Famed Yale business guru Jeffrey Sonnenfeld said America’s top tycoons are freaked out by Trump’s ‘Maoist’ MAGA movement — despite some executives’ ‘Dear Leader’ praise in public
Maoism is more than just working class attacks on academia and culture. In fact that element of Maoism is borrowed from folks like Mussolini. Maoism also involves the regime being ostensibly socialist, includes long term planning, and largely revolves around rapid industrialization.
Maoism was a top-down industrial revolution at gunpoint, carried out by someone who had no idea what industrialization actually was. So the authoritarianism, the brutality and the ignorance are all characteristics shared by Trump. The only difference is the lip service to socialism.
Socialism 2. Long term planning 3. Rapid industrialization
Maoism is a way to move towards socialism, it is not however socialism it just contains aspects of it like many forms of government. The us also has socialist policies and thus socialist aspects.
The lie the admin is pushing is long term planning, they aren’t doing it but they’re certainly lying about doing it.
“Bring back the factories” is a literal cry for rapid industrialization.
So I ask again how are they effectively different. They may sell it to you in a different package but the contents are essentially the same and I’d argue the result would be largely the same.
You’re absolutely right. Any country that makes long term plans, seeks to develop it’s industrial base, and “has socialist aspects” (which I assume mean, “the government does stuff”) is Maoist.
Emperor Meiji was a Maoist.
This is a very reasonable and coherent worldview. You’ve definitely read plenty of theory to know that one of the core tenets of Maoism is “making plans.”
So you’re going to be rude instead of making a point?
I am making the point. The point is that you can’t just take a handful of things Mao did, that tons of other people have also done, and say that anyone who does those things is a “Maoist.” Whether it’s “making a plan to promote industrialization with government involvement” or “writing words.”
Virtually every country that went through a period of industrialization would be “Maoist” by this standard.
I didn’t define anything dipshit
Yeah and that’s part of the problem. Because you have no understanding of what the label you’re using actually means.
I asked how they were different not the same
The onus is on you to demonstrate how they’re similar. It’s like if someone said, “In what way is a raven different from a writing desk?” They’re so different that it’s virtually impossible to convince of any line of thought that would see them as similar.
Bro literally gutted the farmers and used their tax money to bail out the country that replaced the exports of said farmers. That’s not very Mao of him.
Best comparison to that is still the million Covid deaths, at least half of which were completely unnecessary had Trump not intentionally sabotaged the US’s pandemic preparedness and then sabotages the Covid response with misinformation and withholding support.
But Trump did it out of malice, whereas I believe Mao at least thought he was doing something good. But both are narcissistic idiots.
But we’ll see if Trump manages to cause a real famine. It could still happen.
Trump is a narcissist he legit thinks he’s doing good so that can’t be it.
He already is causing a famine. Beef takes two years and of we can’t get enough domestically we go without for 2 years or we import it at exceedingly high markup because everyone knows we have no choice.
I’m not trying to be mean but how in practice is this substantially different than Maoism?
Maoism is more than just working class attacks on academia and culture. In fact that element of Maoism is borrowed from folks like Mussolini. Maoism also involves the regime being ostensibly socialist, includes long term planning, and largely revolves around rapid industrialization.
Maoism was a top-down industrial revolution at gunpoint, carried out by someone who had no idea what industrialization actually was. So the authoritarianism, the brutality and the ignorance are all characteristics shared by Trump. The only difference is the lip service to socialism.
So.
Socialism 2. Long term planning 3. Rapid industrialization
Maoism is a way to move towards socialism, it is not however socialism it just contains aspects of it like many forms of government. The us also has socialist policies and thus socialist aspects.
The lie the admin is pushing is long term planning, they aren’t doing it but they’re certainly lying about doing it.
“Bring back the factories” is a literal cry for rapid industrialization.
So I ask again how are they effectively different. They may sell it to you in a different package but the contents are essentially the same and I’d argue the result would be largely the same.
You’re absolutely right. Any country that makes long term plans, seeks to develop it’s industrial base, and “has socialist aspects” (which I assume mean, “the government does stuff”) is Maoist.
Emperor Meiji was a Maoist.
This is a very reasonable and coherent worldview. You’ve definitely read plenty of theory to know that one of the core tenets of Maoism is “making plans.”
I didn’t define it boss, read the comment then get rude of that’s your prerogative but at the very least keep up with the conversation.
You wrote down words, which is something Mao did too. Are you doing Maoism?
So you’re going to be rude instead of making a point?
I didn’t define anything dipshit the other person did and I responded.
I asked how they were different not the same, you should read the comment chain rather then be rude for no fucking reason.
I am making the point. The point is that you can’t just take a handful of things Mao did, that tons of other people have also done, and say that anyone who does those things is a “Maoist.” Whether it’s “making a plan to promote industrialization with government involvement” or “writing words.”
Virtually every country that went through a period of industrialization would be “Maoist” by this standard.
Yeah and that’s part of the problem. Because you have no understanding of what the label you’re using actually means.
The onus is on you to demonstrate how they’re similar. It’s like if someone said, “In what way is a raven different from a writing desk?” They’re so different that it’s virtually impossible to convince of any line of thought that would see them as similar.
Yeah that’s why I didn’t do that, keep up.
Bro literally gutted the farmers and used their tax money to bail out the country that replaced the exports of said farmers. That’s not very Mao of him.
You might want to look again at Mao’s catastrophic agricultural policies that led to mass famine.
Best comparison to that is still the million Covid deaths, at least half of which were completely unnecessary had Trump not intentionally sabotaged the US’s pandemic preparedness and then sabotages the Covid response with misinformation and withholding support.
But Trump did it out of malice, whereas I believe Mao at least thought he was doing something good. But both are narcissistic idiots.
But we’ll see if Trump manages to cause a real famine. It could still happen.
Trump is a narcissist he legit thinks he’s doing good so that can’t be it.
He already is causing a famine. Beef takes two years and of we can’t get enough domestically we go without for 2 years or we import it at exceedingly high markup because everyone knows we have no choice.
I didn’t ask for how consistent he was I asked how effectively is it different.
As an aside you should read more on mao if you think he didn’t willfully fuck his people over too.
Ah ok, you’re just trolling. Lol
Sparrows
How so? It sounds more like you’re deflecting.