Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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    This goes to show that the problem isn’t Trump or the Republicans, the problem is the United States of America. The only way things are going to get better is if America is removed from its position of global power and influence. If you care about fighting fascism and tyranny, you need to boycott American products, refuse to work for American companies and, if you’re already working for an American company and can’t quit, drop your productivity as far as possible. Do everything in your power to damage the American economy and reduce their power.

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      As Americans we have no choice in the matter. We’re forced to power the empire like the human batteries in The Matrix in order to survive. And just like in the movie, we’re born into a prison that we can’t smell or taste or touch. We truly are the most propagandized people in history.

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    Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and “wish they would have voted differently”

    Fuck all of them

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    Fucking seriously??? These assholes could finally do something and the roll over. Pieces of shit.

    • They had no chance of passing it so they’re not even going to protest vote I guess. I can’t come up with any good reason why they’re doing this. They’re kissing T’s ass at the Hague today when he should be there on trial. Maybe they’re just going to publicly fall in line.

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    Make no mistake. This is a game of politics. Nothing more. They’re not doing anything other than playing a wicked and degenerate game of human chess. They don’t care about anything other than their bottom line. They’re basically saying fuck the American people how can I personally benefit from this!

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    I’m sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya’ll need to chill out. President’s generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can’t think of one in my lifetime that didn’t bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.

    This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it’s Congress’ job to declare war. That’s the entirety of the complaint. It’s short. And it’s lazy. He didn’t declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn’t declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn’t actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.

    All this ‘democrats are traitors’ or ‘they’re supporting fascism’ or ‘stabbing us in the back’ is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don’t see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it’s deep and nuanced, it’s something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it’s something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.

    We’re not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I’m getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.

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      Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war… Those double standards my guy

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      I don’t get it. What’s there to chill out about? Is it fine to bomb another country just because war wasn’t officially declared?

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    There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn’t actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.

    The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.

    Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?

    Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that’s already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn’t useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there’s been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.

    So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you’ve created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the “Death to America” country’s nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah’s nuclear weapons program.

    The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.

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    I wonder what the reasoning is. Do they really hate the idea of Iran having nukes? Do they really like keeping Israel as an ally? I don’t know, as a regular voter, what Israel does for us. They seem very unpopular

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      It’s important for the Jews to control the reigon before the apocalypse can start.

      It’s the core defining beleif of Evangelical Christians, which the Republican party has been controlling with corrupt pastors since at least the Nixon administration

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        I wish more people realized this. Fundamentalist “Christians” are some of the most antisemitic people and no one seems to question why they are Israel’s biggest backers. They literally believe that keeping Israel in power will make supply side Jesus come and rescue them from the awful progressives who want to make sure everyone has their basic needs provided for.

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      They pay your politicians so that your politicians take your tax money and buy Israel guns with it from your arms companies, who give your politicians money so that your politicians buy their guns and send them to Israel.

      They also destabilize a region with hundreds of millions of people, whose countries have vast resources and sit on critical trade routes. If people in West Asia were united, they would quickly move on to become a geopolitical power-house rivaling the EU. if all Muslim countries were to work together, they would be the global superpower.

      Oh and of course racism. Lots of racism and murdering brown people. The US and many European countries love that.

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        Don’t forget cheap labor. Central America has fuckall for resources, but we do coups there every time our guy gets deposed because an unstable region means poverty means people willing to work for nothing.

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      The reasoning is that basically every president in the last 5 decades or so has used the existing laws that generally permit presidents to use military force without first getting congressional approval. If that were unconstitutional then the laws should have been changed, but they’re allowed to stand, so it’s basically not. It’s a bit of a silly thing to try to impeach over. The precedence of that being constitutional is massive.

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    I imagine there are significantly more complex concerns the representatives are navigating than the reductive assessments being presented here.

    For example, the voter base has clearly demonstrated they are morons and SOME of the reps may reside in more moderate districts with split ticket voting. If they know it is a mathematical impossibility why would they waste political capital and open themselves up for midterm attack ads.

    While you and I, or anyone with more intellectual capacity than a goldfish realize the danger of Trump, they may also want to ensure when they support impeachment, they do it for an issue that has more broad support of public opinion.

    I often see reductive assessments of political behavior that lack any attempt to consider measured approaches within a given context, even historically. Hindsight is 20/20 and there are often many moving parts aside from what you or I feel is the correct thing to do.

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    AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
    Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.

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    Despicable. The Democrats are a shell of what they used to be. How fucking pathetic, but also expected.

    Time to vote 'em out, folks! Eyes on 2026 & 2028, if we make it that far!

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    I’m not saying chill out about the attack, I’m saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren’t fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican’s soundbites about how “trump derangement syndrome is so bad it’s making them want to take away the ability to defend America” and shit like that.