Cool in theory, but what are the Palestinian states borders? Its government?
Will they? When? Before or after the genocide is complete?
I think the guy above you is asking what is Macron recognising as “Palestine”. As in does he recognise Palestine as a state under attack by Israel for example, and in recognising Palestine, does he also say that Israel is unlawfully occupying their territory.
Or what exactly does Macron say Palestine’s legitimate government is. Hamas? Fatah? The Knesset?
Well ideally for Israel, we all just forget this whole ordeal once they get the genocide done.
Their entire play is:
whoops, we did it again, we played with your hearts Got lost in the game but bro trust me, this time for real: never again
HOLY SHIT FINALLY
Don’t get fooled . There is no mention of Palestine right to security and self defense. He ask for Palestinians to be completely demilitarized before having real assurance that Israel will end occupation completely , there is no mention of how the two state solution would be accomplished and what will happen if Israel refuses
But does that mean they’ll recognize the genocide?
It’s like saying they’ll recognize the house but won’t acknowledge that it’s on fire.
It’s a step at least. If Palestine is recognized as a state, then it’s no longer an “internal affair” that Israel is engaged with, but instead against another sovereign state that has the right to defend itself and freely negotiate with other nations for aid and support.
It’s just gaslighting and fooling people.
Palestinians already has the right to defense based on UN general assembly 37/43, un general assembly resolution 2625 and Article 1(4) of the Geneva Protocol I. Even
If you read the official document written to Traitor and Israeli asset Abbass you will see that it talk about right to Israel to live in security but not for Palestinians, they ask to demilitarize all Palestine without any security guarantees and a vow to stop the occupation .
We all know that the USA will never allow Palestine to be recognized anyway. Even it does, countries don’t have to wait for Palestine to be recognized to do their obligation and sanctions Israel state wide and stop any military collaboration since they signed genocide and Geneva conventions
The USA and Israel will always try to stop any aid and support to reach Palestinians
This could be a signal that they would take the right side on the Israel-EU trade debate.
this is a smoke screen to make you forget about Israel-EU trade debate
How is this making me forget about Gaza?
I said t Israel-EU trade debate not forgetting gaza
Yeah, but the biggest issue in front of the EU that has any chance of altering anything in the short term is the trade deal. How does this distract from it?
They are fighting against the US trade war and you want me to believe that they can’t do more against Israel. I don’t want to here any excuses from western leaders who either applauded Israel when they attacked Iran nuclear facilities which is a big war crime or was just silent.
I am not saying they can’t do more, or that they are not culpable.
I am saying that this is Macron inching away from the genocidal chorus towards the side trying to do something. I am not even saying he’s actually going to take that side, just that maybe he will.
I am saying that this is Macron inching away from the genocidal chorus towards the side trying to do something Congrats you got fooled, that’s exactly what Israel and macron want you to believe
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France’s mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS President of the Palestinian Authority
No condemnation of Israel occupation , blaming everything on Hamas and asking demilitarization without providing zero security guarantees, yet you think macron is genuine about recognizing Palestine and about Palestinians living in peace
“hello? Based department?”
France was also the loudest opponent in NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It’s the reason why the “French are cowards” trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
“there is no French word for entrepreneur”
“French are cowards” trope
Yeah I hate that one. France being great and the French being a bunch of legends aside, the French army is the most successful in all of history to the best of my knowledge. That one “recent” blip aside.
You have to hand it to the Germans though… The oul blitzkrieg was a game changer. No shade on the French. Maybe a little for not reinforcing the Ardennes route but sure look, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
That one “recent” blip aside.
Even then, France held out for more days than many other WW2 countries who don’t get accused of cowardice for it.
Yeah in the face of it they were pragmatic. Given the circumstances, after the initial outmanoeuvre I’ve never seen anyone criticise what they did with a meaningful alternative and they ate shit to get the Brits back across the channel so they could fight another day.
Vive la France! 🇫🇷
Took fucking long enough
In France, they repressed palestinian strike, canceled meeting and media defended Israel, he told us he won’t arrest Netanyahu, despiste the CPI decision. There is so many things wrong.
Even if he does it, i don’t trust him, he could act long before.
As tens of thousands of Gazans starve to death this week…
when?? after every Palestinian has starved to death? just so they can pretend to have a moral standing?
At the next UN assembly. It says right there in the article.
Basically France now recognises the State of Palestine, and will make it official at the UN assembly.
it was rethorical… thousands more will starve by September
Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn’t change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don’t understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
I just don’t understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
That’s the point, it doesn’t… condemning Israel publicly, temporarily breaking economic relationship with Israel and/or urging other to so the same would (for example)
My point is this is likely just empty talk… Imagine the major of your town saying they will increase the Fire Fighters budget in the next fiscal year as a response to your house being on fire RIGHT NOW… do you get it now?
It doesn’t, that’s the point. We don’t need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
It’s still important to recognise Palestine as a state. And it doesn’t delay any other action.
It seems to me that the progress you see is not the progress you want, so you consider it pointless. But the truth is, it’s still progress, and it doesn’t take away from the other priorities you mention.
So, once again, I don’t understand your point.
And it doesn’t delay any other action.
What other actions?
What other action does this delay?
This is part of that process. France is sort of saying that they are willing to put boots on the ground to stop this, without saying exactly that.
Because being a member state of the UN comes with perks, like the ability to request UN peace keepers.
This is part of that process. France is sort of saying that they are willing to put boots on the ground to stop this, without saying exactly that.
How can anybody be fooled about this?
No condemnation of Israel occupation , blaming everything on Hamas and asking demilitarization without providing zero security guarantees, yet you think macron is genuine about recognizing Palestine and about Palestinians living in peace
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France’s mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS President of the Palestinian Authority
UN forces?
Forget it. There are UN forces in southern Lebanon, quite a lot actually, with the mandate to disarm hezbollah. You saw how that went - Lebanon is still kind of a failed state were hezbollah was a major armed faction with thousands of rockets until the recent war with Israel. There is a reason why the UN is not really trusted by many Israelis and I really doubt that UN peacekeepers are able to disarm Hamas in Gaza, normalize the situation and stop militant palestinians from attacking Israel. It does sound like a good solution, but TBH there is no military force in the world that is able to win such an urban guerilla war. Russia maybe by destroying everything and murdering everybody. UN forces won’t help.
OK, they don’t recognize them State anymore. You got your fucking wish.
Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
They didn’t do it, he just said they will.
They are trying to cover their assess from the accountability of being complicit with the genocide the whole time, they are counting on people like you to let them get away with it.
What does recognize Palestinian state mean? They’ll give us what’s left of the rubble in Gaza and the few ghettos they allow us to call the Palestinian territory in the West Bank?
Is there anything proposed that will actually give Palestinians any semblance of justice?
No condemnation of Israel occupation , blaming everything on Hamas and asking demilitarization without providing zero security guarantees, yet you think macron is genuine about recognizing Palestine and about Palestinians living in peace
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France’s mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS President of the Palestinian Authority
So one side that proves in front of cameras it will bomb entire city, use food as a war weapon, bomb multiple countries in the region for no valid reason, have a mandatory inscription, will have unlimited military aid, while the other will have no military ability, and we expect to believe this will work out?
Sure it is a good start, but fuck you have to see a genocide for no reason to do bare minimum is insane.
just so they can pretend to have a moral standing? Yes
Well, nice knowin’ ya
yet another Fr*nch W keep it up and I may uncensor your name :D
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France’s mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS President of the Palestinian Authority
Send troops to stop the fucking genocide!
In April he teased that they might recognize Palestine in June. What’s the hold up? https://www.arabprogress.org/en/macron-and-the-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-the-stated-position-and-its-prospects/
they had to discuss more with israel and traitors to have a strong plan to demilitarize Palestinians while giving zero guarantees that Israel will end occupation
Unironically, admitting Israel, Palestine and Lebanon into the European Union might actually be the solution to this whole fucking clusterfuck.
Edit: major major reforms should take place of course, and Israel should dismantle apartheid and pay reparations, while Lebanon should dismantle the sectarian dysfunction of their government, but as a long term horizon this region needs the wildly successful EU model of peaceful pacification more than any other region in the world.
I doubt that would ever happen anyway, but Britain and Ireland were both in the EU for a long time before they actually struck a peace deal in the Good Friday Agreement.
Ireland’s in the EU since 1973
But the violence carried on until 1998. Just them both joining the EU wasn’t enough. It wasn’t genocide levels, but it took a lot of work from both sides to get the bombs to stop.
I know, the EU was also supposed to be the solution to the Cyprus occupation, and that didn’t work either.
I’m not saying that the EU itself is the solution, but that the horizon of the EU, or at least something similar (a MEU?) could play that stabilizing role.
Unironically, admitting Israel, Palestine and Lebanon into the European Union might actually be the solution to this whole fucking clusterfuck.
Only if the EU disarms Israel and restores the '47 border in the process, then prosecute the IDF leadership for war crimes.
Otherwise, you might as well suggest we admit Ukraine and Russia to the EU to settle that fight as well.
Membership requires that candidate country has achieved stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights, respect for and protection of minorities, […].
Yeah, that’s not going to happen.
There is only one solution to a Fascist state like Israel and that is dismantling its entire government.
The EU struggles enough with keeping Hungary and Poland in line. Now imagine taking on countries that have been at war (or at least a cold war) for three quarters of a century.
