinely. I’m trying to do more grassroots community organizing but if youre trying to do electoral politics within the current political climate you’re making your job much harder trying to convince both the dnc and just regular people that the democratic party will ever be different. At least consider splitting your efforts between both parties and see which one seems more responsive and interested in your ideas.
Not trying to bring down your efforts, I’m not even saying this article isn’t evidence of some minor reflection in the party, I just want to help you avoid fighting these battles over the issue and give another potential outlet for your work. I believe you have good political instincts and want whats best for people, and I want you to have the best chance at achieving your goals expeditiously.
but I’m going to tell you that the democratic party is, foundationally, a capitalist, imperialist political project. You will never direct them away from the worst of their crimes because that is fundamentally what they exist to protect. No matter what you believe may change within the party leadership et al the party proper cannot and will not become what you are envisioning.
There’s ~400 people that vote for chair, and if a Dem be ones president they just vote for who the president said to.
That means if Ken lets a fair primary and AOC runs…
Shed likely pick the next chair, then the next cuz you know she’d get re-elected.
That’s almost a decade. During which time some of those ~400 are going to be replaced and while slow it’s been trending left and this would accelerate it.
But as long as a good D keeps winning, they can keep naming chairs, and thus control of the entire political apparatus
The dnc at this point should dissolve
This is the absolute worst time since FDR’s super majorities to dissolve the party. Before we can do that we need to change the system that gives so much power to the parties.
The party is a weapon and we’ve finally got it by the handle and the pointy end aimed at the shitty people.
We can’t break it when we’re literally fighting fascism and parties are insanely powerful.
First we squash the modern Republican party, then when we have the overwhelming supermajority under a D, we can change the system.
We can’t skip the part where parties aren’t necessary before dismantling our own party. And to do that we need a progressive super majority.
It’s gonna take a couple elections.
The party is supporting him for fucks sake…
It’s good to see that Ken Martin isn’t attacking Mamdani, but Schumer and Jefferies are refusing to endorse him. You can’t say the party is supporting Mamdani when its two highest ranking members, both representatives from Mamdani’s city, are withholding their endorsement.
Stop treating random shitty neoliberals as “the party” when their wing was just kicked out of the DNC.
The people you want to “punish” were voted out of leadership in the last DNC election, by the voting members of the DNC…
I’m really struggling to understand why you believe this. The party just kicked Davie Hogg out of leadership for threatening entrenched power, and Ken Martin isn’t exactly fighting the neoliberal wing of the party either. One of the main differences between him and Ben Wikler, his main opponent for DNC chair, is that Martin wanted to continue taking money from, “good billionaires.” Even in the interview you shared, Martin goes out of his way to defend centrist and even conservative Democrats:
You win by bringing people into your coalition. We have conservative Democrats. We have centrist Democrats. We have labor progressives like me, and we have this new brand of Democrat, which is the leftist.
The neoliberal wing of the party is on the back foot right now, but they haven’t been kicked out. Many of them are trying to stage a comeback with Project 2029 and the Abundance Agenda, and plenty voting DNC members will support them. The fight for control of the party isn’t over; it’s barely started.
“Vote blue no matter who”, you hypocrites.
Here’s what the DNC chair (the literal Democratic establishment) is actually saying about Mamdani:
Amna Nawaz:
What do you take away from Zohran Mamdani’s New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?
Ken Martin:
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
Please don’t let billionaires trick you into disengaging from the party now that billionaires aren’t in control of it.
Please don’t let billionaires trick you into disengaging from the party now that billionaires aren’t in control of it.
(Don’t bury the lede)
Say that first and peoples eye glaze over…
People really really really don’t want to be told they fell for propaganda. And lots will stop reading immediately to reply that they didn’t.
Tack it on at the end and the only people who read that far will take it to heart instead of taking it as an insult.
I’m just scared by the time I get everyone on board with the new DNC it’ll flip again, seems to be the way shit goes.
