• dastanktal@lemmy.ml
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    Hahahahahahaha

    Not even if the Dems had the vote. I am positive someone would block it for civility reasons.

    The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.

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      See Zohran win in NYC.

      Why? The headlines on lemmy made me think that he is the good candidate.

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        Yes he’s wildly popular.

        The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.

        Andrew Cuomo is running independent with his Super PAC that raised billions of dollars.

        Bill Ackman is offering billions of dollars to anybody who can ensure that Zohran cannot win. Admittedly this last one’s a bit of a stretch since this dude’s also a trump supporter.

        These are examples of the DNC not getting out of its own way.

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          The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.

          The Democratic National Committee does not decide State and Local nominations.

          They can’t even “refuse to nominate” for congression races. The only power they have is dictating the rules for the US Presidential Nomination.

          Other than the Presidency whoever wins the primary is the nominee under state laws. Otherwise they could’ve just “refuse to nominate” AOC (which they had no legal power to do btw).

          Their main power is mostly just money to buy propaganda. If people can just be smarter and ignore the propaganda, they could take over easily. The only reason the establishment maintain their power is because the people allows them to keep their power.

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            Yes if people could ignore the propaganda the world would be a much better place.

            Too bad the literal function of propaganda is to sway people’s opinions for people who don’t give a fuck about politics.

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        1. He was running against someone that was
        • famously forced out of office for corruption a few years ago
        • running on a party platform that was uninspiring and brought Trump back to power in November
        1. He ran a really focused campaign on lowering cost of living and income inequality
        2. He’s smart, charming, and authentic - and that motivated a lot of people to campaign for him
        3. He released a fire track about how dope is grandmother is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVsVNPkPmE
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      The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.

      So vote to expand the progressive side of the dem party

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        You mean to say our votes can override an organization that argued in court that since its a private service they could just ignore the vote of the people and pick who they wanted?

        The same organization that always manages to organize and attack leftist like Zohran and Bernie but can’t find any footing against Trump?

        Yep. That will work. Just gotta vote harder.

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            I really really don’t think that will change anything. People been trying to change the democrats for the better part of ten years.

            Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.

            There isn’t one that isn’t a major concession that undercuts the original proposal.

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              Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.

              Billions for renewable energy buildouts?

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                Yep that’s definitely helped Americans get Universal Health Care, reduce poverty, increase purchasing power, make housing work accessible, and meaningfully lower the number of homeless in the United States.

                Oh wait it didn’t do any of those things. It made rich people richer while holding lip service for the climate conscious people

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                  Jesus fucking christ dude. You don’t see how big investment in renewable energy helps everyone?

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                I am under no illusions that even if and it’s a big if the Democrats managed to take back enough seats in both the house and the Senate to actually impeach and prosecute Trump that they still won’t do it that they will be spineless and that they will offer supposed Olive branches across the aisle.

                We had one guy win a primary in a mayoral race. You guys are acting as if this changes everything. It’s interesting to watch for sure and there are lessons to be learned but that does not mean that everything is changing. It’s not even guaranteed he’ll win the Mayoral race. The DNC is even considering not giving him the nomination despite him winning.

                The billionaire class is already mobilizing to try and ensure this guy never gets elected. Do you think they’re going to make it any easier when he’s in office?

                By all means we should engage in electoral politics but we should not be under any illusions that it will fix the system we have nor should we be under any illusion that our politicians will save us from the problem that is Donald Trump. If anything the Democrats seem more than happy to capitulate to what he wants since they’re not in the majority.

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                  Do you think they’re going to make it any easier when he’s in office?

                  No, but your writing is that we should give up prematurely. That is why we also need to protest.

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    It’s not enough to just elect Democrats. Ok technically Democrats would have 67 votes in the Senate if they flipped every single Republican seat, which would be just enough to convict. But that’s not happening.

    Instead, there needs to be a movement by anti Trump forces from across the spectrum to primary Republicans and replace them with anti Trump candidates. That effort needs to start now.

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      Tfw electing Democrats is “not happening” but flipping a cult against it’s demented, corrupt, rapist leader makes way more sense.

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    “33 Senate Seats are on the ballot”

    LMFAO.

    Let me introduce you to Staggered Elections

    Only Maine’s seat is even winnable, the other ones up for relection in 2026 are all safe Blue or Safe Red states

    Currently its 53-47. Highly doubt that Dems can win 3 in Red States. (Unless we get a White Boi Hillbilly Revolution?)

    The House cannot block juidicial nominations.

    Judicial nominations are not subject to Filibuster.

    So…

    Not to be a pessimist, but…

    Looks like an uphill battle…

    😕

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    Not only that, demand reinforced impartial safeguards against potential electoral rigging.

    The wolf must not guard the hen house, and there’s already a lot of weird stuff regarding the last election from said wolf.

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      And Johnson will refuse to swear in any Democrats that do happen to win seats in areas machines weren’t seized.

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      Still a better result than them holding onto power without needing to do that.

      Like, people get that right?

      If that happens it’s a bad thing, because obviously. But it makes it even more undeniable that there are only 4 boxes that bring about political change.

      Republicans taking those blatant of steps to subvert democracy won’t work out for them.

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      If voting actually matters, they would spend so many money and resources convincing you that it’s pointless. Like, leaving comments about it under every post.
      Fun fact, it’s the second time in this thread I needed to write this exact answer to this exact comment, repeated almost exactly word to word.

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    Dont forget, if dems dont vote its a guarantee that rupublicans will win. Vote early and dont forget to vote on your local elections too. Even a judge can make all the difference

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      also the fuckery with them rigging the voting machines which are predominantly in republican areas.

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    We’re going to gain a lot of seats, just because we already did a 180 from the Victory Fund nonsense that cost us those seats to begin with:

    https://democrats.org/news/dnc-and-asdc-announces-organize-everywhere-win-anywhere-strategy-largest-ever-monthly-dnc-investment-into-democratic-state-and-territory-parties/

    Going from bankrupting those state parties to the biggest funding push ever will allow those red/purple districts to fight back and flip seats.

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      I hope we do because I could swear I kept hearing the consensus was that we would barely have any possible seats to gain in the midterms and the best we could hope for was not having a greater R majority :(

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        Because since 2016 the DNC has only cared about the president and not down ballot races…

        The states we gave up on weren’t impossible to win, they were just impossible to win after the DNC Victory Fund took all their donations and left them penniless.

        Like, if I told you 100 of your neighbors will starve to death, that sounds depressing as fuck. If you then found out they were starving because I raised grocery prices even though unsold food was thrown away, these higher prices make me an extra 10kna year

        You shouldn’t just be mad your neighbors are gonna starve…

        You should be absolutely irrate at me for causing the problem and pretending there is nothing anyone can do except be sad.

        I feel like that’s a pretty apt analogy for what the DNC has been doing to any state that didn’t do exactly what they said including removing their primary delegates.

        Shits been a lot worse than most people realize. So it’s going to be very easy to retake a lot of ground. Just by the DNC not acting like fucking idiots for the first time in a decade. And Obama’s 8 years the DNC was basically non-existent. Because I stead of fixing the DNC, Obama just fucking ignored it.

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        You mean in 2020 when Biden won?

        When a dem becomes president, they name the DNC chair, and the DNC does a performative vote to confirm.

        So the voting members of the DNC didn’t have an opportunity to move the party left like they just did.

        If Kamala had won, she would have named a DNC chair just like the ones that had been fucking up.

        So to be clear, I held my nose and voted D like always.

        But if she had won the party would still be fucked. Settling for a neoliberal never fixed anything, because they knew if they let an unbiased DNC happen, progressives would take over the party.

        And that just happened.

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    By my math, Dems need a clean sweep to get to 65 (+2 independents) for a total of 67. If even a single Republican up for reelection next year gets it we’ll fall short as usual. So nope, no convicting the traitor in the White House after the next election either.

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        Spent my whole life watching Dems grab defeat from the jaws of victory. With the stakes so much higher I expect nothing less of them.

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          You’re living in the past, man! Although, I totally hear you on that.

          Was it over when Obama faced McCain? No! Was it over when Obama blew the first debate against Romney? Hell no! Did trump-backed candidates win after 2018? Not really!

          Get winning in your mind! It has been done, it will be done again!

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            You’re living in the past, man!

            Dem leaderships is already whining about how Zohran Mamdani winning the primary is bad for the party. They will absolutely continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

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              And Republican leadership whined when the tea party appeared on the scene.

              Now look at where they are. It is possible

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          Yup. This is the election they’ve been training to lose for decades.

          I’m still gonna go vote though. And try to get others to vote too.

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            Best of luck, but the second those MAGAts got back in power the chances of a free and fair election went out the window.

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    Yeah no. Whether American democracy will survive will have already been decided by the midterms. The timeline simply doesn’t allow for an electoral victory to stop Trump.

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      Then the DNC runs an “independent” in the race against you when you win your primary and the monied interests fund that person, splitting the vote against the MAGA republican who calls them both commies and wins anyway. It’s happening in NYC already with Cuomo remaining on the ballot.

      • Adams and the other guy are the MAGA Republicans. Cuomo running as Independent will only take votes from them. They all share the same target demographic: assholes. Adams and Cuomo are pretty much universally hated by anyone who voted Zohran

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          Adams and Cuomo are pretty much universally hated by anyone who voted Zohran

          And what’s more, many people will simply vote for the Dem candidate, for one reason or another. For reasons good and bad - but here, ‘vote blue no matter who’ works in the favor of the progressive.

          We’ll see if it’s enough, but it’s definitely a disadvantage to the dickweed fascist Cuomo.

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    Technically 35 are up, two special elections, and only 22 are Republican seats so we could afford to lose 2 of the 35 with the goal of removing Trump. Still doable.

    We could, however, lose 9 of them and still undo citizens united, pass medicaid for all, maybe tax the rich, etc.

    More realistically I think we will see Republicans getting ousted in different ways than electing the DNC whose platform are those reforms I mentioned, instead we will probably see their seats go to moderate independents.