Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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        I think he’s possibly talking at the UN or some security council as they plaque in front of him says “United States”, at a guess that wouldn’t be necessary in front of Congress. I might be wrong though, I’m not from the US.

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        That’s Secretary of State Colin Powell testifying to Congress about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, during the Bush Jr. administration, I think.

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          That’s Secretary of State Colin Powell testifying lying to Congress about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, during the Bush Jr. administration, I think.

          I had to.

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          It’s not Congress. It’s the UN. And he was doing a really stupid publicity stunt about how that vial could hold anthrax to kill them all. And then went on about WMDs in Iraq.

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    America loves war. Simple as that. Bushes weapons of mass destruction was a guarantee that other nations had destructive weapons when they didn’t, but was motivation to get into a conflict that had nothing, zero, nada, zilch to to with the original reason of invading in the first place (911)

    America is a disgusting whore of war. Actually they are good at starting a war, but similar to almost every man over 60, they have a hard time finishing, pull out, and leave the host to clean up their mess.

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    I wouldn’t tryst Gabbard on this either since she’s very likely a Russian agent and Iran is a partner to their war efforts.

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    First, weaken the commercial aviation in your country. Second, start calling everything terrorism. Third, start yet another war in the middle east.

    Your guy is desperately looking for another 911.

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    why the fuck would a facist regime enrich so much uranium to such high levels? death to the iranian regime I say. follow reza pahlavi and not the pervy mullahs.

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      why the fuck would a facist regime

      Citation needed.

      follow reza pahlavi and not the pervy mullahs.

      The son of the Shah? That’s… uh… a tenuous proposition, to say the least.

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        do you read news at all?

        https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sktf6cyegg

        he is calling for days, all media covers it and you think saying it in the fediverse is tenuous? maybe telegram groups are more your thing.

        and on the facist regime i want to quote: “Iran has insisted that it is not developing a bomb and that its nuclear program remains non-weaponized for peaceful energy purposes, though international inspectors have found increasing evidence to the contrary. The United Nations’ nuclear watchdog reported that Iran’s stockpile of 60% enriched uranium—just below weapons-grade—has grown large enough to produce multiple bombs if further enriched. Analysts say Iran could theoretically produce a bomb’s worth of material in as little as a week, and that no other country has that level of uranium without a nuclear weapons program.”

        https://time.com/7294133/iran-israel-nuclear-program-attack/

        what else than a facist would do that? shitty mullahs behave like patrick star “nO. mAybe wE wAnt to wIpe all Jews. tihihihihi.” irans regime should just die and anyone who thinks their childish shennanigans still fly ist just dumb. follow pahlavi.

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        Are you seriously defending the mullah regime? Do you know anything about what’s happening in Iran?

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          Yes, and I know it’s not fascism. “Fascism” is a word that has a meaning, and that meaning is not “authoritarian regime I don’t like”.

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            I would say most if not all boxes of fascism by definition are ticked in Iran.

            Dictatorial leader, forceful suppression of any opposition and/or critics, strong militarism, centralized autocracy, nation above the individual, a strong regimentation of society, …

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              I’m not sure how militarized Iranian society is, but most of what you said applies to most dictatorships. On the other hand,

              Ultranationalism, combined with the myth of national rebirth, is a key foundation of fascism.[271] Robert Paxton argues that “a passionate nationalism” is the basis of fascism, combined with “a conspiratorial and Manichean view of history” which holds, “the chosen people have been weakened by political parties, social classes, unassimilable minorities, spoiled rentiers, and rationalist thinkers.”[272] Roger Griffin identifies the core of fascism as being palingenetic ultranationalism.

              -Wikipedia. The idea that there are undesirables in society who must be purged or suppressed to achieve national (as in racial) unity and greatness is a core tenet of fascism that is conspicuously absent from Iran. I mean hell, if Iran was running anything like this they’d go after their Jews (which they have a small number of), Christians or Sunni Muslims to rile up the Shia majority, but they don’t.

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          You support the son of the shah who’s killed Iranians. You do not care about Iranians and are happy to sacrifice them so israel put a puppet regime instead. The history show us how it always back fire and lead to creation of resistance group who hate the west

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    why tf would a fascist dictator give a rat’s ass about “reasons” to plunge multiple countries into war? he wants war, that’s what’s going to happen

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        the difference is bush 1 & 2 made an effort to convince everyone their bullshit wars were justified. diaper fascist is literally saying “don’t care”

        the thing that’ll shock me is if we’re NOT at war within a month

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            not sure what you’re trying to argue. that maybe we won’t go to war?

            i didn’t say no one called them out, just that they made an effort to justify the wars.

            the wars still happened, didn’t they. despite being “called out”

            people have been “calling out” trump for decades. we still have trump. people are “calling out” this war too.

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              My point is this is not specific to trump. I don’t like him but this is typical American military complex which we have seen in the past. History repeats itself.

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                Destabilizing Iran has been a major part of the US vision to reshape the middle east in it’s own favor, in order to retain hegemonic control and move the theater to China

                It’s also been Israel’s goal since the 1990s, and Israel is an fundamental to US foreign policy in the region

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    In [Trump’s] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

    Those are clearly Netanyahu’s words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.

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    Military control is power, and Trump wants to control the most powerful military in the history of the world. Nothing can stop him, except maybe the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH WHO SHOULD 25th amendment his bitch ass!

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      The alternative is believing Israel’s government…

      And they’re an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists…

      Like, America is bad right now

      But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever

      Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

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          He’s doing horrible shit…

          But he hasn’t been actively committing a genocide like Israel has.

          If you think trump is doing as bad of shit as Israel. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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            He’s neck deep in supporting Israels Genocide, I would call that “actively committing”

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              The alternative is believing Israel’s government…

              That’s what you replied too…

              If I now said:

              Everclear is the best 90s rock band

              Does that mean that’s the only topic you’re allowed to respond to now? If you mentioned Nirvana could I tell you I never mentioned them so the band is verboten?

              Maybe I’m just having a bad morning, but this shit is getting ridiculous

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                It’s definitely not you. This shit happened (and is still happening) on Reddit all the time, it’s like there will always be a sizeable population that doesn’t understand the concept of context and how replies to a thread are never standalone but always within the ongoing context of the thread. If they want to make a standalone comment, make a separate comment thread. But somehow that’s too advanced of a concept for them to grasp.

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        Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

        What kind of pushback did they get from Obama?

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        So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.

        Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.

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          You don’t have to trust her.

          But if she says the sun will come up tomorrow, it doesn’t mean we need to plan to live the rest of our days in fucking darkness man…

          Like. You understand that right? Someone can be a habitual liar, but that doesn’t mean the opposite of everything they say is true.

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            I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.

            There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.

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              There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke.

              By all means share it with the class…

              Because Israel’s government isn’t. And neither is any other government.

              So I’m sure lots of people would absolutely love to see your proof

              Otherwise, it’s more likely Israel is lying because they’ve been saying Iran is a few years away from having nukes for literal decades. It means as much as Elmo saying Tesla will have auto omous driving in a few years

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                  Christ’s sake…

                  This is the fediverse, you can’t assume everyone sees the same comments when everyone’s on different instances. And that’s not even getting into how people block other accounts.

                  This is like pulling fucking teeth. So speaking of block lists…

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          Iran is authoritarian and brutal but this is the first I’m hearing of genocidal.

          Got any examples I can look up?

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        This alternative is to believe the assessment that nuclear regulators made that they were stockpiling 60% enriched uranium and installing new centrifuges that could further enrich to weapons grade even faster. AFAIK there is no other plausible explanation for doing this, nuclear reactors only need 5% enrichment or so:

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-iran-have-been-close-to-making-a-nuclear-weapon-uranium-enrichment/

        https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

        It’s also not a great look Iran immediately talks about testing a nuke a day after the attack. Despite that obviously being a lie, it at least makes it clear they don’t seem to be trying very hard to hide it.

        I’m sure Netanyahu has all kinds of nefarious reasons for doing this and with this timing, but this pretense at least seems pretty solid unlike Gaza and I’m sure there is genuine concern throughout their citizenry over how Iran would use them against them.

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          To be frank, if I was them, I would do everything to get a nuke before the crazies in Israel and the USA decide to wipe out Iran. So Iran trying to get it makes perfect sense.

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      If Trump doesn’t believe her, then even from his demented perspective she shouldn’t have the job. So which is it Donald? Does she ah, merit her position of authority and influence, or does she not?

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    We didn’t attack Iran so it doesn’t matter what we think. Presumably Israel thought they were.

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      It will matter when the USA attacks Iran, which was looking imminent last time I checked.

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      Came here to say the exact same thing.

      It doesn’t matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn’t so what, what are you going to do about it.

      NOTHING that is what they are counting on.

      Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.

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    We have irrefutable proof, that we can’t show you, that Iran is stoning babies in the incubators with yellow cake.