Then we’re back to my original objection to the first charts. In a time of strong anti-establishment sentiment, an establishment candidate is more likely to underperform down ballot races, and an anti-establishment candidate is more likely to outperform down ballot races - especially in a purple/swing state.
Which also brings me back to my original point that this is not a theory of interest to leftist voters - both because we already know why it happened, and because it provides cover for neoliberals trying to hide from the utter collapse of their ideology.
The press doesn’t know how to differentiate between extremist neoliberals and the far left, so the far left gets saddled with extremist neoliberal nonsense.
Yeah I know, every leftist wants to see the Democrats collapse because they can’t wish the same on the republiQans.
IF there’s anything to this, it means the Democrats won, though and leftists would get a lot of what they want. That they don’t care about that is all we need to know as it comes to midterms.
Yeah I know, every leftist wants to see the Democrats collapse because they can’t wish the same on the republiQans.
You got it backwards. Leftists want the Democrats to abandon neoliberalism so that they won’t collapse. There is a fringe (not me) that wants the Democrats to collapse in favor of a third party, but they also want to destroy the Republicans.
IF there’s anything to this, it means the Democrats won, though and leftists would get a lot of what they want.
We never have before, and the Democrats don’t campaign on it, so I highly doubt it. Most Democratic administrations result in less of what Leftists want, not more. Not as bad as Republican administrations, but the last President to really move the country left was FDR. Biden did too, but he barely even tried to undo the previous Trump administration.
To be clear, Democrats are far better than Republicans for the left, but it’s not because we expect to get any of what we want from either.
Of course that’s a big, if interesting, if.
Kinda like “if monkeys come flying out of my ass”. Even so, it’s hardly all that interesting. We still won’t understand how Trump won in 2016. We still won’t understand the rising tide of fascism in the US and the rest of the neoliberal world. We’ll be no closer to taking back Congress in 2026, or doing anything with our proof of election fraud without it.
At the absolute best this would prove that Trump is a criminal running a criminal administration who should be removed from office. We can already prove that a dozen different ways, yet there he still is. I’m not “interested” in expending time, resources, or political capital on a witch-hunt that even Kamala and Walz don’t find valuable.
We never have before, and the Democrats don’t campaign on it, so I highly doubt it.
That’s just silly. Crazy wrong.
. . .the last President to really move the country left was FDR. Biden did too, but he barely even tried to undo the previous Trump administration.
So that contradicts your first statement.
To be clear, Democrats are far better than Republicans for the left, but it’s not because we expect to get any of what we want from either.
You’re ignoring the inherent contradiction by claiming what’s “wanted” was and is never supported. That’s not the case.
Of course that’s a big, if interesting, if.
Kinda like “if monkeys come flying out of my ass”. Even so, it’s hardly all that interesting. We still won’t understand how Trump won in 2016. We still won’t understand the rising tide of fascism in the US and the rest of the neoliberal world. We’ll be no closer to taking back Congress in 2026, or doing anything with our proof of election fraud without it.
Hardly interesting to find that stuff out? Okay. I couldn’t disagree more. We know from a number of sources trump colluded with russia for things like money and intelligence, we know there were a lot of voter roll break-ins and so on. And we know the Cambridge Analytica piece. That’s a lot already - it’s not an impenetrable fortress of unknowable things.
I’m not “interested” in expending time, resources, or political capital on a witch-hunt that even Kamala and Walz don’t find valuable.
Fair enough then. IF anything happens you can read about it in the checkout line. And Kamala and Walz wouldn’t support this publicly but I have no doubt they’d find any uncovered truths valuable.
Then we’re back to my original objection to the first charts. In a time of strong anti-establishment sentiment, an establishment candidate is more likely to underperform down ballot races, and an anti-establishment candidate is more likely to outperform down ballot races - especially in a purple/swing state.
Which also brings me back to my original point that this is not a theory of interest to leftist voters - both because we already know why it happened, and because it provides cover for neoliberals trying to hide from the utter collapse of their ideology.
The press doesn’t know how to differentiate between extremist neoliberals and the far left, so the far left gets saddled with extremist neoliberal nonsense.
Yeah I know, every leftist wants to see the Democrats collapse because they can’t wish the same on the republiQans.
IF there’s anything to this, it means the Democrats won, though and leftists would get a lot of what they want. That they don’t care about that is all we need to know as it comes to midterms.
Of course that’s a big, if interesting, if.
You got it backwards. Leftists want the Democrats to abandon neoliberalism so that they won’t collapse. There is a fringe (not me) that wants the Democrats to collapse in favor of a third party, but they also want to destroy the Republicans.
We never have before, and the Democrats don’t campaign on it, so I highly doubt it. Most Democratic administrations result in less of what Leftists want, not more. Not as bad as Republican administrations, but the last President to really move the country left was FDR. Biden did too, but he barely even tried to undo the previous Trump administration.
To be clear, Democrats are far better than Republicans for the left, but it’s not because we expect to get any of what we want from either.
Kinda like “if monkeys come flying out of my ass”. Even so, it’s hardly all that interesting. We still won’t understand how Trump won in 2016. We still won’t understand the rising tide of fascism in the US and the rest of the neoliberal world. We’ll be no closer to taking back Congress in 2026, or doing anything with our proof of election fraud without it.
At the absolute best this would prove that Trump is a criminal running a criminal administration who should be removed from office. We can already prove that a dozen different ways, yet there he still is. I’m not “interested” in expending time, resources, or political capital on a witch-hunt that even Kamala and Walz don’t find valuable.
That’s just silly. Crazy wrong.
So that contradicts your first statement.
You’re ignoring the inherent contradiction by claiming what’s “wanted” was and is never supported. That’s not the case.
Hardly interesting to find that stuff out? Okay. I couldn’t disagree more. We know from a number of sources trump colluded with russia for things like money and intelligence, we know there were a lot of voter roll break-ins and so on. And we know the Cambridge Analytica piece. That’s a lot already - it’s not an impenetrable fortress of unknowable things.
Fair enough then. IF anything happens you can read about it in the checkout line. And Kamala and Walz wouldn’t support this publicly but I have no doubt they’d find any uncovered truths valuable.