I had the misfortune of needing to attend a “Christian” university for a short while due to visa reasons in the US, the vomit inducing cult speak they do at every opprtunity at a institute that’s about education and science was appalling, imagine the kids who have to grow up in such an environment, no wonder the country is so fucked up right now
I once had a study partner who was raised like that. We were scheduling our first after school study session and trying to figure out time. I shoot out sunday and he goes “nah I have church, wait don’t you have church?” “nah, I’m an atheist”
dude vanished. Three days later I notice him trying to like… hide in a hoodie towards the opposite side of the class. I walk over, worried I offended him or something. He basically tells me that he can’t interact with satanists and I just go “look, if you don’t wanna interact with me, don’t. You don’t have to hide in a corner or try to avoid me. If you wanna draw the line at just existing in the same room, ok then.”
To his credit, he did try to have a study session with me after that, but I had to end it early. The dude was so on edge, it was like he was convinced I was gonna stab him at any moment.
Years later he contacted me to apologize out of the blue on facebook. Went completely off grid traveling the world. My guess trying to compensate for just how little he knew of it.
Well at least he kept to himself, I met a guy in university who asked for my number to invite me to a soccer game and then kept texting me to join his prayer group until I blocked his number
Religious leaders there openly brag about having gold shoes and private jets…
Christians are indoctrinated from childhood to obey any authority that speaks the way their pastor does, and to ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears to believe what they are told.
So it’s always awkward interacting with Christians, i can correct some of their shitty behavior by explaining how it would hurt them, but the conversation that their core beleifs are a control mechanism abused by conmen is impossible to broach.
It makes me sad because religion is so important to so many people, but it wouldn’t be if they weren’t indoctrinated against their will as children.
I grew up Christian in a place where most people were atheist, went to a Christian school, where about half the students were Christian and the other was atheist, then moved to different places all over. My experience through all of that was always: Regular people in either group mostly don’t give a shit and just want to live their own lives. The “Christians” you see on TV are not normal people.
I grew up agnostic/atheist in the Bible Belt. There was a lot of casual discrimination, ostracism, and judgement if you weren’t Christian. Even among different churches. I’d have loved for there have been more Christians like you, but unfortunately the TV/Fox News Christians are all over the place down there.
I’ve never been to the US, but from what I’ve heard, I don’t doubt for a second that the climate is a bit more aggressive over there.
Yea. Those types don’t just exist on TV, they are everyday people in our communities for some of us. To just say they aren’t “normal” erases the lived experiences of those who live where these mentalities are still very much the norm for that locality.
How does saying that such hostile treatment is abnormal “erase” anyone’s lived experiences?
If you tell someone who lived only eating one meal a day during elementary school that they did not have a normal childhood, you are directly commenting ON their “lived experience”, not erasing it.
You seem to be conflating “that’s not normal” with “that never happens”, which is not reasonable.
The weird shit on tv is incredibly common in the south
I still think it’s proportionally right to say “that’s not normal”. Maybe it’s normal in the Southern United States, but it’s definitely not normal compared with the rest of Christendom.
30-40% in the US believe in young earth creationism
Not the fringest of beliefs. I find the whole ken ham “science is wrong” thing bizarre. But I think the “it was created old” view holds more water
Like 40% of the US are. It may not be their primary focus or how they actually live their lives but their views align and they will absolutely sell your children out to the Nazis or see you murdered if it aligns with what tv tells them.
Why do you care if they are the kind of folks who would start the lynching if they are the folks who would hang out and drink lemonade while you choke your life away?
I am a Christian and figured that out as well. I just see it as an American problem. But it’s concerning seeing churches perform Bethel/Hillsong/Elevation music not realising how sketchy those places are. I worry it’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, that people will maybe see some Hillsong or bethel teaching and think “they must be reputable, as we sing their music in Church!”
One of my best friends is christian and I didn’t even know for years because it wasn’t relevant and they are a reasonable person.
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The only winning move is not to play.
This is actually what I dread if I date a non-Westerner. Sure, there are secular religious people who have sex before marriage, but they could change their tune if they find out I am agnostic atheist.
I’m as atheist as they come (I’m actually anti-theist in a lot of ways but I’m not militant about it) and I live in a very Red, very “Christian” area of the country, but with a couple of exceptions I haven’t had too many problems with “Christians” in face to face encounters, though they are often very judgemental people and I don’t particularly like associating with them. Still I haven’t had to pull out my Halberd once.
The only real way “Christians” negatively impact my life is when they vote in laws that requires non-“Christians” to follow their interpretation of their religion and/or try to impose their religious views on me such as making the display of “The Ten Commandments” (one of them anyway) a requirement in our public schools, which they do in my state with frequency.
Actual Christians are much more rare and I get along with them a lot better. These people actually follow with Jesus teachings (within reason) and don’t try to force their beliefs onto others. My mom was one such person in her later years and she was the best person I ever met in my life (before and after being more religious).
It takes all kinds. What’s much more important to me than what you believe is how you behave.
"Which one?“
When I was on dating apps, I specifically filtered out anyone with religious beliefs (other than Buddhists, because they seemed inoffensive to me).
Got a selfie with a cross on your necklace? Nope. Same for women with photos with guns, anyone with an American flag, and any woman posing leaning against the hood of a sports car. There are telltale signs that we have different values. Honestly, I appreciate your advertising that we aren’t compatible and saving me the effort finding out on my own.
women with photos with guns
any woman posing leaning against the hood of a sports car
We sure have different values
Perhaps. I think guns are something to be handled with care, not something to enjoy as a hobby. I think sports cars are a waste of money because, realistically, you’ll be driving on city streets with speed limits in most cases.
I have a comfortable sedan because the pan taught me that I can’t rely on ride-shares and mass transit in a once-in-a-lifetime (we hope) emergency. I barely drive it. It’s a tool. And I don’t own guns because I think they’re dangerous and I’m prone to bouts of depression (I’m bi-polar). Anyone who thinks these are cool or part of their identity is not someone I want as a life partner. Even without being judgmental about these things, they signal different priorities from my own.
Now a someone with a full bookshelf in the background is another thing entirely. Or playing musical instruments. Or out in nature. These are things I value.
You know, as reasonable as it is, the last paragraph does sound totally corny. I’d be fine dating someone who’s not as much of a nerd as me, or is a nerd in a different way like movies.
Especially the bookshelf part, since in my experience, a lot of people with piles of books don’t read them (I gave the worse ones away), and making a dating app pic in a library isn’t the first thing that comes to mind.
A Christian girl once told me that she couldn’t date me because I was a non believer. I could tell it hurt her to say it, but it seemed like genuine conviction.
It’s a shame, because she was lovely.
She’s pretty based
Dodged a bullet there
Sad when people let superstitions prevent them from living the life they want.
Bullet dodged.
ITT: The most obnoxious type of fedora-wearing atheism. Makes me feel nostalgic for early reddit…
Oh did I say nostalgic? I meant nauseous.
I find the fedora bois on here
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That’s false, the creator of this comic is just trying to spread hate
It’s funny being a socialist who doesn’t believe in god. I actually support the things Jesus taught becoming law, and Christians argue the most against it.
That’s because Jesus’s teachings are tenets of common decency.
Personally, I’m an atheist (anti-theist to be more precise), but I’ll say that in my experience catholic christians tend to be less culty than protestant christians. Probably has something to do with the part that catholics believe that they actually have to be good vs protestants believing that simply believing is all you need.
Similarly, I’m an antitheist pagan. it’s fun.
Idk, Catholic services and practices are waaaay cultier than protestant ones. I mean, they all have pictures in their homes of the same white guy wearing a giant ceremonial hat and robe who lives in his own special nation. As a firm agnostic, I don’t have a horse in this race, but my experience differs greatly from yours. They’re all mild hobbyists compared to evangelicals anyway.
Cultish practices vary from church to church, but there’s way more protestant cults than catholic ones.
And I mean proper cults, where they know how loony they seem, so they try to seem more normal to potential members. Then they love bomb newcomers, before inviting them to the special wednesday meetings where they promise supernatural powers if the newcomer is humiliated before the group and love bombed again when they’re most vulnerable. Last step is making them cut ties with non-believers and ostracizing any apostates.
Catholic King making infallible decrees is harmless compared to that.
Yeah, those are tiny. There are millions and millions of Catholics in every nook and cranny of the Western world, and plenty of Eastern crannies as well. The previous POTUS, often called the “leader of the free world” was Catholic. If you think the opinion of the Vatican holds no sway over the course of society, you must have never seen any videos or photographs of the massive hoards of people standing beneath the papal balcony all the fucking time, just trying to get a glimpse of some geriatric virgin in a stupid outfit giving a pointless speech in a language they probably don’t understand. Confession is basically just emotional blackmail and psychic self-flagellation, not to mention they famously created the biggest pedophilia ring in known human history. Idk dude, seems pretty bad. And this is without even looking at the Wikipedia page, I can’t imagine the innumerable horrors committed on humankind over the last two millennia in the name, and by the power, of the Catholic Church.
It’s debatable if those cults are even protestant (some don’t even fall under historical Christianity) as protestants are continuing groups that came out of the reformation, believing the Roman Church erred (Think Episcopal/Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutherans, Moravians, etc. They all stem from the pre reformation Catholic Church), while a lot of culty groups are like “yeah the past 2000 years the church was wrong so we are starting over again” (restorationists). But even them, some groups are still recognisably Christian (Baptists, most Pentecostals, non denomonational) believing in the historical Christian doctrine of the Trinity and the sacraments. Then you get the spinoff groups such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. And then there are the in betweeners such as Quakers and SDAdventists where it’s debatable.
Okay I’m just infodumping now. This isn’t relevant.
No, it’s relevant actually. I called them protestant, but the OG Lutherans aren’t a branch of Catholicism, so why would Pentecostals be a branch of protestantism? Yeah, they’re still anti-pope, but they also found enough problems with the established protestants to split off and start something else.
I don’t know if there’s a term for the wave of new denominations in the last century, if it’s even a single wave at all. Revivalism? And is there a common theme in that wave that leads to cults? Or should we say that the cults are a wave in themselves, caused by some other shift in the zeitgeist? Because as much as I’d like to blame pentecostalism for cultish beliefs (and I think I could make that argument), it could also be a general secularization that strips communities to their cultish cores.
Then you get Anglicans and Lutherans which are Protestants but have Catholic practices
catholics believe that they actually have to be good vs protestants believing that simply believing is all you need
Wtf ?
yes, seriously. this is a massive oversimplification, of course, but this is one of the major important differences between catholicism and protestantism.
Well
No.
And there is no “big protestantism”
A doctrine of Catholicism is that you need good works as well as faith in order to get into Heaven. When Martin Luther broke away and started the Protestant movement, one of the big changes he made was to drop the “good works” part so that faith alone is sufficient to get into Heaven. (As I understand it, the argument behind this is that Jesus saves us from all of our sins already so therefore it does not matter how good or bad we are during our lives as long as we have faith.)
Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask? [Motions towards where the divine should be]
