"The people stealing from Americans are not folks with tattoos and hoodies—it's people wearing suits and ties and congressional pins, sitting in this Capitol right now," said Rep. Maxwell Frost.
You’re disgusting, you’re okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn’t going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one
Correct. The problem is that you’re not hearing the setup, or you don’t care, which solidifies my decision.
The trolley was coming to kill a million of our children. There were two other tracks, one was empty, and one just took an extra loop to hit you first.
And you monsters simply pulled the brakes off and ripped the third completely empty track off so the trolley had no chance of missing anyone. So I made sure it takes you too.
There’s no moral high ground, I said we collectively deserve it, I accept my punishment for living in and supporting the genocidal empire. You deserve it for your apathy.
Either way, at least when the US empire collapses when Trump is done with it, it’ll stop genociding nations and getting stupid responses like yours.
Scum like you makes this world a darker place because you use “the children” as an excuse to justify your immorality. If you wanted to kill yourself, you could have done it without taking the lives of so many innocents. Instead not only are you the proxy perpetrator of a different genocide, you’ve simply allowed the world to burn because of your hatred. You can’t modify the trolley problem by just saying “uhhh there’s ackshually three tracks and one is on a loop so fuck you” or come at me with “but you didn’t hear the setup!!”. There is no other setup you fucking buffoon. There was a simple binary choice and you chose wrong. You are a moron, through and through. You are the kind of person that makes me realize that actual democracy may have been a mistake, because idiots don’t deserve to make decisions. WE don’t “collectively” deserve shit because there is no WE. May your precious God have mercy on your soul in the next life, you dishonourable bastard.
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can’t be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you’re squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
As a party, the Dems suck. Absolutely. And in the long-term, as an opposition party, they are not great.
That being said, are the non-voters and protest non-voters children? The nonsense I’m reading about non-voters not being “inspired” or not being “captured” by Democrats to convince them to vote against fascism sounds like a description of a salesman trying to sell products, not the either-or choice being given to every adult American, which is, as a citizen, their own goddamn responsibility to be party to.
A non-vote is still a vote. You don’t absolve yourself of the outcome by choosing not to participate, because if you can vote, you’re already participating.
There were three real options this past election: MAGA, Dems, and I-don’t-care-they’re-equally-bad. So yes, not voting when fascists win means you supported fascism.
Obviously that does not mean non-voters are solely to blame. Republicans accepted fascists, those that voted R chose fascists, Dems suck as a party, and non-voters sat back and allowed fascists to take power. On the list, non-voters are the least bad, certainly, but they still bear responsibility.
Arguing with me isn’t going to change anything. You should be arguing with the people that nominate establishment candidates.
Go ahead, blame me all you want; I genuinely don’t care. If you want me to get out and vote, then your neo-liberal, lesser-evil buddies need to be the ones who ‘fall in line.’
Every effort you spend in trying to get me to support establishment candidates is futile.
Lol this is not the flex that you think it is. This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote. So there is no reason to cater to them. And history plays this out, every time the Dems rely on the left voter, they don’t show up. At this point you’d be an absolute fool to cater to or rely on the left. The real futility here is ever thinking the left will ever show up, so what’s the point.
So pat yourself on the back on helping to move the overton window to the right. Yes you. Every single time you protest no vote.
Ok I really have to bow out of talking to you. Like you said it’s futile. PS look up what neoliberal means.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
So, between someone who doesn’t allign 100% with my views and it’s not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it’s your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don’t get any of what’s coming for you, because you know… you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for.
there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for
Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you “have empathy” for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we’d all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn’t pan out
“Queermunist”, implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you… you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what’s coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there’s a very significant change, it’s not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Did I say I was fine with this? I just believe we can do things other than wait for the next election to stop it from happening. Get organized, get a gun, and get ready.
Are you going to act? Or are you going to sit on your ass and wait for another election that is never going to come?
Because if you’re waiting for the next election to stop fascism you are going to lose.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn’t even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Don’t be so modest, you’re excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient. That’s why you won’t lift a finger to resist fascism. Voting is the limit of your participation in politics and you aren’t going to be allowed to vote fascist away.
I won’t be surprised when volunteer to be one of the camp guards because you think you can change the system from the inside.
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He’s a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don’t feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don’t have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
“The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Or, put simply, “the democrats are evil in a way that doesn’t impact me”.
The percentage of people who don’t vote hasn’t changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don’t vote and that’s all there is to be said about it. If you’re waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you’re going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.
Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they’re concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse
They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.
Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn’t vote were single issue losers who couldn’t see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.
And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.
You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, “who will hurt the people I hate most”. They like to play it off as “Fiscally republican” or some other shit, but it’s all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren’t because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn’t act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn’t be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That’s how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn’t fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there’s one less republican in congress.
A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be allowed.
You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Willingly. We collectively deserve it.
You’re disgusting, you’re okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn’t going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
Correct. The problem is that you’re not hearing the setup, or you don’t care, which solidifies my decision.
The trolley was coming to kill a million of our children. There were two other tracks, one was empty, and one just took an extra loop to hit you first.
And you monsters simply pulled the brakes off and ripped the third completely empty track off so the trolley had no chance of missing anyone. So I made sure it takes you too.
There’s no moral high ground, I said we collectively deserve it, I accept my punishment for living in and supporting the genocidal empire. You deserve it for your apathy.
Either way, at least when the US empire collapses when Trump is done with it, it’ll stop genociding nations and getting stupid responses like yours.
Scum like you makes this world a darker place because you use “the children” as an excuse to justify your immorality. If you wanted to kill yourself, you could have done it without taking the lives of so many innocents. Instead not only are you the proxy perpetrator of a different genocide, you’ve simply allowed the world to burn because of your hatred. You can’t modify the trolley problem by just saying “uhhh there’s ackshually three tracks and one is on a loop so fuck you” or come at me with “but you didn’t hear the setup!!”. There is no other setup you fucking buffoon. There was a simple binary choice and you chose wrong. You are a moron, through and through. You are the kind of person that makes me realize that actual democracy may have been a mistake, because idiots don’t deserve to make decisions. WE don’t “collectively” deserve shit because there is no WE. May your precious God have mercy on your soul in the next life, you dishonourable bastard.
Move the goalposts much?
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can’t be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you’re squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
You can keep doing gymnastics. Ciao.
This is what nominating the lesser-evil got us.
As a party, the Dems suck. Absolutely. And in the long-term, as an opposition party, they are not great.
That being said, are the non-voters and protest non-voters children? The nonsense I’m reading about non-voters not being “inspired” or not being “captured” by Democrats to convince them to vote against fascism sounds like a description of a salesman trying to sell products, not the either-or choice being given to every adult American, which is, as a citizen, their own goddamn responsibility to be party to.
A non-vote is still a vote. You don’t absolve yourself of the outcome by choosing not to participate, because if you can vote, you’re already participating.
There were three real options this past election: MAGA, Dems, and I-don’t-care-they’re-equally-bad. So yes, not voting when fascists win means you supported fascism.
Obviously that does not mean non-voters are solely to blame. Republicans accepted fascists, those that voted R chose fascists, Dems suck as a party, and non-voters sat back and allowed fascists to take power. On the list, non-voters are the least bad, certainly, but they still bear responsibility.
You still don’t understand.
Arguing with me isn’t going to change anything. You should be arguing with the people that nominate establishment candidates.
Go ahead, blame me all you want; I genuinely don’t care. If you want me to get out and vote, then your neo-liberal, lesser-evil buddies need to be the ones who ‘fall in line.’
Every effort you spend in trying to get me to support establishment candidates is futile.
Lol this is not the flex that you think it is. This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote. So there is no reason to cater to them. And history plays this out, every time the Dems rely on the left voter, they don’t show up. At this point you’d be an absolute fool to cater to or rely on the left. The real futility here is ever thinking the left will ever show up, so what’s the point.
So pat yourself on the back on helping to move the overton window to the right. Yes you. Every single time you protest no vote.
Ok I really have to bow out of talking to you. Like you said it’s futile. PS look up what neoliberal means.
Sorry, I stopped reading after this. You’re clueless.
Gonna ignore you now. Have fun wasting your efforts doing the same thing expecting different results.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
Thank you for admitting there was no logic. You want your feelings pandered to.
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
So, between someone who doesn’t allign 100% with my views and it’s not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it’s your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don’t get any of what’s coming for you, because you know… you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for.
Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you “have empathy” for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we’d all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.
This shit is so fucking lazy.
Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
Just because it wasn’t 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t good legislation.
Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it’s on you, mr protest voter.
Biden butchered children by the tens of thousands. I want to fucking die because I voted for that monster.
Huh, I had no idea Biden was Prime Minister of Israel. I’d always heard it was that Netanyahu guy.
…he gave him the weapons. And kept giving them after knowing what was happening…
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn’t pan out
“Queermunist”, implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you… you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what’s coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there’s a very significant change, it’s not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Imagine telling a minority “you deserve to be killed by fascists because you didn’t vote for my preferred candidate.”
It’s like they say! Scratch a liberal…
It’s called self preservation and acknowledging that America’s voting system is fundamentally flawed. You vote for harm reduction not perfection.
It’s easier to fight against the genocide in Israel when you’re not under a fascist government in your own country
I refuse to choose genocide for self preservation.
In fact, I kind of want to die just for my role as a passive participant in the genocide. I think about Aaron Bushnell a lot.
Then you’ll get fascism at home. And did.
You sound like kind of a fool.
So by not wanting to be complicit in one genocide you allowed fascism to rise and now are unwilling complicit in more crimes against humanity.
Harm reduction is a simple concept
Imagine telling someone you’re fine with queer people being killed at home, because you’re so entitled that you sat out to defend those people.
Did I say I was fine with this? I just believe we can do things other than wait for the next election to stop it from happening. Get organized, get a gun, and get ready.
Are you going to act? Or are you going to sit on your ass and wait for another election that is never going to come?
Because if you’re waiting for the next election to stop fascism you are going to lose.
There’s this nice little thing called OPSEC and talking about such things just makes you a target.
Imagine being part of a minority that a president has vowed to hunt and actively or passively help that president come to power so he can hunt you.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn’t even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Don’t be so modest, you’re excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient. That’s why you won’t lift a finger to resist fascism. Voting is the limit of your participation in politics and you aren’t going to be allowed to vote fascist away.
I won’t be surprised when volunteer to be one of the camp guards because you think you can change the system from the inside.
Loser attitude.
Whiny bitch attitude.
We voted against it, dipshit. Stop trying to goad others into taking physical action when you’re too much of a pussy to do it yourself.
Stop typing. The more you type, the more of a fool you make yourself out to be.
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He’s a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don’t feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Do you feel innocent?
You’re the whiniest drama queen I’ve come across so far on Lemmy.
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don’t have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
“The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Or, put simply, “the democrats are evil in a way that doesn’t impact me”.
You’re not very smart, are you?
The percentage of people who don’t vote hasn’t changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don’t vote and that’s all there is to be said about it. If you’re waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you’re going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.
The difference in non-voters between 2020 and 2024 was enough to swing the election.
Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they’re concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse
If you’re so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.
They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.
Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn’t vote were single issue losers who couldn’t see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.
And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.
You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, “who will hurt the people I hate most”. They like to play it off as “Fiscally republican” or some other shit, but it’s all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren’t because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn’t act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn’t be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That’s how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn’t fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there’s one less republican in congress.
How many billions in student loan debt did Biden create by helping establish the predatory student-loan system as it currently exists?
She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
Yeah, way worse than literal fascism.
Lol. Do you still wear your clown nose when you’re at home alone? 🤡
You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.
Always authoritarian bullshit from you people, pathetic
If you don’t vote, your opinion is worthless. You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be allowed.
So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?