time to tell everyone NY democrats to “Vote blue no matter who”
I’m sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system
RCV undermines the necessity for a partisan vote. That’s why Cuomo - the party establishment pick - lost by 8 points to a local outsider with better politics and a cleaner reputation.
But I agree, at some point, you do need to support someone. And if that someone is part of a large political organization (aka a party) they can bring a lot of financial and labor resources to bare when organizing and implementing political reforms. In the case of New York City, which is functionally a one party municipality (Dems regularly swamp the GOP 2:1), Zohran’s entrance to the statewide political scene is a huge break from the traditional partisan politics that gave us Eric Adams and threatened to give us four more years of a corrupt, real estate entwined sex pest.
The fact that he’s got a large, active, well-financed DSA behind him - in a way that transformed a coronation into a competitive primary - is a huge point in his favor.
The two party system is a symptom of the actual cause.
From your lips to the ears of Elpis.
Good
And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.
Oh yeah don’t worry - they’re already foaming at the mouth
Hopefully the pendulum swings back hard after this fucking year.
Republicans will control the supreme court for the next 20 years. We will see couple of resignations soon so they can appoint younger, crazier judges. Hopefully progressive democrats will be able to stop the slide towards dictatorship but I don’t except any swinging back.
Democrats won’t get control of the Senate until 2029 January 3rd since the only seat the democrats can win in 2026 election is Maine and its currently 53-47, everything else is locked in place by the staggered election system of the Senate.
Winning the House can’t stop the Judicial appointments that only the Senate has the power to reject
Allow me to introduce you to my friend court packing.
But also in terms of things like Roe, all we need to fix that is a law passed through congress. The court would have no constitutional basis challenging it at that point. If they did it loops back around to justifying court packing.
I like your optimism.
I wouldn’t say optimism. There’s historical precedent for this. Whether or not it will happen I have no idea.
Narrator: (just audible tears.)
God I hope so.
🤞
I’m afraid it’s too late though.
It’s possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won’t get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.
In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.
I wish I was kidding.
Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it’s likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.
The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They’re never going to get the message
But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat
As for it being too late… Yeah, we’re fucked. But we can still make things better. There’s no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.
And there will be an after
100%. The DNC are not your friends and havent been for a while now.
Agree 1000% ~ there’s not much hope left.
Looks like they already beat you. They want people to give up. You’re willingness to roll over accept defeat doesn’t reflect how the rest of us feel.
It is too late for electoral politics to save democracy, if that’s what you’re talking about. People like Mamdani are important for the day after, but Trump will have to be deposed much like his ilk in Ukraine and Tunisia.
Maybe in our current state, where corruption can occur, but in a new, more democratic system where corruption can’t occur because no single person will have enough wealth or the financial incentive to be able to buy politicians.
The problem isn’t electoral politics, but that we don’t live in a democracy.
I was talking more about the whole fascist takeover thing. The current batch of oligarchs and dictators has to go before you can fix anything anywhere, and by the next election cycle American democracy will be dead. The timeline simply doesn’t allow for an electoral solution.
Ah, I thought you were talking about the concept of electoral politics in general and not this specific moment in the US.
I’m always very intrigued by those pushing the rhetoric that it’s too late to use elections to solve this, and admonish anyone that tries.
But at the same time they themselves refuse to start a revolution they insist is the only way. While simultaneously waiting for someone else to do it for them.
In the end the suggestion seems to be to not do anything and hope someone else does it for you. Be that by democratic means or armed means.
If you’re not starting the rebellion you sure as hell need to be engaged with the existing democratic proccess. Otherwise you’re just not doing anything at all. Which is the worst option
So first: You do realize there will likely be no free and fair elections until Trump is overthrown right? It’s too late to solve this using elections because there will be no elections. You’re in the equivalent of 1933 Germany after the Enabling Act, where the Act is substituted by the Republican majority in Congress and the lack of consequences for Trump doing whatever he wants.
Second and more relevantly, though: Revolutions aren’t just “started;” they happen when political unrest reaches a boiling point and is given some kind of trigger. You see the protests in LA? That’s building towards the revolution. A revolution can then turn violent due to violent backlash from the state, but either way it is literally impossible to “start” a revolution in the way you’re talking about. I mean hell, the fall of the Bastille wasn’t exactly planned; it just kind of happened. If a revolution does happen I’d put the start at the current LA protests, but I digress. The point is: To get a revolution, you don’t necessarily need to grab a gun and shoot cops, but you do need to resist on the streets. Again LA is a good example of what I’m talking about, so what I’m calling for is, for starters, more of that in more parts of America. Organize among your community and in your workplace and please someone go on strike already.
PS: I’m not American, so internet forums are about as much as I can get in on the action.
Is it possible that not being American your not fully aware of all the cultural views, different groups of people and their views, etc to be making these kind of declarations?
I don’t think so, no. At the pace democracy is being dismantled at in America, there is simply no possibility of a free and fair midterm. Remember that we’re still not even half a year into this administration.
That’s not all you claimed. I’m just taken back by the confidence in which people tell US citizens what’s happening in their own country and what they should do. Especially when people seem to get upset when Americans do the same thing.
That’s not all you claimed.
Then what else did I claim?
Especially when people seem to get upset when Americans do the same thing.
Do they? If you have a nuanced and informed take on Middle Eastern politics or know how to dismantle a military dictatorship I’m all ears.
Yeah hope has security detail. I worry ICE going grab him and disappear him. Especially if it looks like he will win the general election.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams’ image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they’ll have to go with him.
They already have, for years.
Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs
He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He’s another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.
The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he’s a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.
Indeed, they dusted off big Bill Clinton even.
When I hear that Clinton endorsed a canidate my first tthough was, who cares. That guy hasn’t been in office for over 25 years now. Talk about irrelevant
It’s not for us, it’s for wealthier donors.
Its the Dem tradition of hierarchy, nepotism, and dynasty-slurping
Yeah I’m just saying there’s a lot more to go even in this race alone. Just because ZOHRAN WON the primary that doesn’t mean the Democrats leadership will be happy about it
Be honest. Had you guys heard of In These Times or The Institute for Public Affairs before seeing this post?
Uh, yeah? Inthesetimes is posted all the time. Had you not?
I’m not sure why you’re linking to that non-profit. Are they the owners? It’s there any reason you’d expect people to recognize them?
The latter no, but the former yes. I’ve seen their articles floating around here.
I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.
Agreed but this is a good start.
For sure, but we’ve seen hope like this go down the drain before. The circumstances here were favorable I think. RCV primary against an unlikable and disgraced opponent in NYC is hardly a death knell for the national corpo Dems
Agreed as well, and I don’t wanna jump for joy yet but we gotta take our victories as they come. Hopefully this is a snowball that causes an avalanche of change.
It’s indicative of a deep, irreversible rift in the party. Either democrats adapt or they split in half.
Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.
He even had Clinton’s endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.
Was there actually an endorsement? All I’m finding is that Bill Clinton congratulated him on the primary victory.
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you said he endorsed Mamdani.
I can only hope …
Lets see if you get a President Mamdani in a decade or two. It would be a change for the better.
He can’t run for president since he wasn’t born American.
Assuming it’s not another bait and switch Dem like Fetterman and Sinema.
