the post I had commented this on was deleted so I’m going to put it here for no reason.
I hold the following opinions:
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political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn’t create the intended effects.
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charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i’m glad he shut the fuck up.
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there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.
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his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don’t think about them at all.
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There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise. To say there is none is a violators way of ensuring they can continue to violate unchecked. Tagging politics as a motivator for such violence is also a misdirection. Hate is not political, race is not political. What makes them seem political is the fact that they are accepted and pushed by our elected officials. Those officials fully believe they are and should be immune to any repercussions for what they do and say. This belief is what gives them the will to ignore the protests and laws on the books that go against their wishes. What other option does anyone have but to show them in the strongest way possible that they are destroying everything they touch?
There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise.
Blessed are they who praise peace, for they shall bury the peacemakers.
They’ve really carved out a niche as being just outside the level of militancy that’s politically correct. Punk is back, I guess.
Well, the Right is trying to make Kirk into a new Horst Wessel figure, so I’m registering this is as a based attempt to keep the Overton Window at its current position.
Free speech, bitches.
He needs a more Murican martyr name: Instead of Horst Wessel, how about Horse Asshole.
Mock away, the dude was fash trash.
Enjoyer of political violence falls victim to political violence. Oh no! /s
If these guys were themselves pacifists who prided themselves on giving every idea a fair hearing, I guess I would have a problem with any assassinations. As it is, there’s just one side trying to unilaterally manifest a certain level of civility. One that unfortunately doesn’t seem to exist.
DONT MOCK TOO HARD OR YOURE CENSORED
Anyways, only good nazi is feeding sunflowers.
TF?! If that happened to you FordBeeblebrox I’m surprised my post (which included verbatim quotes from thumb no-head baby teeth) wasn’t also taken down. 🤷🤷🤷
Mine was “death death to the IDF,” the slogan Bob Vylan (ya know, the group mentioned in the OP article) was most in the news for recently.
Fucking delete it again and ban me, I ain’t gonna stop chanting it. Just cause it’s a theme song don’t make it not true
Is cuma liomsa foc faoi aon Gharda!
Hey Charlie have you heard this one? *bang!
Based
Fuck Charlie and death death to the IDF!
A pogrom is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group, usually applied to attacks on Jews.
I never seen this word before. I’m going to post it here just in case you haven’t either.
Good you learned a new word, but maybe take it as a sign you need to read more history
There’s more to history than just the Holocaust. And j say that as a Jew.
Hell yeah
So? There is a lot of people who did the same here on lemmy
And those people are quality people
Good for them.
Lynch your leaders.
The performance was held at the Paradiso Grote Zaal. The venue released a statement on Sunday saying it “believed in the power of artistic freedom”.
“Music – and especially punk – is an art form that traditionally magnifies anger, discontent, and injustice without a filter,” it said.
“In a world on fire, artists sometimes choose language that sounds confrontational or violent.”
Addressing the singer’s calls for the death of IDF troops, the venue said it shared “the outrage and concern surrounding the genocidal violence taking place in Gaza” and that “Bob Vylan’s raising his voice against this is legitimate and necessary”.
Punk has always been anti-fascist because fascists and punks compete for the same follower base, and overlap is unavoidable unless one side draws a very hard line about what’s acceptable.
The fascists want to be able to say whatever they want under 1st amendment, but have always lost their shit when people say the same shit about fascists the fascists say about innumerable target demographics.
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!
We are not used to venues that make reasonable statements without trying to slither out of every responsibility. This is pretty amazing.
“death death to the idf” =/= “death to idf troops”
and i’m tired of outlets reporting on it like it is. the man was saying the idf is a criminal organization that needs to be resisted and disbanded. yeah, that’s gonna result in some fighting because the idf are a violent and vile organization of oppressors, but in the context, “death death to the idf” is the only reasonable stance…
Has he clarified? Death is specifically a thing that happens to individuals, not organizations, so it does not read this way to me.
IDF is an org though, and he said death to that. it reads pretty clearly as bing about bringing about an end to the org to me an. the other read relies too heavily on a dictionary definition than on the types of allegory rappers engage in. but as you said, maybe that’s just me
Death is not specific to individuals.
