The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.
The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.
The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.
Yeah, the problem isn’t just with Netanyahu or his gov. You have an entire society thats mostly corrupt.
about half say they outright want to kill every palestinian. Half said no to that, but I imagine for some portion of those if a genocide happened without their explicitely supporting it, theyd be thrilled.
Most of y’all weren’t bothered by the reports of all the bombing, pillaging and starvation the US caused my country, but that’s in the past right? The ancient past known as 1984 but Americans will just say “that want me”
It wasn’t just your country!
The US is responsible for a shit ton of suffering. It is kind of our thing.
I live with that guilt every day. I hate imperialism to no end, and I hate that I fund it with my taxes.
Remember when the US beat the Nazis? This is exactly like that, but instead imagine we sent the Nazis billions of dollars and weapons to enable them.
America world police 2025 rather would rather be worrying about what’s happening across the planet than fixing their own dumpster fire.
Fix your shit and get in the back of the line, you Americans only cheapen the cause
They csn fix it but using the billions they give to israel and usr it to help americans
That would have meant voting for the black woman, and Americans won’t do that
And also became Nazis ourselves.
Propaganda still works to this day
Yep. The Nazis were people just like anyone else who gained the consent of the population. We learned nothing.
a lot of the nazi civilians didnt know about the genocide. They just saw a lot of people in camps.
That’s what they claimed, but if you listen to the testimonials from the allied soldiers, they could smell the crematoriums. Many were in denial. But that wasn’t my point.
Gaza genocide denials are new holocaust denials.
not even sure if it’s denial at this point, looks like the Israelis are well aware it’s happening and don’t care.
One reason, maybe not the only one, could be that they’re being told it’s all lies or in any case untrustworthy reports, or hugely exaggerated. I’ve seen many examples of this.
The Palestinians in occupied territory figured it out already. Not that hard.
Also other polls have shown almost half Jewish Israelis support full extermination Palestinians. And more than 82% support ethnically cleansing them.
Also other polls have shown almost half Jewish Israelis support full extermination Palestinians. And more than 82% support ethnically cleansing them.
Source please?
What horrible pieces of shit.
Middle East Eye is a notoriously propaganda outlet, especially on this outlet. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt, including their interpretations of polls and surveys. I personally recommend everybody here to actually look at the original source and the same information directly from there. The survey cited in this article is pretty extensive, and I think it’s worth taking a look at:
Complaining about propaganda then post yourself s propagands source. You so weird
idi.org.il is an israeli site. No thanks pal.
So exactly what the article states. Jewish Israelis do not believe mass starvation of Palestinians matters.
That’s not the point of my comment. I’m saying it’s best practice in general to consume and spread information directly from the original source. That way you’re more likely to get the info as is instead of having it be filtered or modified in certain way by a middleman outlet.
Sir, this is Lemmy. Get your information hygiene out of there!
…Seriously though, subtle rewording makes a huge difference:
The majority of Jewish respondents think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there. The majority of Arab respondents think that even with the restrictions imposed by the fighting, Israel could have done more to reduce this suffering. Among Jews, only on the Left is there a majority who think that Israel is not making the necessary efforts to reduce suffering.
On a personal level, the majority in the Center and on the Right (Jewish respondents) say that they are not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza. On the Left, the majority reported that they are personally troubled by these reports.
The majority of the Jewish public believes the IDF’s reporting on the extent of Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza
In other words, Jewish respondents believe Israel is making efforts to avoid suffering, not that they approve of the suffering, and the national mood is very low.
Propaganda works.
So do clickbait tabloid headlines.
And the propaganda can be right there in the survey.
Sorry bud, the original source doesn’t make Israelis look better.
Israelis think that because they believe the IDF. You literally just read the first paragraph and are acting like the responsible one doing real research.
because they believe the IDF.
Exactly.
They believe what they’re told. But the headline makes it seem like they’re cheering on starvation in front of their eyes.
They’ve been on social media cheering it on since 2023. Civilians/reservists have been forming human chains to block humanitarian aid that WAS allowed to go in. This isn’t a shocking new development, it is what has been explicitly stated, expressed, and demonstrated for multiple years now.
They are.
Israel is full of religious fanatics who would happily kill everyone on this planet. Have you heard of Operation Samson?
And Palestine and Iran isn’t?
Don’t confuse a fascist regime for the population it is presiding over.
It’s the Samson option, they’ve never done it. And MAD has been policy for any number of nations.
Is Israel deep into an ethnic conflict spiral, and fairly devoid of empathy for the other side? Yes. Is it all religious fanatics? No, that’s a minority. Secular Zionism is a thing too.
Netanyahu was democratically elected.
Yes. Is it all religious fanatics? No, that’s a minority. Secular Zionism is a thing too.
Kind of? Zionism started as a secular movement, and although Israel still has a secular majority, we’ve seen a kind of inversion where the religious Zionists have become the most extreme and committed. Don’t get me wrong: Zionism is still dependent on the consent and support of the secular majority, and wouldn’t be able to achieve anything without it, but now it’s largely being pulled further right by the religious branch,
The Samson option is far worse than mutually assured destruction. Instead of retaliatory strikes against the sole country which launches nukes first, Isreal plans to nuke major cities all around the globe is they are ever nuked. They have already used this threat to coerce other countries into supporting them.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador informed President Nixon that “very serious conclusions” may occur if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.
I’m this is also in there:
against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.
I’ve never heard anyone else suggest it would be aimless.
against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.
thats BS. Their patterns of action demonstrate pretty clearly that they dont follow any rules. They just state their intentions and if anyone of any country or military are killed going about their goals, they just shrug. Theyve killed plenty or people from across the world, and emptied out christian enclaves, and they couldnt care less about the human rights of anyone. Its not just palestinians they will kill, its anyone.
They are drunk with US support and they dont have to pretend to care anymore, so they arent. Just like maga republicans. They are angry they had to pretend to be civilized for so long up to now.
Sure, it would include countries which threaten them directly, but it is not limited to that. As per the quoted section, Israel’s government has already threatened to nuke the USA if we did not continue supplying them with military aid. There is a reason this policy is not just called MAD. It’s something entirely different.
I would interpret that paragraph as a threat to nuke Arab countries (13 times, maybe), which would be bad, and would also have major political and economic fallout for Nixon. Threatening the use of nukes against a non-nuclear country is questionable, but I think it’s also the US policy if invaded.
I had assumed it was just called that for the Jewishness. The story of Samson is pretty MAD-ish, except that I don’t think his captors were warned - killing a bunch of Philistines was the point, because it was the bad old days.
Come to think of it, did/do they even have a way of delivering nukes outside the region?
they have but to ask and we’ll ship them icbm parts.
Here’s another article which contains more quotes from the same book Wikipedia cites:
This doctrine is still in place today, as journalist Kit Klarenberg noted, “Dutch-born Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld boasted in September 2003” that “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets…We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under”.
https://the307.substack.com/p/the-samson-option-how-israel-not
Edit regarding your question: Yes, Isreal has multiple delivery options.
Officials confirm that the nation can now launch atomic weapons from land, sea and air.
Hmm, a bit of a suspect source. And I can’t find the primary source of this quote.
It does look like some of their boats and ships have global range, at least. If the Martin van Creveld quote is authentic, that would imply Rome is the edge of their missile range, which would make sense. I’m guessing Iran is just about as far.
let’s ask Americans about the 2 million people they have incarcerated domestically next
gang what if the volk are bad actually??
“The volk are bad” is the whole premise behind eugenics and genocide to begin with. It’s how you get to mass media referring to rival ethnicities and neighboring populations as “bug people” and stirring up existential dread of The Mob of Others.
We’ve had an uninterrupted sixty year string of refugees moving to Israel, getting handed parcels of stolen land, meeting the people it was stolen from, and then having the government/media say “THEY WANT TO KILL YOU!” over and over again while they further immiserate the captive native population.
“Obviously, the problem here is that people are inherently awful” seems to miss the deliberately engineered madness machine that is driving otherwise normal, peaceful, happy people into a frenzy of desperation and hate.
Why did they put quotation marks around Arab? It sounds like they’re doubting the people were actually Arab. Looks real gross.
Edit: should really read articles before posting. The quotes are a critique of the study as far as I can tell. The study refers to Palestinians living in Israel as “Arabs”. If the study doesn’t properly identify the individuals it’s researching I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the results.
The study refers to Palestinians living in Israel as “Arabs”. If the study doesn’t properly identify the individuals it’s researching I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the results.
My understanding is that Israel has a distinction between Israeli citizens who are ethnically Arab and Palestinians from the Palestinian territories who aren’t citizens and are de facto treated as foreigners.
Guess we can be anti semites
What in the actual fuck? Hell no.
I feel like people like this have always been antisemitic and they’re just waiting for an excuse or justification to go mask off. Gross.
No, don’t be a bigot. Hating them for being Jews is wrong. Hating them for committing atrocities on Palestine is normali
Zionists are using Jews as human shields. Condemning the Zionist entity and their genocide is NOT antisemitism no matter how many times they claim it is.
Yeah, genocide and bigotry is a universal human issue. If the people who experienced the Holocaust in living memory doing this doesn’t get that point across, I don’t know what will.
They’re not the same people!
The only thing that connects this bunch of modern Nazis and those whose suffered in the Holocaust is having the same religion (and, up to a level, race) and personal trauma doesn’t get transmitted via “sharing religion” or “sharing race” - there is no such thing as a Jewish Hive Mind.
So no, these assholes didn’t learn anything about how it feels to be a victim of a Genocide because they were never victims of a Genocide, almost none of their parents were victims of a Genocide and in the overwhelming majority of cases not even their grandparents were victims of a Genocide: only a small fraction of Israelis are descendants of Holocaust survivors and of those very few are first generation direct descendants.
One thing is to suffer something or those close to you suffering something - with all the emotional impact it has - and a whole different thing is intellectually knowing people you feel as part of your “tribe” having suffered it: you don’t learn empathy with the victims of something from intellectually knowing some whole unrelated people of your “tribe” were victims of it.
You’ve never heard of intergenerational trauma?
And, there’s literally no shortage of Holocaust survivors in the country. Like, sure, most modern Israelis aren’t, but there’s a definite connection.
Intergenerational trauma literally requires people to be descendants of those who suffered the trauma, and is not in any way form or shape about trauma being transmitted through race or religion and it works less the further away from the generation that suffered the trauma one is, all of which I covered in my post.
As for the rest, in 2023 there were 110,100 Holocaust Survivors in Israel, whist the population in total is about 9.5 million people, making Holocaust Survivors in Israel 1.1% of the population, so that leaves 98.9% of the Israel population who never suffered direct trauma from the Holocaust.
Even if one tries to account for direct descendants living in Israel (a very hard to estimate number), it would still be pretty hard for them to exceed the number of Israelis against what’s going on in Gaza which is about 2 million.
Or coming at it from another side, most present day Israelis come from Russia or are descendants of those who came from Russia (a large fraction are Orthodox Jews, who have very large families), most of which was not impacted by the Holocaust.
Holocaust survivors and their descendants are a minority in Israel so I don’t think they can be relied upon to make the broader people of Israel empathise with the plight of Genocide victims, especially if indeed as I have heard, Holocaust Survivors in Israel are seen as weak.
So, start with that 1.1%, add on all the ones dead of old age, and then multiply by the number of kids and grandkids the average one has. That’s a low estimate, because cultural transmission of the anxiety is pretty strong here - great grandchildren and close friends should arguably be counted as well.
The Shephardis and various other diasporas wouldn’t have been as much affected, although the fear of violence coming their way was heavily used to drive emigration to Israel back in the early days. The Ashkenazi population, however, is lousy with experience.
I think what’s really going on is that going through trauma doesn’t necessarily teach empathy. It can, or it can teach nothing (like Henry Kissinger said about his own survivorship), or it can straight-up make you mean. In Israel the dominant lesson that’s been taken out of it is that everyone’s always against the Jews no matter what, which conveniently removes any responsibility to look in the mirror.
That’s exactly as surprising as the sunrise.
Sick, fascist country. They need to be occupied, reconstructed, and de-nazified.
For sure, but we need to start with the US.
You’re sounding mighty Putinish there.
Don’t mistake government-controlled or government-aligned media propaganda with the actual civilian populace.
Would you trust Netanyahu’s allies to put out fair, representative journalism about what is important to the general population?
Russia said the same exact thing about Ukraine… maybe this is not a wise option in general.
And which genocide was Ukraine committing?
Russia accused them of a genocide in Donbass.
The point is that trying to rebuild countries is usually a very bad idea, especially by force. Germany and Japan after WWII are very rare examples in history.
Yet showed no evidence. We have thousands of hours of footage for evidence against israel. Stupid comparison.
Lemmy users are against violence and imperialism, except when it aligns with their ideology, and then they become the most bloodthirsty bunch. No morals, no principles, no values. You can’t stomp out extremism with violence. The US tried to do it with Iraq and failed, Russia tried to do with Chechnya and failed, India tried to do it with Pakistan and failed, hell, Israel itself is trying to do that with Hamas and failing. Could it be that you can’t get rid of extremism with tanks and missiles? Could it be that you can’t fight abstract concepts like ideologies physically? The answer is obviously, no, you can’t as history clearly shows.
Congratulations to israel for making the very rare examples list then.
What the brainless users here are suggesting is going to turn Israel into Afghanistan or Iraq, not into Japan or Germany. It’s been proven that country building just leads countries to become more extreme, and that shouldn’t be the goal.
Why would any of us care about any positive future for the israeli state? read the room, bud.
Honestly, even just being allowed to sink or swim on their own would have prevented this. They’ve grown brutal and callous because the US has shielded them from any consequences of that.
The U.S. won’t be of much help to them when climate change comes tapping at their back door.
20 years of being attacked by Hamas did that. Before Israel became anyone’s ally, they won multiple wars against multiple Islamic nations at the same time. Every single one of those wars would have ended in a second Holocaust if the Muslims had won.
I kind of doubt that. It wouldn’t have been great, though, and I doubt they’d be above pushing everyone back into the diaspora.
It also was guys like Nasser being dumb, not Israel being blessed by god or whatever your pet theory is.
Edit: If what you’re saying is that Israel could defend itself, you’re right. It’d just have to respect the other nations around and in it, the way they actually did sometimes in the earlier days.
20 years of being attacked by Hamas did that.
Uh-huh. And Israel was being super nice and reasonable to Palestine this whole time, right?
“History begins the last time the other feuding party did something”
Every nation that invaded Israel did so with the express intent to wipe out the Jews. There’s no other reason for them to invade land that wasn’t theirs to begin with, EXCEPT to exterminate the Jews who had moved in.
And look at the death numbers. Maybe just maybe uf Israel wasn’t killing Palestinians they wouldn’t grow up hating Israel. I know its hard but it’s in their book I think an eye for an eye.
The death numbers tell a tale of a people who attacked a foe that they had absolutely no chance of beating.
Hamas thought that they could kill Jews, take hostages, then hide behind civilians and cry to the world to stop Israel from retaliating. Israel usually does, but this time, Israel has decided that playing nice with Hamas only gets people killed.
They celebrated as Hamas paraded around corpses and hostages. That celebratory cheer became wails of despair when Israel decided that enough was enough.
Much like a violent teen punk who loves to punch people he thinks won’t fight back on camera, then acts tough, their tune changed real fast when the guy Hamas sucker punched decided to punch back and kept punching.
If Palestinians weren’t constantly attacking Israel, there wouldn’t be an issue. Plenty of Palestinians lived and live in Israel peacefully. You can’t say the opposite.
I imagine a lot of the world hates israel now. Not just Palestinians. Israelis thrive on that, so they can have a nice strong victim complex for the next thousand years.
“Why oh why does everyone hate us!! Its because they are racist antisemites! bohooohoo”
Hatred of Jews goes back centuries. It’s almost a worldwide pastime at this point. The difference is a lot of the antisemites have had to stop being openly hateful towards Jews because of shifting social norms, so they latch onto Israel as a way to vent their hatred in a politically correct manner.
I didnt say jews, I said israelis. Careful with this. Antisemitism gets you banned on lemmy.
Although for whatever reason, anti arab sentiment or support for war crimes doesnt. Huge double standard.
If Israel was run by Muslims, no one would care if they were turning Gaza into a heap of rubble. Just look at how concerned they are about the Druze.
crickets
Exactly.
Oh, just 20 years?? Try since ethnic cleansing since 1948
Agreed, the Muslims have been trying to Genocide the Jews since Israel was founded.
Israel was founded by means of genocide
It was not, but thanks for playing. The Israelis lacked the weapons and manpower to genocide anyone and were surrounded on all sides by Islamic theocracies that would love nothing more than to genocide the largest group of Jews the world had seen since the Romans expelled them from their land.
imagine being in school and theres a boy thats mean to you, we can call him billy Palestine.
one day Billy Palestine pushes past you at recess and tou fall over and scrape your knee. Billy Palestine probably shouldnt have done that. It was mean.
But you dont push Billy back, no. The nect day at recess you chop his dick and balls off with a rusty mest cleaver and stuff them in his fucking mouth and assrape the shit out of him in fill view of the school before finally cutting off his head and leaving him right there on the playground.
Imagine defending this.
Imagine being in school and a little shitstain named Billy Hamas Palestine keeps throwing rocks at your family. Big rocks. Occasionally, those rocks hit you or a relative and your cousin has already suffered brain damage from it.
You tell the teacher and the teacher tells you to back off and leave Billy Hamas Palestine alone and blames you for his aggression.
After several years of this shitstain throwing rocks at you and your family, you throw a rock back. You land in the principal’s office with him asking why you hate Billy Hamas Palestine.
One day he pulls out a slingshot and kills several of your siblings, your dog, and then celebrates. You snap and grab your own slingshot and pelt him in a hail of rocks because you are FUCKING SICK OF HIM ALWAYS ATTACKING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. Then the teachers and principal all come rushing out, telling you to stop because you’ll hurt him. They don’t CARE that he’s already killed your dog and siblings.
Eventually you have to say, “To hell with it. I’m taking you down so you won’t be ABLE to harm my family anymore. I’m sick of the teachers and principal enabling your behavior!”
This is where Israel is now. The only way Israel finds peace and avoids being genocided is to make sure those who have declared Israel to be their enemy isn’t capable to launching attacks. The majority of Palestinians supported Hamas and the October 7th attack. They’ve made their bed. Now they can sleep in it.
Israel has made many concessions for peace, even doing so far as giving up land they took in defensive war and every time they did, Hamas, Hebollah,etc declare it a victory and ramp up their attacks.
If Israel wants to take Gaza over entirely, good on em. At least then they can keep Hamas from coming back.
The second holocaust is happening right now and it’s all thanks to the terrorists who founded israel, violently removing Palestinians from their homes, and setting the blueprint for the entire existence of the cancer known as israel. Palestine is only the beginning in the israelis’ campaign of lebensraum, they have a whole plan of “greater israel” that they’re looking forward to implementing.
