I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.
Deport Barron!
They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don’t like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?
Well, stealing land and getting rid of people they don’t like are among the core founding values of America so this tracks.
Good then after that they can deport Trump and his family into a volcano.
One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.
Would it be correct to describe this as “apartheid”?
Yes, to the out group, this will be an apartheid.
It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.
Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.
So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.
Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?
the rich: “I hate how I have most of the money instead of all of the money.”
You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away
Republicans: “Hold my beer”
At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety
Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end
“You’re fired”
But the Epstein files bro, release the list and we defeat facism bro, trust me he is there it doens matter that every one already knows , talk about the lost please bro trust me bro it’s not a complete waste of time trust me bro
Huh?
Idk this dude doesn’t want to arrest a pedo cabal for some reason
He is now much closer to his goal
Removing the citizenship of all non white people
Under these rules, Trump himself isn’t a citizen
Hitler didn’t have blonde hair either
Back to Oompa Loompa Land he goes.
Can you explain that please? I just read the document and I don’t see why this is true.
His mother was an immigrant with questionable citizenship at the time of his birth.
And his father? Because it also says clearly that as long as one parent is a green card holder or citizen that citizen ship is granted.
His father is questionable as well since he had immigrant parents on both sides.
And his, ahem, ‘wife’ is definitely not.
Here’s another thing to think about… This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He’s a convicted rapist and rapes children.
Trump just released Miller’s plan
Italian plumbers need to pay that cucked pedophile a visit
That would be 🕶️ super
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
Revoking citizenship of people that already have it is insane but the whole concept of birthright citizenship is also silly. Citizenship should be gained through residency, not simply being born somewhere.
It’s silly unless you have the conditions of thr north American anglosphere. This is a right borne by crimes against humanity in an attempt to ensure no people born here are denied full protection of the state ever again.
Euros love to act like Americans never learned anything from our history but this is a vital part of our history and our attempt to do better
Or we could just try erasing yhe silly bullshit map lines and treating everyone like people?
Sure, we can do it right after countries stop fighting with each other over resources, influence, ideology and religion. When do you think will this happen?
countries
Why do i give a shit about them? The one that’s supposedly mine wants me dead. Deployed the military i paid for to kidnap my friends, point guns at me when i go tk the only grocery store in easy walking distance. Why the fuck do i want that?
Nevermind the more subtle ikpersonal shit like letting borders be permeable to goods but not people, isolating laborers from solidarity and increasing the efficiency of exploitation worldwide when we can be more easily pitted against each other.
ideology and religion
So, the place I’m in: it’s literally illegal to believe some of the things i believe if you weren’t born here, the governing ideology is a queerphobic exterminationist christofascism, and everything i love is under threat from the killers who steal money from me in taxes so they can shoot chemical weapons at me when i ask them to stop killing black people.
The governments on the other side of both land borders have expressed zero explicit desire to exterminate me, and never pointed guns at me because i wanted strawberries, like the one here did for most of this month.
Im trapped in here with the kkk and florida, but i cant have the best-on-the-continent chinese food of vancouver or the excellent tacos of oaxaca unless i risk my life crossing that imaginary line-and, again; not super worried about the mexicans or Canadians killing me or telling me i can never go home. They don’t even think about it unless i date them, and even then theyre still more peaceful than a lot of the monsters here.
resources
I’ve lived in an extraction town in the continental US. It was dystopian, dirty, and poor. We were exploited abd stolen from. How the fuck did the border protect me? Protect the people who couldn’t leave? Especially jow with the abolition of OSHA the NLB and the EPA; what the fuck is the point? What does a ‘country’ do for me? How does it represent me? Please explain this to me.
I actually spend abouf half my time in an extraction town right now, one that got wealthy by also being a shipping/entertainment hub. People are dying on the streets. How the fuck does the border help them?
Explain how the fuck a border keeps me safe. To me, it just feels like a cage.
Explain how the fuck a border keeps me safe.
It doesn’t. It keeps me safe from people from your country. US has a long history of destroying other countries for it’s political and economical gains. We have borders to protect us from countries like US and Russia. It doesn’t always work but we sure as hell need them.
keeps me safe
Okay. But that doesn’t seem like it’s in the interest of people trapped here.
US has a long history of doing the thing i just said it protects me from
So… When were borders invented? I assume that just stopped when they were invented, right?
and Russia
Doing a great job at that.
If you want to remove borders from you country I have nothing against it. In EU we already have free movement across most of the block. When it comes to external borders I definitely would like to keep them and I’m not really interested how people from hostile countries feel about it.
hostile countries
What if we just stopped having those?
If he so much as touches mine he will regret it for the rest of his short life
It’s totally alright as long he touches others citizenship’s tho… /s
Go lil plumber go!
Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?
They can’t even get their own story straight.
Life begins at the moment of insertion.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Plenty of Latinos and black folks in ICE, but go off
Useful idiots. There were jews with the Brownshirts too.
I’m curious what you think the significance of that is?
Oh my sweet summer child
You’ve never heard of race traitors before?
Or internalized racism if you want to be more polite
Normally I try to be polite, but it’s difficult when discussing the enforcement arm of a fascist regime.
If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.
The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
This is literally how demons are in Frieren.
I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.
Now you are getting it.
I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).
Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!
This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don’t require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
still require agriculture
Im talking about the ‘must always grow’ shit. Yes we still need food
immigrants
Fuck borders. Why? What’s the benefit of them to actual people? They’re just problems. Let people ho where they want.
people shouldn’t be alienated from their food
Agree.
fuck corporate (thing)
Agree
Let people ho where they want.
Preserving this amazing typo in case you decide to “fix” it.
Spotted it, decided not to.
Here’s a wacky idea: if Americans won’t do it, Americans don’t get to eat. Let’s see how long it takes for things to change…
So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.
Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.
Or physically can’t.
This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.
We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.
People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That’s what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.
Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.
I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.
This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It’s a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife’s edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It’s like they’re controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.
Robots will be mainstream soon. Humans won’t be needed.
Robots are great for situations that don’t require adaptations. Anything that requires novel choices will require humans for the foreseeable future.
AI will progress in that future.
Alternately: hollowing out our educational systems will diminish human capabilities in this realm
It’s a ten year race against China. Education won’t have much of an influence.
Ah, the perfect reminder that people on Lemmy can be just as big of dipshits as people on reddit were.
Do you just not like AI or do you have a reason to believe that there won’t be significant progress?
Not OP but out current implementations of LLMs and similar models are just fundementally incapable of true reasoning, we can keep pumping money into them with diminishing returns but its never going to turn into AGI. Maybe not the best example but LLMs are like bronze, pretty good but no matter how much better you get at bronze working its just never going to allow for the things that could be done with more advanced metalurgy. Right now the big names are pouring money into bronze and no one is figuring out how to smelt iron.
By smelting bronze one learns about ores and sooner or later discovers iron ore.
The processes matter, the data, the teams.
Using imprecise terms like AI make it impossible to know. Do you mean than machine learning/neural networks can make robots adaptive enough to pick oranges and butcher chickens, or do you think LLMs are going to get “smart” enough to become AGI?
Both. Many resources are put into the former which inevitably will lead to somebody having an insight for the latter.
Not the stuff we have now. True AI is still a long way off.
We’re gonna burn up the planet with energy use for AI before that happens
All that coal was created from trees, which are younger than sharks. Nature wasn’t burning then, will not be burning soon. Nature will survive, it’s the industrial farming that will be difficult.
I thought so too but with the warming trends we are experiencing at unprecedented rates the planet does not have time to adapt as well. We are now looking at a possible Venus scenario if this warming continues at this rate. If we look closely we are still increasing our load on the planet and thus increasing the speed of the cycle. Meaning all flora would not have the thousands of years to adapt to the warming as it has previously in earth’s history.
We may just kill every live thing on the entire planet because of our greed.
There are always algues and fish unless we go out of our way and poison the ocean.
But I can’t imagine that no plant will adapt or is already adapted. Some palm trees, some weed will survive.
Eventually, but quickly enough.
There will always be some who will get their thrills off abusing actual humans and not robots. Pedo types, like those names of power hiding in the Epstein files.
