“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”
“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”
“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”
You mean their made up fake Christian values. If an actual Christian saw what these creeps consider Christian values, they’d be very upset. Pretty sure infidelity, bribery, cheating, fraud, name calling, mockery, gambling, false worship, casting out of strangers and all the rest is exactly contradictory to the book they claim to hold in reverence.
All Christian values are made up, bruh. But I get your point.
No, there are.
The “teachings of Jesus” seem just fine: stuff like love thy neighbour no matter what (aka don’t hate minorities), let the one without sins throw rocks first (aka don’t judge), throwing a tantrum at money changers (aka communist).
If only Christians looked up to the one and only character they literally believe is God in human form and try following his actions.
But alas, those Christians are “Christians”, and most know more abot the teachings of Thomas Aquinas than Jesus Christ.
Alas, there are no true scotsmen
I would have gone with RINO, but I get ya. When is a thing not a thing it claims to be though? What’s that thingy called, because it’s this.
That’s really only true for undefined terms. If I’m scientifically determined to be diabetic, but I say I’m not because I define “diabetes” differently than the medical community at-large, my pancreas still can’t produce insulin. Christians, by every accepted definition, follow the teachings of “Jesus Christ,” hence the name. If any can demonstrably be shown to go directly against those teachings, I’d say the argument that they’re not Christian is pretty solid. It’s only when the claims are defined in non-universally accepted terms that the fallacy exists. Like, “No true Scotsman brushes their bottom teeth before brushing their top teeth,” is obviously not a true statement, but “All true Scotsman have a non-zero amount of ‘Scottish blood,’” is acceptably true as long as “amount of Scottish blood” is actually a determinable value.
These xtianists don’t really seem to give a fuck about the Sermon on the Mount very much.
As opposed to the traditional catholic values of murdering brown people, burning apostates, progroming Jews, policing every aspect of sexuality, and most importantly enforcing a rigid belief in social hierarchy and the divine rights of nobility?
“Sharia law” by any other name.
Sharia Law permits abortions in some cases.
Why would Obama do this?
I remember a particular asshat on DP forums that would try to get me booted all the time, and always crying that there is no such thing as xtian Shariah Law and that calling xtianists talibangelicals was so very unfair and so mean, and oh my god, the civility of it all!
The xtianists definitely have Shariah Law even if, sure, they don’t call it that, duh.
Other than the days they worship and a few other differences about ritual and so on, explain the difference between backward dumbasses of the fundamentalist stripe of either of these Abrahamic religions?
Both groups ache to subjugate women and murder infidels and gays, etc.
Your god deserves to be skull fucked to death. Along with your neo nazi Christian subsect.
What did Jesus have to say about immigrants?
What did Jesus have to say about taxes?
What did Jesus have to say about retaliation?
What did Jesus have to say about money and what should be done with it if you have it?
What did Jesus say you should do with everything you own?
Jesus was a Communist. Own nothing. Share everything.
They are modern-day pharisees.
Yeah, my question for this was “WHAT Christian values”, because if they were going to push the fundamental teachings of Jesus I’d actually be ok with that. What they really mean though, is to hang crosses and Bibles in every school and then watch the government speed run breaking every one of the 10 commandments, never mind the teachings of JC.
Theocracies must die.
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” - Denis Diderot
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the Sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you…
Oh, not these values.
Right wing American politics has made a mockery out of Christianity.
Unironically how these people read that list:
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read: the poor in spirit die first.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Read: We will kill those who mourn
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth.
Read: Once the greenhouse gasses are no longer tolerable. We going to Mars, suckas
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Read: killing those who oppose me is what is righteous.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Read: we don’t even bully the Mexican guy on our squad, he’s pretty cool guy
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Read: white
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the Sons of God.
Read: kill those who oppose you until there is no more opposition and you will become Jesus.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read: God needs me to kill ANTIFA
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Read: you have my permission to kill the infidels.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you…
Read: don’t question your mission. You and all your pedo friends can fuck teenage girls or something, after you die for this cause.
…yep. those are them alright.
Right wing American politics has made a mockery out of Christianity.
So, they’re the pharisees?
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don’t know what those are?
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
When is someone going to get fed up enough and [ Removed by Reddit ] ?
I think you’re confused about which website we’re on. We’re on Lemmy here. This is a higher class of website. So, the question you should be asking:
When is someone going to get fed up enough and [ Removed by Lemmy ] ?
I expect it’ll be when one of the writing class gets chronic pain or a death sentence diagnosis that could’ve been prevented if healthcare didn’t suck.
Not unlike Luigi is accused, except he’s innocent.
And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you
No, you fucking ARE NOT.
this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.
You can go ahead and go fuck yourself pal, because this is a secular nation. Besides, the “morality” in the Bible is a horrible model for morality, sorry.
Fools speak without realizing that the rest of society knows when and where they all amass weekly.
“the morality we can find in the Bible”
It’s ok to own human beings as property: “As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property.”
Its ok to rape young girls (is God in the Epstein files?): “So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.”
It’s ok to kill babies: Thus says the Lord of hosts: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When David had an affair and had the woman’s husband killed, God killed his baby and had his wives publically raped: "Thus says the Lord: I will raise up trouble against you from within your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and in broad daylight.”
It will be a small, hollow victory.
But I hope I can hear the MAGAs cry, when they find out “Christian Nation” means they can’t get booze and pr0n anymore.
There is no God it’s only you bro
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Emphasis mine.
Christian nationalists cannot fucking stand that you don’t share in and support their delusion, that you’re not subject to their little club, and that their power dynamics cannot legally bind you. They’re crazy because their beliefs do not align with reality, and the founders knew that they are crazy. It was the first thing they thought of when first amending the constitution after our government was formed.
It will never be enough for them to simply practice their own religion for themselves, their own families, or even their own associations. The flock must grow, by coercion if possible, by force if necessary. The great invisible hand of the “savior” reaches from beyond the grave through the raised arms of voting supplicants, cloaked in peace while sowing righteous fury and stark judgement with starry-eyed innocence and empty smiles.
How funny is it that infinite, omnipotent, unknowable God happens to want exactly the same things as rich white American men? “God” is just convenient excuse for stripping away rights and projecting ego.
Here’s something that’s really hard to believe: That this bullshit still works.
It’s all a giant psychological tangled mess. They must force it on others, otherwise the truth of their delusion keeps punching them in the face day after day. The cognitive dissonance of knowing you are believing in a fairy tale, deep deep down, is overwhelming and expresses itself in the lashing out against the world we see all the fucking time. They hate freedom because they are to cowardly to enjoy it themselves.
Christian nationalists cannot fucking stand that you don’t share in and support their delusion, that you’re not subject to their little club
I truly love telling some xtianist trying to lecture me on how I should do things this:
Your rules are for you, bro. They simply bear no relevance outside the context of xtianity.
If you talk to some of these people, many don’t even seem to have any kind of understanding that there are millions of people that don’t accept their framing. Like, at all.
Telling them that trying to cite “the bible” at someone like me has as much of an effect as citing Harry Potter or Dianetics makes them just about glitch out. They want to find the right bit of their “scripture” that could be used like a spell on others and make them into another drone at their church. Ain’t going to happen: I don’t value your text like you do.
