Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.God your country is fucked.
I’m sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya’ll need to chill out. President’s generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can’t think of one in my lifetime that didn’t bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.
This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it’s Congress’ job to declare war. That’s the entirety of the complaint. It’s short. And it’s lazy. He didn’t declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn’t declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn’t actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.
All this ‘democrats are traitors’ or ‘they’re supporting fascism’ or ‘stabbing us in the back’ is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don’t see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it’s deep and nuanced, it’s something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it’s something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.
We’re not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I’m getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.
Doing a drone strike to kill specific people not officially part of a government is vastly different than destroying infrastructure that is still controlled by a country’s government.
And then calling it a war on Iranian nukes.
I feel like that is so intentionally provocative it has to be worth mentioning. Like if Japan said they were at war with Pearl Harbor not America.
I don’t get it. What’s there to chill out about? Is it fine to bomb another country just because war wasn’t officially declared?
are you now on purpose misrepresenting this???
He said impeachment doesn’t make sense because he didn’t do what they’re accusing him of, and what he actually did is something pretty much every president has done in the past century, and is apparently allowed.
Doesn’t mean him doing it is morally right, or that he should do it or… Just that this impeachment is just a silly show that will achieve nothing except making everyone taking it seriously look like an idiot…
In what world not bombing someone directly is not a declaration of war? So just about anyone can go around and blow shit up anywhere and even they are asked about it the answer should be a clear “yes, it was me” and an oopsie and all is forgiven? “It was all in good fun ol’ chap!”.
The guy is even delusional about how his actions ended a 30 year war, but when Iran will start blowing people up and saying “sure, it was us”, they will for sure also go “we are in a war, aren’t we?”.
It’s ok, Trump can just continue jerking himself off in Mar-a-lago and imagine himself as a great leader respected by everyone.
Why don’t you google it?
Declaration of war seems to have a specific meaning, and doing a bombing doesn’t seem to be part of it.
and all the rest of your post just doesn’t make any sense. It’s not because you didn’t officially declare war, that the other party can’t retaliate, can’t declare war on you can’t… It’s just… an attack can cause a war, but isn’t a declaration of war, those are two separate things.
I understand the technicality or a declaration of war versul beginning of hostilities. By that judgement Russia didn’t declare a war on Ukraine, yet here we are.
In modern times the above definitions are somewhat intertwined. You don’t have to declare war officially by following law and order, but it’s inferred from your actions.
Either way, both Putin and his muppet Trump are assholes.
Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war… Those double standards my guy
yeah, but america and americans are way more important than some dirty foreigners.
It can indeed be taken as a declaration of war by the other party, but if it isn’t officially one according to the American law, then that’s it… This appears to be within the powers of the president, and that’s all this post is about…
Does it completely suck that he can do this? obviously. But this impeachment seems silly, so why make a fool of yourself and go through with it when it just has 0 chance of succeeding?
If you’re talking about American public opinion having double standards, ok. If you’re talking about me, you’re putting words in my mouth.
Correct me if I’m reading your post wrong, but you stated that people should chill out about this declaration of war because he didn’t actually declare a war, he just casually dropped some bombs. I understand that to mean that people should accept the irrationality because somehow the US doesn’t have a system in place to police itself. Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn’t declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.
Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn’t declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.
I mean that’s what they are doing in the middle east all the time. They literally attack each other endlessly but aren’t technically at war most of the time.
OP is saying that there is a difference between actions that can be interpreted as an act of war and a formal declaration of war. It seems pedantic but I have to agree the difference is there. Iran has no interest declaring war on the US. Luckily there were enough adults making the decision that a retaliatory strike (with advance warning) was enough to call it a day.
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
unfortunately, a lot of americans don’t have the means to leave :/
Also, good luck even getting a visa in a developed country unless you have a master’s degree
What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?
I’m sorry I know this impeachment is important to all your emotional needs after feeling bullied and all, but it would be extremely helpful to Trump.
Bear with me please. Here’s how impeachment actually works:
- Trump does something terrible that is extremely unpopular.
- Outrage forces Democrats to impeach him.
- Because impeachment requires a 2/3 majority, which is literally unobtainable for Democrats even after the midterms, there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever he gets convicted, so he wins at the Senate.
- Trump declares victory, says the whole thing was a hoax.
- (This is the key) Low information voters regard the issue as now settled in Trump’s favor.
- No one talks about the illegal war, leading the Jan 6 riot, or trying to corruptly shake down Zelensky again, because these are all now worthless as attacks against Trump.
See the last two impeachments. There’s no way this works well. American democracy sucks, but realize it’s a game. You can’t win at poker by playing every hand, no matter how much you deserve to win. Impeachment is a 2-7 off suit. Fold it on sight.
It most certainly is a game. It’s a game where anything is on the table for making sure the bad guys lose.
I would be more willing to accept that this is a good time to fold if the Dems went for the eyes or throat on other occasions. But they do not.
Fair enough, but this is the opposite of going for the eyes and throat. This is attacking Trump where he’s least vulnerable. It’s an uphill frontal assault on Trump Castle, armed with a nerf gun. The best you can hope for is a valiant effort.
Better option would be they should stop pretending they have power, and go out there in the media and into communities and yell about how Republicans have too much power, and need it taken away.
Well that was nice of them to make a list of who wants to be primaried
God damn right. Primary every last one of those gutless fuckers and never cast another vote for any of them if they represent you.
The day Americans realized no one was coming to save them 🫂
Might as well let trump win. Maybe a few more assassinations will wake the dems up.
He’s already been impeached twice in his previous presidency, he shouldn’t even be sitting where he’s at
He’s still useful to Israel. Bibi has some Raytheon catalog pages he circled items on.
I knew both sides were bad, but I didn’t realize the rot was infested this badly.
Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Pete Aguilar (California) Gabe Amo (Rhode Island) Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts) Wesley Bell (Missouri) Ami Bera (California) Don Beyer (Virginia) Sanford Bishop (Georgia) Julia Brownley (California) Nikki Budzinski (Illinois) Janelle Bynum (Oregon) Salud Carbajal (California) Andre Carson (Indiana) Ed Case (Hawaii) Sean Casten (Illinois) Kathy Castor (Florida) Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida) Katherine Clark (Massachusetts) Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri) Jim Clyburn (South Carolina) Herb Conaway (New Jersey) Lou Correa (California) Jim Costa (California) Joe Courtney (Connecticut) Angie Craig (Minnesota) Jason Crow (Colorado) Henry Cuellar (Texas) Sharice Davids (Kansas) Don Davis (North Carolina) Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania) Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut) Suzan DelBene (Washington) Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) Debbie Dingell (Michigan) Sarah Elfreth (Maryland) Cleo Fields (Louisiana) Shomari Figures (Alabama) Lizzie Fletcher (Texas) Bill Foster (Illinois) Lois Frankel (Florida) Laura Gillen (New York) Jared Golden (Maine) Dan Goldman (New York) Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey) Adam Gray (California) Josh Harder (California) Jim Himes (Connecticut) Steven Horsford (Nevada) Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) Steny Hoyer (Maryland) Val Hoyle (Oregon) Hakeem Jeffries (New York) Julie Johnson (Texas) Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Bill Keating (Massachusetts) Timothy Kennedy (New York) Ro Khanna (California) Greg Landsman (Ohio) Rick Larsen (Washington) John Larson (Connecticut) George Latimer (New York) Susie Lee (Nevada) Mike Levin (California) Sam Liccardo (California) Ted Lieu (California) Zoe Lofgren (California) Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts) Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island) John Mannion (New York) Lucy McBath (Georgia) Sarah McBride (Delaware) April McClain Delaney (Maryland) Jennifer McClellan (Virginia) Betty McCollum (Minnesota) Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan) Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky) Gregory Meeks (New York) Grace Meng (New York) Kweisi Mfume (Maryland) Joe Morelle (New York) Kelly Morrison (Minnesota) Jared Moskowitz (Florida) Seth Moulton (Massachusetts) Frank Mrvan (Indiana) Richard Neal (Massachusetts) Joe Neguse (Colorado) Johnny Olszewski (Maryland) Frank Pallone (New Jersey) Jimmy Panetta (California) Chris Pappas (New Hampshire) Nancy Pelosi (California) Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington) Scott Peters (California) Brittany Pettersen (Colorado) Nellie Pou (New Jersey) Mike Quigley (Illinois) Jamie Raskin (Maryland) Josh Riley (New York) Deborah Ross (North Carolina) Pat Ryan (New York) Andrea Salinas (Oregon) Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania) Brad Schneider (Illinois) Hillary Scholten (Michigan) Kim Schrier (Washington) Bobby Scott (Virginia) Terri Sewell (Alabama) Adam Smith (Washington) Eric Sorensen (Illinois) Darren Soto (Florida) Greg Stanton (Arizona) Haley Stevens (Michigan) Marilyn Strickland (Washington) Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia) Tom Suozzi (New York) Emilia Sykes (Ohio) Paul Tonko (New York) Ritchie Torres (New York) Lori Trahan (Massachusetts) Derek Tran (California) Lauren Underwood (Illinois) Juan Vargas (California) Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico) Marc Veasey (Texas) Eugene Vindman (Virginia) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida) George Whitesides (California)Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.
My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.
I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.
Really appreciate it. I’ve been telling myself I need to start adding to the emails of my reps, and used this list as the reason to start.
Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
Liberals are against every war except the current one.
Nobody who said “blue no matter who” in 2024 is allowed to say “what the actual fuck” at this.
Disagree, that’s basically saying if you vote in your best interest you can’t complain.
What the actual fuck
The alternative being…? What, third party candidates? Are you kidding? The only alternative to “blue no matter who” is more “red” and as you can see, there is literally zero support from “red” whereas there’s at least a substantial fraction from “blue.”
I don’t think many people who said “blue no matter who” are actually very surprised by this, because the phrase is not coming from die hard supporters, it’s coming from anyone with basic logic skills.
I was a “blue no matter who”, why not?
Especially if they tried to blame objectors
Frankly, I agree. I just want health insurance, weed to be legal and I want for employers to be stripped of some of the freedoms they are abusing to destroy the economy and this country as a whole. I don’t give a fuck who they bomb in the middle east in exchange for it. I just want to be able to live my life. Too bad not enough people voted blue no matter who.
This is why America is going to get a totalitarian purge. It’s also why it probably deserves one, we’re just going to end up doing it reverse to bite it chuckling and moving on with their day like this asshole.
“If I keep chasing the carrot on a stick, I’m sure they’ll let me get it eventually.”
…who they bomb in the Middle East in exchange…
Or who they deport, or the misogyny, or the racism, or the abandonment of health and science and climate.
Quite an American response.
