What the actual fuck. How much farther does this fascist piece of shit have to go before people realize we will not vote our way out of this mess and the only chance we have to stop this madness is to put our lives on the line and fight for what is right. Not just posting about it, or going to marches supported by the controlled opposition party funded by the same billionaires who fund and support this demagogue. Polite non violent demonstrations do not threaten the power structure while they continue to violently suppress any meaningful change. We are at least 5 phases into the same journey of fascism Germany underwent almost a century ago. And everyone is too fucking worried about mowing their lawns, working for garbage wages at jobs they mostly hate and watching their favorite TV shows to face the reality of what is actually happening.
I guess criminalizing homelessness and protest in one fell swoop, while allowing the authorities to throw people into prison labor camps is one way to distract from the Epstein files as well as bring back slavery and keep the corporations going once the economy collapses.
I would argue the Epstein scandal is the distraction here not the other way around. He’s also signing a lot of shady tech legislation we should all be frightened by.
Nah, criminalizing homelessness had been the plan for a while.
Well, of course, but the timing is convenient. And including ‘loitering’ without elaboration is going to be used by any sufficiently unscrupulous law enforcement to target protests that do not have permits.
If most people had a time machine, they say they’d kill hitler. But they aren’t thinking of the logistics of it. You have to know where hitler was at a specific time.
Quick question, where was hitler on June 14th 1905 at 3:30pm? Oh, don’t feel bad for not knowing. It wasn’t a reference to anything important. Nothing notable happened at that time.
But if you went back to that exact time, and tried to kill young hitler, where do you go? Where is he?
If I had a time machine, I’d go back to the 1980s. And ask my mom "Hey, what would happen if the united states had fascist confinement camps they sent undesireables to?
And she would tell me I was being obtuse.
And then I’d come back the next day. And the next day. And the next.
Every day asking the same question.
Why? Because do that for 20 years without context, and she’ll always think you’re insane. Then around the year 2000 the visits from future me stop.
She will never forget 20 years being annoyed with the same question. She won’t be able to deny she rejected the concept as being unrealistic.
And then in modern day, just once, I need to show her the news. The actual real life news. And ask her the question again. Except now I look exactly like that long lost relative that visited her every day in the 80s and asked her about president trump, and fascism, and camps.
She would FINALLY be able to admit her son knew something she didn’t. My mom isn’t maga. She’s just a stubborn narcisist boomer, who thinks she knows all and can’t ever fathom the possibility of unrealistic outcomes coming to pass.
I remember reading in school about the black plaugue epidemic. And I asked her (in the 90s), what if a global black plauge epidemic came back in our life?
I was told to stop being stupid. My mom is still alive, and doesn’t remember saying that. I wonder if she remembers the year 2020.
Point is, we all need to collectively admit the united states is at this point just as fascist as Germany in 1937. I say 1937, because at that point they were fascist, but they hadn’t yet started a war. They didn’t have concentration camps, but they had confinement camps.
Sound firmiliar?
Hey mom? What would happen if the USA became a mirror image of 1940s Germany?
“stubborn narcissistic Boomer” is the default of the entire generation, regardless of other characteristics.
Jumping straight to using violence gives these people false justification to let the military off the chain. Everyone who is not a fucking idiot knows this, so is trying to get control back where it matters: in the populace first.
If you want to be an absolute fucking idiot, go ahead and start something.
Then they get to kill all of us with zero consequences. Thanks for helping them with that
What?
They see pur existance as “violent”
Being non-violent just allows ICE to kill you with ZERO consequences. You know that.
Just go wait at the train station already dude holy fuck
So what do you propose? Weekend parades have predictably done nothing to stop or even weaken the Trump regime.
Taking back the electorate has been the only way to successfully disarm these false nationalist movements. You need to change minds and reduce their support before any types of altercations will seem worth it to justifiable to the people putting their lives on the line. Being in the minority of a specific skirmish and not having popular support just gets you and your supporters dead. Eroding any kind of support your opponent has FIRST is the necessary path.
Eroding any kind of support your opponent has FIRST is the necessary path.
That’s an impossible condition. Even the worst, least competent governments out there have some popular support, and the whole point of fascism is that it uses populist rhetoric to appeal to uninformed people in economic and social uncertainty. You might get a majority of the populace on your side, but support for fascism will never go below 30% or so. Also the majority of America is already opposed to fascism; their opposition is just too milquetoast to actually amount to anything. Turning that knob is the clearest and most reliable path to victory, certainly more reliable that convincing fascists that fascism is bad, actually. Also, people don’t rally behind a cause that doesn’t exist; you need to actually do things before you can expect people to join you. They don’t need to be drastic things, but convincing people that action is possible and productive is the first step to getting anything done.
It’s literally happening right now…how is it impossible?
But what are we going to do,
peacefully protestloiter?enforce prohibitions on urban camping and loitering;
Editing to clarify:
If every unpermitted protest is deemed loitering, then it does not matter if people ‘start something’ because they will get scooped up, and thrown into jail for expressing their first amendment rights.
I don’t know how long it will take for the courts to clarify/nuke the clause, but it’ll be enough time that plenty of people will lose their jobs for just trying to express their rights.Jumping straight to using violence
I know everyone is brought up on movies and video games but the next step after “writing letters and standing around with signs” is not charging the White House guns blazing. That’s stupid.
The next steps are actual protests. I’m talking about stopping production, stopping things from working, blocking roads, blocking government. Shut. It. Down.
That is the next step. Leave the guns at home (for now).
Why doesn’t the rest of the world sanction the US?
Because they’re complicit. Having money and power is part of being in the big club, and we’re all not in it.
That too, but also it’s the bad part of being the strongest country in the world; nobody has any interest in antagonizing your government when it goes off the rails.
we will not vote our way out of this mess
Probably true at this point. However, we did vote our way into it. This was precisely the kind of thing people pointed out as a pretty good reason not to let Trump come to power, even if (whatever much more minor complaint about Kamala Harris.) And then people on Lemmy yelled at them and called them stupid.
There are wait lists for people willing to get inpatient treatment and not nearly enough staff, beds, or money to cover them already. So you know they aren’t going somewhere to get treatment or get better. They also can’t be held indefinitely so will probably cycle in and out of 72 hour psych holds and jail more frequently, building up more aggressive fines and never forming any permanent housing or job or mental health improvement.
They’re going to be sent to labor camps to harvest the crops that are currently dying on the vine due to the bullshit “deportations.”
They also can’t be held indefinitely
Why? Because there’s laws against holding someone indefinitely? Laws haven’t stopped this administration from doing anything else, I doubt it will stop them from tossing these people into tents in the [swamp | desert | ocean].
I actually just fucking threw up.
It’s not just homeless this affects. This is anyone who “poses a risk to themselves or others in mental health crises.”
We are at the “if I can’t see it, it’s not a problem” stage.
ensure that discretionary grants … fund evidence-based programs and do not fund programs that fail to achieve adequate outcomes, including so-called “harm reduction” or “safe consumption” efforts that only facilitate illegal drug use and its attendant harm
I’m glad he’s promoting evidence-based programs like harm reduction, safe use sites, housing first policies, and doubling down on banning non-consentual admital to asylums and rehab centers instead of those arbitrary leftist ideas of harm reduction, safe use sites, housing first policies, and doubling down on banning non-consentual admital to asylums and rehab centers.
Also there’s a fair bit in their about sex crimes which is ironic coming from a sex crime afficionado who’s definitely on the Epstein list for sex criming children.
The sex crimes stuff is so they can detain LGBTQ youth and issue them whatever the yellow badge equivalent will be.
That was 💯 my thought while reading it as well.
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Let’s list the targeted messages here:
- voting doesn’t matter
- americans should be in a civil war, start it.
- democrats are the same as republicans
- participate in violence
Uh… you think you’re going to vote your way out of concentration camps? Because if so that’s straight up delusional.
Voting matters.
Understanding how you may be influenced by online commenters to not vote, or to throw away your vote, matters.
the psyops becomes clear when you lay it out so plainly like this. nice work
First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out because I was not an immigrant
Then they came for the homeless, and I did not speak out because I was not homeless.How many more lines does the poem need before you speak out?
It is time to disobey. Show them their authority is only valid as long as we grant that it is such. Show them in the most direct way possible.
You first.
No shit, right. OP is a master of irony.
This is the “no u” level of counter-argument.
I read something about it mostly being about drug rehab programs, and sex offender programs.
He’s probably just wants to claim he reduced homelessness, so that he can have something that gives more distance for the Epstein files.
When we’re still asking the question “why?” we’re stuck in disbelief and denial about the reality we’re in.
1/3 of the country is aware and cares, but is too atomized and disempowered to act meaningfully. 1/3 are too comfortable and attached to their slipping consumer entitlement to take risks for the sake of anyone else. 1/3 have channeled their entitlement and/or immiseration into enthusiastic support for what’s happening.
I’m with you, but the reality is that the majority of the country would shake their heads and go back to watching Netflix rather than do anything while you’re being dragged to the camps.
