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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
There’s no way he would win an election.
Why not? He has a key advantage over Hillary and Kamala: he has a penis.
I’m sure it was the lack of a penis that cost Hillary and Kamala the elections, and not awful campaigns that they ran into the ground.
Sexism is indeed a problem, even in a presidential race, but lets be honest about why they really lost: They were terrible candidates, who ran terrible campaigns, based on terrible policies.
He’s also a multimillionaire married to a billionaire, which helps. Him, not the voters, but it helps.
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Less gross is still gross.
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I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
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I am going to vote against fascism. If the Democratic party insists on choosing a candidate who agrees with Republican efforts to genocide me, then I am going to vote against their fascist too. And don’t come looking for me to whine about it after; by the time the Niemoller poem gets to you I’ll be long gone already.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
Them: “The Democrats keep lying to us and screwing us over, WTF?!?”
Me: “Well, you keep announcing that you will vote for them, even though they keep doing that, right?”
Them: “Yes, but I can’t figure out why keep lying to us and screwing us over”
Me: “…”
Right?? This is what voting Kamala got them and she lost, imagine the candidate after newsom if he won… Probably Liz Cheney
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What are you talking about? The Democratic leadership hasn’t been giving the voters the policies that they want for my entire lifetime. They Democratic leadership gives their doners the policies that they want, but they’ve been pretty open about not caring about their voters.
Maybe if the Democrats stopped putting up awful candidates, who run awful campaigns based on awful policies, then people would come out and vote for them.
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Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
Because primaries exist? You know, the thing you’ve been demanding for years now?
Surely there will be several leftist candidates to choose from… Er…
Which is what I’m saying?? They don’t even field left-ish candidates anymore because they know that anyone left of the overton window, enfranchised and able to vote will vote for them no matter what so why appeal to them? The people on the hedge are to the right, therefore thats who they try to appeal to. Which is why you get this guy going on talkshow flashing his transphobia credentials in a desperate attempt to cozy up to the fasc crowd.
But then look at the people that came out for zohran. The zohran campaign targeted areas that dont even bother showing up to vote and it paid off big time.
Do you think candidates just materialize? Do something.
Hence me mentioning zohran. The DSA put up a tremendous effort. But looking at the comrent section people are already assuming that any fight will be lost and pledging to vote newsom if it comes to that
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
The US is a country where dozens of millions of people enthusiastically voted for exactly what we’re getting. The concentration camps, the turbo genocide, the loss of rights, the bigotry – these are requested features, not unintended consequences because that smooth talking senile old man pulled the wool over everybody’s eyes.
And don’t forget that the question of whether there will even be an election for somebody to replace Trump was already a thing before the election.
So yeah, Newsom totally represents what we DON’T want the opposition party to be. He’s conservative clean-cut corporate america, just with a little attitude now to attract attention.
But holy shit please see the full context the american voters have to deal with. Not only do we have a deeply broken and biased voting system that is impossible to change, meaning we will only ever get 2 viable choices, but the political direction of the country is already going at breakneck speed in the wrong direction.
It might be that the accelerationists are right, and that things won’t improve until there’s a revolution and a better new form of government. And I am quite happy with the thought of starting fresh. But if we get to the point of party primaries are occurring, and they let me vote, I’ll choose the progressive that wants to help people. If we get to the general election, I will choose the viable candidate that’s going to do the most good and the least evil.
The time to get a progressive candidate in the white house is now (assuming there’s an election, etc). In November 2028 the only thing left to do is signal your preference between the two remaining candidates or refuse to do so.
I live in a swing state so I personally can’t stomach any general election action except the harm reduction one. Yeah it would be great to replace the whole system, but if I am standing in a voting booth on a November morning looking at a fascist R next to a corpo D next to a few other candidates who will get zero electoral votes, it means we the people have already failed to nominate a progressive and/or replace the government.
This guy will only slide slightly back to less fascism. Remember: democrats are in on it. They let the christofacists scare you a little so you think moderate right is better than them “socialisms”.
Taking out the crazies is paramount, but don’t forget the goal. Taking out money from politics, electoral reform, guaranteed public services, reversing the corporate plunder, and all that stuff.
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can’t have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I’d much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
Martin niemöllers poem comes to mind…
How about this time we do the right thing… There’s no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You’re speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
No I’m not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don’t swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you’re speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I’m fighting for me and my family. Do what’s right, not convenient.
I’m not a fan of Newsome, he’s just another Establishment/Corporatist Democrat, an extension of Bush/Obama/Biden, but the popular response to his strong speech and MAGA trolling proves that Americans are looking for a strong leader who will stand up to the MAGA Nazis.
We will never liberate America from the Nazis with weenies like Schmuck Schumer running the show.
We’ll never liberate America with conservative schmucks wearing blue like Newsom running the show either. He’s controlled opposition at best and actively moving further to the right with his anti-trans MAGA pandering.
Agree. We need Progressives with strength and courage to primary the stodgy dead logs who are taking up space in DC.
We have to beat the useless Establishment Dems before we can beat the MAGA Nazis. We need to be what the Republican Tea Party was in 2010.
so that people don’t forget what as establishrent democrat is, newsom is pro-genocide, a transphobe and pointlessly cruel to the homeless. But as long as he is trolling the other fascists its fine i guess
Yeah, he’s just another Republican Lite.
Let’s not forget that Don Jrs savage ex-beast, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is Newsome’s ex-wife. I don’t know what she was like back then, but at some point in time he could agree with her enough to fall in love and marry her. Perhaps she’s moved more right since then, and he’s moved more left, but the fact that they could ever find common ground is disturbing, and revealing.
If he’s left of center, it’s almost negligible. He may not be MAGA, but he is much closer to a traditional Republicans than a Democrat, and not even close to being Progressive.
I’d usually always vote dem, but I won’t vote for this one. Mostly for transphobic statements, but he’s actually kinda trumpy too
Good luck, I think you need actual fascism first to be healed. Should recalibrate your compass.
If you think voting dem will cure fascism, you need to walk out your bubble
who tf cares? i’d vote for a honey badger over a fascist. that doesn’t make this dude a GOOD choice.
Newsom is a fascist.
nah, he’s just a neolib.
You could have voted for the last one that was somehow not perfect, then you would not have this orange monkey shitting himself as a head of state.
Glad that there is a mild learning effect due to recent events
who are you talking to? XD
At least this guy knows how to fucking fight.
And who does he fight? LGBTQ+ people, particularly trans people. He’s not what the USA needs, and he’ll continue the erosion of human rights and the corporate control of everything.
Not really. Everything he’s doing is window dressing that he waited 8 months to start working on. He’s doing better than a lot of Dems but that says way more about how shitty they are than it does how good he is.
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Set a reminder for 9 months from now then look and see which state actually follows through on that.
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Fight anything that would help people
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But why?? Because he’s acting like trump??
No, because he’s mocking Trump. And because he’s fighting back in the dirt with redistricting.
Did you read the article?
He’s standing up to trump by just going mask off and acting like him
Slop
Yes he is doing slop
I haven’t deep-dived into the whole thing but from the tidbits of information I don’t understand how the previous reply is slop or false.
From the article:
The California governor has been punching back at Trump over the past few weeks, particularly in the war of words over redistricting. Meanwhile, his press office has turned its social media feed into a stream of all-caps posts, pop culture parodies and AI-edited meme content, aimed squarely at mocking Trump in style while countering Republican initiatives.
from the link in the article: (Newsom’s own words)
“I don’t know — I hope it’s a wake-up call,” he said. "I’m following the president’s example. If you’ve got issues with what I’m putting out, you should have concerns about what he’s putting out as president
idk, allowing yourself to be changed because of your oppositions actions and repeating their behavior as “mocking” just seems like something the daily show would do… not someone in a political position and hoping to run as a presidential campaign. Not saying it won’t be effective, may even pull in some centrists or low informed voters with the stint but still seems weird and not really the best course of action.
Low-informed voters is a truly huge demographic in the US.
Lefties: got anybody yet?
See, this is what having a national party can do for you. Getting some ink 100years out.
To be clear, I’m not supporting this particular candidate or messaging, but I am saying if you’re planning to spike the anti-fascist movement again, please have a plan, and a name at least.
We’re years out. Start now. Next September is too late to yoink the midterms. September 2028 is too late to complain about how much Democrats love teh geniside. Start Now. Have a plan and a name.
any anti-fascist movement spearheaded by out and proud transphobe and anti-homeless firebrand newsom is already spiked…
Nah he canceled that out by making fun of Trump /s
Sadly dnc and blue maga only care about that not his history of being barely left of an average republican
If only were barely left
If the DNC aants to win theg should put someone up who will do that. Mamdani is actively showing them what will hand them the win and Harris showed them what will keep them from it. They seem to be continuing with the Harris strategy.
Why AOC isn’t putting herself up for it and starting now I don’t know. She’s popular and well liked and has the right ideas, it would go pretty well. You’re right that whoever it is needs to start now, though. Of course, I did love that Harris coming up so late left the GOP completely lost as to what to do since they never really had a platform of good ideas.
I think the Harris campaign started by being greatly benefitted from not being chained down by Dem consulting groups.
Unfortunately there was enough time for the consultants (and, reportedly, Biden’s “people”) to force enough errors that lost a lot of that Big Mo.