I’d have agreed with you pre-2025. But I could see it now. The Dems have been letting us down over and over again. We need a party that cuts out billionaire money and promises to enforce the same on all politicians once they take power.
The problem is, it is very hard to win elections without money. So a party that cuts out billionaire spending is less likely to win while also splitting the dem vote.
The DNC didn’t have foreign bot farms and billionaires on their side.
I know! Maybe if they abandon everyone that you don’t care about and focus only on the bot farms and billionaires that you do care about, they’ll win!
Democrats can’t keep moving to the right like you want them to. They hit a wall. They peeled off none of the republican votes you envy. But they got to throw people you hate under the bus, so it’s good for you.
They’ve literally won the majority of elections since the 90s by appealing to moderates. They lost in 2024 because Russia had a war at stake and billionaires didn’t want to get taxed. Add in inflation from the pandemic and you have a tough campaign to win.
The argument that democrats can’t win without the left is not based on reality.
Dems tried to appeal to leftist and they screeched “genicide Joe” until Trump won.
Meanwhile republicans won because voters to the right of leftist know the importance of not shitting on the candidate they want to win.
Why are you posting irrelevant bullshit? We’re not talking about running a “third party” candidate. We’re talking about destroying the Democratic party and rebuilding it into something that isn’t traitorous and corrupt.
it’s time for the Democrats to go the way of the Whigs.
Sounds like you’re trying to dismiss my argument out of hand by associating me with the pro-fascist concern trolls and their useful idiots who did that in this previous election. You can fuck all the way off with that dishonest, ad-hominem bullshit.
There’s a huge fucking difference between abandoning a candidate in the middle of the election with fuck-all for alternatives, and trying to reform or replace the party with literally as much margin as possible before the next election. If now is not the right time to try to get shit done, when is? Tell me that, O Great Arbiter of Political Acceptability!
You need to quit your bullshit, and on top of that you owe me a goddamn apology.
You say splitting is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP, but I’d say that keeping the resistance neutered by being stuck behind “leadership” that’s ineffectual at best, or a traitorous quisling at worst, benefits the GOP even more.
Anyway, I’m not arguing for splitting the opposition. I’m arguing for supplanting it so thoroughly that the old guard (Schumer, Pelosi, et al.) finds it untenable to continue.
If that fails, it fails, and we crawl back and support the Democratic candidate as a last-ditch effort at harm reduction, just like before. But we’ve got to try, because otherwise Schumer is going to “collaborate” us straight into the gas chambers.
The problem with that approach is you do all the work for the GOP propaganda machine every time you argue against a democratic candidate.
So by the time your revolution fails, your campaign gets weaponized by the GOP. Everything negative you had to say about the democrat candidate is now being said by the GOP. And it’s super effective at convincing some democratic voters to stay home because it’s the same talking points used by their own party.
Instead of trying to discourage voters from choosing democrats, leftists should just say why voters should chose the leftist and accept the results when voters choose the moderate option.
That would guarantee more Republican wins
I’d have agreed with you pre-2025. But I could see it now. The Dems have been letting us down over and over again. We need a party that cuts out billionaire money and promises to enforce the same on all politicians once they take power.
The problem is, it is very hard to win elections without money. So a party that cuts out billionaire spending is less likely to win while also splitting the dem vote.
The Democrats wanted to tax the rich and they still got way more donations than Trump, but all of that pales in comparison to buying out Twitter.
You don’t have to be poor to see that Republicans are a threat to us all.
Democrats outraised trump and still lost.
You need to not tell your voters to fuck off if you can imagine that.
The DNC didn’t have foreign bot farms and billionaires on their side.
Elon literally bought votes but you don’t count that when you say “outraised Trump”.
I know! Maybe if they abandon everyone that you don’t care about and focus only on the bot farms and billionaires that you do care about, they’ll win!
Democrats can’t keep moving to the right like you want them to. They hit a wall. They peeled off none of the republican votes you envy. But they got to throw people you hate under the bus, so it’s good for you.
They’ve literally won the majority of elections since the 90s by appealing to moderates. They lost in 2024 because Russia had a war at stake and billionaires didn’t want to get taxed. Add in inflation from the pandemic and you have a tough campaign to win.
The argument that democrats can’t win without the left is not based on reality.
Dems tried to appeal to leftist and they screeched “genicide Joe” until Trump won.
Meanwhile republicans won because voters to the right of leftist know the importance of not shitting on the candidate they want to win.
That’s a bit of a fib, isn’t it?
Not even a little
No.
It would guarentee more Republican wins
More wins than they already won?
Of course
Why are you posting irrelevant bullshit? We’re not talking about running a “third party” candidate. We’re talking about destroying the Democratic party and rebuilding it into something that isn’t traitorous and corrupt.
it’s time for the Democrats to go the way of the Whigs.
Sounds like you’re warming up for the next election when you’ll be trying to convince people not to vote or vote 3rd party.
Sounds like you’re trying to dismiss my argument out of hand by associating me with the pro-fascist concern trolls and their useful idiots who did that in this previous election. You can fuck all the way off with that dishonest, ad-hominem bullshit.
There’s a huge fucking difference between abandoning a candidate in the middle of the election with fuck-all for alternatives, and trying to reform or replace the party with literally as much margin as possible before the next election. If now is not the right time to try to get shit done, when is? Tell me that, O Great Arbiter of Political Acceptability!
You need to quit your bullshit, and on top of that you owe me a goddamn apology.
Splitting the only opposition to the Republican Party during a coup is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP.
That’s what you are arguing for.
You want me to apologize for pointing out the cause and effect of what you’re asking for?
You say splitting is a guaranteed benefit to the GOP, but I’d say that keeping the resistance neutered by being stuck behind “leadership” that’s ineffectual at best, or a traitorous quisling at worst, benefits the GOP even more.
Anyway, I’m not arguing for splitting the opposition. I’m arguing for supplanting it so thoroughly that the old guard (Schumer, Pelosi, et al.) finds it untenable to continue.
If that fails, it fails, and we crawl back and support the Democratic candidate as a last-ditch effort at harm reduction, just like before. But we’ve got to try, because otherwise Schumer is going to “collaborate” us straight into the gas chambers.
The problem with that approach is you do all the work for the GOP propaganda machine every time you argue against a democratic candidate.
So by the time your revolution fails, your campaign gets weaponized by the GOP. Everything negative you had to say about the democrat candidate is now being said by the GOP. And it’s super effective at convincing some democratic voters to stay home because it’s the same talking points used by their own party.
Instead of trying to discourage voters from choosing democrats, leftists should just say why voters should chose the leftist and accept the results when voters choose the moderate option.