• LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Honest question: why were highly skilled Korean engineers working “illegally” in USA to begin with? Why didn’t they go through the process to get a worker’s visa or whatever?

    Another honest question: why do we have a scumbag for president? Who the hell voted for him anyway?

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      9 hours ago

      You have accidentally blamed the victims. It is common around the world for people to work abroad, and we almost always do what our bosses tell us. Our bosses, of course, understand the laws of the places where we’ll be working, and they tell us what papers to fill out for immigration and visa purposes. Every multinational company has several people in HR who are experts on this topic.

      So the real question to ask is, “Did their employers try to circumvent the law?” … I think probably the answer is no, but if you think the answer is yes, then you should immediately ask, “Why didn’t ICE arrest the employers, then?”

      Also, immigration violations are almost never illegal. They’re not crimes; they are civil infractions. Like parking tickets.

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      10 hours ago

      why were highly skilled Korean engineers working “illegally” in USA to begin with?

      Most of them say they had valid visas or work authorization.

      The U.S. has a visa waiver program where people can come into the U.S. without a visa, and have certain rights similar to visa holders. Many of the South Korean workers have taken the position that the visas they had that allowed them to work for 6 months, or the visa waivers they had entitled them to do temporary work for less than 90 days, and that they were within those time windows.

      The lawsuits being filed also allege that immigration officials acknowledged that many of the workers did have legal rights to work, but that they were deported anyway.

      So no, I don’t think it’s been shown that the workers did anything illegal. It really sounds like ICE fucked up by following a random tip a little too credulously.

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        4 hours ago

        This. All articles I’ve read that have interviews with the deported people concur that they had work visas or visa waivers. They weren’t in the US illegally because businesses that send employees overseas aren’t that stupid. ICE targeting them is just the dumbest thing they could do, and treating them as ICE did is currently being investigated in South Korea for human rights violations. Seriously you should read their accounts of their captivity, it’s horrific.

        I really hope Hyandai and LG tell the US to get stuffed.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    Lowest IQ president in U.S. history.

    Also a literal traitor to our nation, its Constitution, and democracy in general.

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    20 hours ago

    Pretty sure this is how racists determine a suitable client race. Abuse them & see if they come back for more.

    South Korea needs to tell the USA to pound sand & open those factories elsewhere.

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      14 hours ago

      Canada would be happy to host more production facilities, and treat them a hell of a lot better than the US too

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      16 hours ago

      They need to start by removing the support structure from the building itself, they should not have a working facility when it is seized.

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    22 hours ago

    To any foreign entities, companies, individuals who haven’t caught on to the obvious truth: You are not safe here, your investments are not secure here, any visas, treaties, contracts are all 100% revocable despite any perception that they are legally binding. Do not come here. Despite the fact that there are good and rational people fighting to change this, the hard fact is that we are flaming out, and there is no telling what destruction and chaos is coming.

    Just look at the destruction and chaos we perpetrated around the world when our society was at its height and our population had the most accommodating economic conditions in history.

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      14 hours ago

      our society was at its height and our population had the most accommodating economic conditions in history

      I think that’s the thing the populace isn’t feeling yet. It hasn’t impacted their comfort enough for them personally, yet. I never understood the mindset people had that led to “first they came for…”. I no longer have that naïveté, for I am seeing it unreeling in real time.

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        Well, yeah, the number of people even aware that this happened is probably small relative to the adult population, and the number of people aware enough to remember what you’re talking about if you asked them on the street is even smaller. Of course, there’s a lot of awful things of important magnitude happening at a faster pace than usual, so I can see how difficult it can be to keep track.

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    23 hours ago

    At this point, I wouldn’t blame any company that immediately ceased expansions in America and started to consider moving existing production facilities to adjacent countries, like Canada.

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    He really has got porridge for brains. It amazes me he can manage simultaneous walking and talking.

    Why on earth would foreign companies want to invest in the US right now? He is the one that’s making it less likely, there was plenty of foreign investment in the US under previous administrations then this moron came along and ruined it all.

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    He chickened out again?
    Pfft, a proper real man and leader would’ve gone down to that concentration camp and punched each one of those Koreans himself!!!

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      24 hours ago

      And then visited their parents. Popped in for a tea. Made some small talk.

      And theeen spat in their mothers face. And fuck their fathers in the ass.

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    Y’all acting like Trump personally ordered the raid and is suddenly backing up, TACO.

    Trump told ICE, “You’re weapons free, you got a quota.” And they went for it. Because of course they did.

    This is Trump screaming, “Not like THAT!” Which is somehow hilarious and horrifying at the same time.

    • SeriousMite@lemmy.world
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      23 hours ago

      A competent leader would apologize on behalf of the United States, whether it was his fault or not.

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      1 day ago

      The idiot leader was too stupid to provide contingencies. And the ICE goons are too stupid to understand them anyway.

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      1 day ago

      Well, the desk in the oval office used to have a simple plaque on it that said: “the buck stops here”.

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        Mother was a narcissist, not on Trump’s level, but I’ve never known another person so eat up with NPD. Impossible to overstate that these people cannot understand personal responsibility for their actions. Their failures are always someones else’s failures. They cannot fail.

        I was well into my 40s before it occurred to me, mother never once admitted fault or said she was sorry. Sure, some people act like that, sometimes, but you can tell they have a sense of guilt, a sense of wrongdoing. Sure, we’ve all know people who misdirect blame. A true narcissist cannot feel those emotions, cannot be wrong.

        Telling a lie is a falsehood you know is false. Trump has never lied. He believes every word that has ever come out of his mouth. It tears my brain apart every time he’s accused of lying or bending the truth. Anyone having a hard time with the notion I just described is suffering cognitive dissonance. Have fun with that, he can’t feel it. You can because you’re sane.

        Trump isn’t playing games. He isn’t a tactical or strategic genius. He’s simply a wealthy narcissist who struck political gold. He got dumb luck, like some of us do, and ran with it.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    When Foreign Companies who are building extremely complex products, machines, and various other ‘things,’ come into the United States with massive Investments, I want them to bring their people of expertise for a period of time to teach and train our people how to make these very unique and complex products, as they phase out of our Country, and back into their land," the president posted on Truth Social, adding “I don’t want to frighten off or disincentivize Investment into America by outside Countries or Companies. We welcome them, we welcome their employees, and we are willing to proudly say we will learn from them.”

    You know what’s missing there?

    An apology.