Grassroots organization will save us.
The hostages are excited to choose their brand of chains.
Yes go after the dems for being complicit with thr Trump regime and also being shitty people themsevles who are intentionallh suroessing the left wing candidates.
But im also enjoying the petty trolling of Trump and dont mind giving Newsom a little bit of approval for it.
Hillary Clinton was up 17 points two years out, there’s plenty of time to fuck this up
if Burnie succeeded in anything, it’s getting the party to at least pretend to be leftist on paper occasionally. accepting the top candidate before the primary is a mistake. make them earn your vote.
Libs are too chicken shit to do that. They’d rather just harass anyone with the mindset of “earn my vote or you don’t get it”.
I just can’t wait for the protest vote to fuck us again and give us two more years of destruction and erosion of rights.
Then why doesn’t the Democratic Party listen to the protest vote? Are these people too insignificant to care about or so powerful they cost the election, which is it?
Just note it’s best to take our idealism to the primaries- it’s the most effective it will ever be in a race to convince the electorate and the party that internal change needs to happen. It’s hard to make those arguments in the general election because many, many people will move from idealism to pragmatism and are more willing to swallow bitter pills.
Also protest and burn things so take note of that.
“Protest and burn things, but don’t protest or burn your vote otherwise we’ll yell at you for years for using your rights”
Lol
No like vote wisely, or sure don’t, but still commit arson. It’s the gentlemen’s crime after all. All I’m saying is I’m pro arson. Please burn things.
If Newsone wants your vote he has 2 years to come up with better policies. Lol but he’s not going to do that. If he wanted your vote he’d rep your positions but he wants to rep other interests.
I think it’s more like the people who say things like “I’ll never vote for a transphobe like Gavin Newsom” when that makes you a Republican.
That obviously does not make you a Republican
Here we go again. I guess this is just classic neoliberal psy-op at this point, trying to guilt people into voting against their own best interest just one more time bro.
Yes, it’s good Newsom is doing anything at all to fight back against Trump’s fascist takeover. No, he will not represent you if he gets elected, he will represent his corporate donors.
Corporations are already crushing us and taking us for all we have left. Don’t help their cause, find someone to support who isn’t beholden to monied interests instead.
find someone to support who isn’t beholden to monied interests instead.
FIND SOMEONE GUYS. WE JUST GOTTA FIND SOMEONE.
They’re out there, many of them inspired to newly join politics in the face of democratic leadership’s utter weakness in this moment. You won’t find them on CNN or MSNBC though.
I’m still backing Jon Stewart until someone gives me a better idea… Love him, but really, get me excited about somebody else when they turn up. I’m ready.
He won’t run.
In fact, most anyone you’d want in the job would not actually go for the job. The only people that would want that job are either too dumb to understand how impossible a job it is to do right, or corrupt enough not to even care so long as they can exploit it, or both. A very rare breed that would be self-sacrificing enough to want the job and execute it well and for the good of the people.
To be clear, I was and am one of the ones saying the people who didn’t vote out of protest or not bothering contributed to the current regime.
But yes, right now is exactly the time to start going after the Dems. Now is the time to support progressives. Now is the time for shitting on the Chuck Schumers and try to push them out of office. There is little those on the left can do to persuade the current regime, but on the off-chance there are legitimate-ish elections next year or in three years, either shifting the Dems left or replacing them with a viable Left Party is the thing we should do right now.
In other words, now is not the time for the lesser evil.
But later when there’s another shit-neolib candidate is?
Yes. When you end up with only two choices, not choosing means “both are equally bad.” So do everything you can to get better candidates before that point. Or uproot the entire system. Or whatever. Beforehand.
Check this…there are other candidates. But I know how y’all feel about voting your conscience…
If you don’t want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Wait, wouldn’t it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone’s faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?
don’t you mean, not voting at all?
Isn’t it likely in your opinion that if it isn’t for whoever you decide is best it’s the same thing?
No
That’s good. The Dems won’t be getting any more of my votes
Yeah the difference is the people who vote for Trump will kill me with their vote out of stupidity, and/or maliciousness. Those who do not vote will kill me simply to feel superior to those who vote.
Those who do not vote will kill me simply to feel superior to those who vote.
They are privileged to not need a sense of urgency or get respite. Its easy to keep your sense of purity and wait around when your not under siege.
Putting the onus on me to find someone is all well and good, but are you really OK with settling for Newsom?
Why don’t we look together for someone more palatable?
Why don’t we look together for someone more palatable?
And we should. I often talk about this on Lemmy. But many of my fellow lemms and lefties here would rather just skip out on the work it takes yo build a movement. Then they wonder why they aren’t seriously represented.
Owning my shit…what I’m working on involves burning this fraudulent system, reeducation, and ditching private property and capitalism. Your next blue fool will never be a step towards that. This neoliberal fauxmockracy is most of the problem, not the popular fools they put on ballots.
Your next blue fool will never be a step towards that.
Its rather privileged of you to not see why harm minimization is important. In many casese that is all that will be possible.
Like I said in my comments, building a movement takes time and even agreed with you that we should work together, yet you hit me with this dismissive reply. I’m already trying to work with you and you’re shutting down before starting. Do you wonder why you don’t have any coalition after decades?
I live on and off the streets and have my entire life. I love that privilege. It’s awfully privileged of you to make assumptions about myself and my day to day conditions. Could we perhaps stick to the issues? I want actual material conditions to improve. Point me to a blue fool who’s worked towards that in my lifetime (c. 1970). Gavin ‘criminalize homelessness’ Newsom? Yeah, I’ll work on my own ‘harm minimization’ thank you. The system is working as designed but you keep working on reforming the blue chews! I don’t expect to form any coalitions with them because I’m not trying. In my opinion ‘the left’ starts at a rejection of capitalism which is antithetical to these corporate owned neolib figureheads. But I’m just an old poor with no safety net, what do I know?
The material conditions are that the revolution isn’t happening simultaneously. Even as our progressive movement grows not everyone will have one to vote for. A blue fool is still a lot better than a red one.
I don’t expect to form any coalitions with them because I’m not trying.
Well I rest my case, but remember that next time no one wants to work with you on any given topic and your wondering why no one has a platform you like (even in part)
I DO NOT THINK WORKING WITH BLUE MAGA-LITE IS A SOLUTION WORTH PURSUING. I KNOW WHY I THINK THAT. I’M NEVER GOING TO BE SETTING AROUND WONDERING. The Revolution has been in the works since 1776, it’s beginning to culminate. Either vote or revolt, I never thought ’d see any progress in my lifetime so things are looking awesome in regards to that. Sorry y’all fucked everything up so much. Vote harder.
Right back at you self righteous punk, stop preaching and get to work
The meme seems to directly contradict the post title there
Not once have I ever had anyone giving me shit about bringing up Newsom’s transphobia respond to the fact that LGBTQ political leaders and rights organizations within California, some of which have been fighting for LGBTQ rights for decades, immediately condemned his statements. Those people and organizations are all just too stupid and idealistic to understand how politics works, I guess. 🙄
You’d think a ‘liberal/leftist’ screaming at a trans person to shut the fuck up about transphobia would cause some cognitive dissonance, but nope, not even a little.
It would be great if they spent even 1/10th the energy putting pressure on Newsom to stop being a fucking transphobe.
2 years is plenty of time for democrats to get the message ‘i will not vote for anything but a progressive proven to run on progressive policies.’
I hope so. The problem is the Democratic Party would rather lose again than fight for universal healthcare, federally mandated maternity leave, childcare programs, ending genocide, etc. ; and the democratic voters would rather vote blue no matter who than lose to the Republican Party again. So we end up with these establishment corporation oligarchy-asskissing candidates.
if that’s the case then nobody should vote for any democrat. because at that point they are not controlled opposition, they are just controlled. and the face will have run its course and actual action would hopefully follow
It’s funny because Kyle Kulinski called it a couple years ago that the dem party would probably coalesce behind Gavin Newsom even though he’s still just a corrupt neolib.
Because.
Because he is a corrupt neolib.
I’m starting to come around on Gavin, his Blue MAGA routine signals to me that the Democrats have finally given up on “When they go low, we go high.”
That said he needs to walk back his transphobia if I’m going to actually support him.
Ideally I’d want someone closer to AOC, not AOC herself sadly because America has made it clear they will not vote for a woman.
“America has made it clear they will not vote for a woman.”
So far America has made it clear they won’t vote for an establishment robot who refuses to acknowledge the pain that most of the country is in when there’s a funny clown dancing on the other side of the ballot, and they’ve done so twice. The gender of the robot is irrelevant here.
They tried a warcriminal and “how would your administration be different from a Biden administration” “Well I would have a republican in my cabinet”.
That isn’t America saying they won’t vote for a woman, its the dem base saying they won’t vote for a republican.
America had the chance to get Trump out of the news cycle forever and didn’t take it. That’s how much they hate women.
No shot would Trump be out of the news cycle if he lost; things would continue to deteriorate as the dems continued Trump’s policies again, while claiming to be powerless to help their constituents, meanwhile Trump would running for 2028, probably not even from prison, the dems would bring up Trump every chance they have.
We know that because thats what happened last time a conservative dem won.
What are you talking about? Under Biden we had FOUR GLORIOUS YEARS of Trump being irrelevant… but then he had to go and win the damn nomination for 2024 then went on to win the the whole thing.
we had FOUR GLORIOUS YEARS of Trump being irrelevant
he was pulling the strings in congress, blocking the immigration bill, for instance.
not AOC herself sadly because America has made it clear they will not vote for a woman.
Let’s support the most qualified person regardless of the demographics. If we are only willing to nominate straight white men, then we can’t complain when marginalized groups don’t vote for the Democratic party. The fact that Obama was elected twice shows that it is possible.
