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And now JD Vance’s Acretrader can come buy up all the land for cheap and sell it to foreign interests!
Well… you know, if you have a farm, there’s options other than soy beans.
When this shitshow is over It would be nice if we could reconstruct our farming practices to focus more small local and sustainable farming instead of corporate conglomerates that damage our environment and wipe out biodiversity.
Lol might as well ask for the wholesale dismantling of all capitalism…
(Yes please)
I think Europe has better farming practices
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I just know they have better quality food so it can’t be as bad as the subsidized corporate poison here
“Temporary” my ass. They are going to beg for those evil socialistic handouts for the coming years. Simply because it is unlikely to get better.
Well yeah, farm subsidies aren’t new.
Canada, Russia, Belarus and China are the major players in potash mining and production. The US doesn’t mine or produce any in a substantial number. The US has huge import tariffs on China, and can’t currently buy from either Russia or Belarus.
Canada needs to put a 50-70% export tariff on potash. That would crush US farming.
If Trump wants to play, let’s burn them to the ground. Here is your 51st state you cunt.
This is idiotic. You are literally suggesting Canada follows Trump example and try to use tariffs to hurt another country.
Canadian potash producers have no reason to be punished with tariffs.
Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy. This is literally what you’re complaining about.
Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy.
Read what I said. I said EXPORT tariffs. These are taxed at the border, by Canada, to the buyer exporting - IE; the farmers and supply chain in the US. These aren’t like Trump’s import tariffs but they have the same effect to Americans.
The only effect this would have on Canada is MAYBE some reduced sales, but US farmers don’t have a choice with this product. They literally can’t buy it from anywhere else in the numbers they need.
And yes, the design would be to cause even further damage to US farming because of Trump. It’s a huge power play Canada has. They want to reduce our added tax on potash? They need to drop or reduce tariffs on their end.
Buyers import. Sellers export. Your example does not make logical sense.
as he said “EXPORT tariffs. These are taxed at the border, by Canada, to the buyer exporting”, which would be those farmers
Wait, why not?
You can have sensible tariffs that do the intended job of encouraging a domestic market, but you need to have both supply and demand available domestically.
For example, Canada has an import tariff on milk and other dairy because we produce and consume our own dairy products. If some giant US milk conglomerate could start imprint on the cheap it would legitimately harm the Canadian economy.
Cool story bro. Read the conversation next time. The topic was potash tariffs.
Its not universally true that tariffs harm your own country.
If the US really is dependent on a specific thing from a specific country then that country can absolutely harm the US by applying a tariff to it.
This is why farmers shouldn’t monocrop. Even if a farmer doesn’t care about the environment and soil health, monocropping makes a farmer vulnerable to the volatile nature of geopolitics and the global economy.
They don’t? Afaik soy is an off season crop to balance nitrogen(?) in the ground. But not being able to sell your harvest 50% of the time is still pretty bad.
This.
I would MUCH rather LITERALLY LOSE MY ENTIRE INDUSTRY AND WAY OF LIFE then to have ONE Trans Kid NOT feel suicidal!
-LITERALLY all Republican Voters!
This is hilarious and I upvoted. But it’s also not accurate, and presenting it this way makes Trump look like a giga chad tricking bullies into punishing themselves, when he’s more like just king of a mentally ill cult. I won’t take my upvote back because I voted for Trump one time 9 years ago and I can’t take that back
I regret your use of the word “gigachad”, but “Tricking bigots into punishing themselves” is the precise description of the Republican party.
That’s not a good thing. The theme of American history is “Rich whites convinced poor whites to destroy their own public goods out of fear that someone not like them might benefit too.”
It’s not mental illness. It’s not economic anxiety. It’s not ethics in gaming journalism. It’s white supremacy.
I’d definitely say white supremacy is mental illness though
Oh, so you haven’t learned much at all, you just felt too much shame to keep up the support.
Your narrative here is that moral impurity and disability are not only intertwined, but are also responsible for the worst elements of our world. That’s fascism.
You’re a chud, go lick boots somewhere else.
I’m morally impure but trying to survive. Many people have called me retarded, but there are also plenty of actual disabled people who are more morally pure than me.
I say the problem isn’t the disabled or the morally impure, it’s a huge cult with such a serious sickness they seem to want extinction.
If you’re committed to unlearning the fascism, you should know that the narrative that it’s just “mentally ill” people that voted for him is also not accurate and is infact ableist. White affluent Americans have been primed to endorse these values for centuries, it isn’t new and it isn’t disabled people’s fault.
Being unable to stop trying to commit mass suicide via climate change seems like a serious disability
It’s a social sickness but it’s not a disability.
They can control it and they have chosen to behave like this. You do not get that in a disability
People we both recognize as disabled are also told the exact same thing by others, that they’re choosing to behave that way
And much like your attempt at comparison, it ain’t true.
Hey there woah … if you say something bad about djt, he’ll dump on you from an F35 so EVERYTHING is PERFECT no matter what you say.
Actually, shit is a great fertilizer. If he had dumped it on the farm fields that need it, it would have been a better video.
You know which country? Argentina. Who are we aiding with currency transfers and trade deals for meat? AREGENTINA
I’m going to end up emigrating from this fucking country primarily so I can stop bailing out dumbfucks.
This is absurd.
We’re going to bail out “bootstrap” assholes after they were warned they were going to kill their own livelihoods. Fuck that clown shit.
The US government has been doing this forever. For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized. They couldn’t survive if they weren’t subsidized.
For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized.
They’re subsidized to regulate productivity. You don’t want large fluctuations in the supply of staple goods, so you offer a price floor that’s cost of production + vig to guarantee a certain volume of retail surplus.
If you want to get extra fancy, you turn the excess into a good that you can preserve for long periods (excess milk turned into Government Cheese) that you can then store in the event of a supply contraction or dole out abroad for goodwill as material aid.
The only real caveat is that you need the agricultural property owned by actual working people, rather than some enormous private conglomerate or trust. The goal is to guarantee a steady supply of his that still offers gainful employment, not to create a massive shareholder give away for folks who will still fuck with the supply chain
But where are you gonna go? Most countries don’t want more refugees
Australia here.
I’ve been saying all along that we’d happily exchange some fuckwits for some lefty seppos.
Chuck another shrimp on the barbie mate strewth.
Haha yeah I’m Australian too. And agree, lefty seppos would be a welcome change from a lot of the fuckwits we have around here…
But also, I don’t want to add more fuckwits so how do we filter out the gun loving Maga psychos?
I’m hoping this means low soy-food prices. And other beans. Beans are the best.
cries in IBS
Sure, beans are rough. Is there something worse than McDonald’s chicken though?
I haven’t had one in forever because they’re fried in soy oil and it aggravates my IBS. I had to quit working at Wendy’s because the amount of fry oil I ingested just from working the fryers made my guts stop working right.
It’s at the top of the list of things that will fuck my IBS.
You’ve heard of government cheese? Wait until you hear about government rotten tofu
Mmmmm government seitan.
I hope we all like soy beans because that is going to be the only affordable thing in the grocery store.
Does that include edamame? If so, I don’t see a down side…
More likely feedstock for bio-fuels, which also gives Republicans heartburn because the only proper fuel for their SUV is sucked out of the ground under pressure from toxic chemical-laced fracking mud, like the Good Lord intended.
Soy is great, you can make some really good-tasting, high-protein food with it for very cheap. But I’m afraid there won’t be a lot of cheap soy in grocery stores, instead those farmers will just go bankrupt.
Which is super hilarious because the same idiots who support Trump are the same idiots pushing Soy memes about how too much soy makes you gay/trans.
Except it won’t be, because without a buyer the crops are going to rot in the fields.
That’s what farm subsidies are for.
instead of government cheese we are going to have government tofu
Turns out the conservatives were the ones making America into soyboys all along.
I do! Been making and selling tempeh to my friends, also fried tofu is amazing.
That is the result of a hyper individualist society, USA is literally the cancer of the world and now it’s hurting itself
They voted for this and it’s going exactly to plan, they just wish the plan was faster.
The plan is to remove everyone undocumented and then bring them all back as H-2A visa labor paying them pennies on the dollar.
I think it’s better understood as many different factions with their own desires:
- Those who want raw power for the sake of power. Trump is almost certainly personally in this category. This is probably the primary motivation behind the Project 2025 stuff, tearing down the guardrails that limit their power.
- Those who are trying to enrich themselves: Trump’s family is probably here, and Trump himself and his inner circle do seem to be motivated by financial gain to some degree.
- Those who want to use the Trump administration to make the U.S. whiter by expelling non-white people and restricting immigration of brown people (while increasing white refugees admitted).
- Those who want to assert dominance of certain types of Christianity (with some internal tension on whether that extends to Catholics/Protestant/Mormon/other beliefs)
- Those who want the government to pursue business friendly policies like lower taxes and lower business regulations.
- Those who want to leverage the government’s power to win a culture war (bullying schools, libraries, Hollywood, the media, etc., into supporting right-wing cultural principles).
There is tension between all of these things, and there’s tension within the Trump coalition. The business interests and the immigration hardliners jockey for position with Trump and his inner circle. The religious groups and the war hawks and the cryptocurrency scammers are all trying to advance their own agenda, too.
Not everything is going to make coherent sense. Not every idea is going to win, either. And if anything, the business side of things is less powerful than in the typical administration with several areas that are actively hostile to traditional Republican business interests (immigration, tariffs, pardoning securities fraudsters, shaking down corporations for donations or tribute).
It’s important to recognize the tensions because those are also weak spots in their coalition. Defeating fascism will involve fomenting some internal tensions and peeling off different factions.
That doesn’t make sense. Adding paperwork isn’t going to lower labor costs.
Undocumented workers are already the least paid, least protected category of worker.
They’d be switching from workers with no minimum wage to ones that have a minimum wage, need to be properly tracked by the IRS and all that.Haha, you think they are keeping the rules the same? https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/dol-issues-game-changer-rule-for-h-2a-farmworker-wages.html
In my state undocumented farm workers make a little more than minimum wage. After this rule change they will be able to legally pay them less.
These are the two most important points of the blog or article I posted:
- DOL’s Reasoning. The DOL estimates that agricultural employers will save over $24 billion over the next 10 years as a result of these changes.
- AEWR Examples. For some states, these AEWR changes will mean that the state minimum wage will become the highest applicable wage rate for H-2A workers. For other states, the new AEWRs will be lower than the state’s minimum wage. For example, California’s statewide hourly minimum wage for most employers for 2025 is $16.50. However, the new hourly AEWR in California after applying the state’s $3.00 downward adjustment for nonmonetary compensation is $13.45 for entry-level H-2A workers in the Skill I category and $15.71 for experienced H-2A workers in the Skill Level II category.
I feel like what you’re missing is that this is lowering the floor for what you can pay visa holders, but saying that will make them preferable to people where there is no floor doesn’t follow.
I feel like you are still missing a piece of this puzzle.
It turns the migrant farm workers into almost an indentured servitude type class. Right now they demand free market wages which is often above minimum wage in that state. Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So sure there is no “floor” right now, but the free market is the floor. This change might benefit some migrants who are getting bad deals currently, but overall it will harm the migrant workforce and drive labor costs down.
Without this migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So why would they enter the program? They currently have demonstrated that they have no problem not having an immigration status, so why would they switch to having something that doesn’t benefit them, that they don’t want, and that costs them money?
Their goal is to make the legal path cheaper to appeal to farmers, but farmers aren’t the ones driving the price. As you said: market rate is higher than this guarantees people. If there’s a growing shortage of labor you can expect labor wages to rise. Why would you agree to work for less if you can just go to a different farm and make more?
I understand your point and the situation perfectly well.
migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
I believe this is why you’re wrong, and farmers aren’t hoping it goes faster, but rather voted again their own interests like so many have, and just didn’t think they would specifically target their livelihoods.
A racist administration deporting people aggressively, lowering the incentives to come here legally, and not caring about the consequences, while farmers scramble to control damage they didn’t think was actually going to happen is a way simpler story. Also fits nicely with “America first” burning the ability of those farmers to sell to a global market, canceling programs that gave them money, and canceling food aid orders that mostly existed as back handed subsidies.
Lol.
The plan is slave labour
Gotta close that prison loophole.
