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Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
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Who knew the Meth Gnome aka Noem who is a piece of shit, nominated by a piece of shit; would be a piece of shit?
Senators upset that the giant douche they voted for is a giant douche.
Because you’re nominated by Donald, for that… I’m out!
Like RFK Jr no Democrat should have found her qualified from the outset. I’m glad that Kaine is very disappointed with her though. Maybe he’ll absolve himself with some finger wagging.
Why do we keep electing sellout Democrats who won’t even do their jobs? We haven’t even had a real primary in 17 years.
Because BNMW amirite?
I really enjoy that you have to put this in code now. Can’t openly state it. And still get largely downvoted for it.
It’s such a shitty, dishonest take. And people are finally waking up to it. Hindsight has always been 2020. And looking back I think plenty of people right now sorely wish we still had a Democrat in the oval office. Regardless of all the problems that we would still have. We wouldn’t have a full-on autocrat on the March in our own country as well. And might actually be able to focus completely on what’s going on over in Palestine instead of having to split our resources now on more fronts. Including local.
I’m not defending Or absolving democrats of their part in this. They’re still not learning. Just like you’re still not learning. And just as much as the Democrats are not an ally of the left or the people in general. Neither is someone like you who actively campaigned against our best interest. Helping to get the worst possible outcome elected. Simply because the other option was not perfect enough.
And might actually be able to focus completely
You had that chance for over a year, you spent my defending Bidens participation in genocide
Simply because the other option was not perfect enough.
Imagine describing “active participation in a modern Holocaust” as “not perfect enough”
“Not perfect enough” is such a stupid way to phrase that.
No yours is the dishonest take. You’re defending the rot at the core of the Democratic party, when it’s that very rot that prevents them from an easy path to victory in elections, and speeds our progress towards fascism.
MLK was right when he said that the true enemy of progress in this world were those who would ask us to suffer an unjust peace instead of accepting the righteous tension required to bring about change.
We’re here because we were told, by people like you, that we needed to accept less from Democrats because the alternative was worse. And we listened, for decades. And as a result both Democrats and their alternative both got worse, to the point that The Democratic party is at its lowest favor ability in almost a hundred years.
So miss me with your anemic, shown to be losing, approach to politics
I’m not defending the rot. I literally called you and them both out. But you’ve never been honest so why would you start now. We could do a lot more to take care of it if there was a democrat in office right now and we weren’t having to struggle to keep Ukraine from being steamrolled and our allies betrayed domestic and foreign. All the families now being ripped apart. Simply because Biden was not good enough for you simply because Harris was not good enough for you. You and your useless Purity tests.
Oh and nice selective quoting of Martin Luther King Jr. there. Don’t let yourself think that slipped by. But I’ll tell you one thing. While King was correct to call that out. You know what he didn’t do. He didn’t stop trying to seek alliances where he could to change things when possible. Martin Luther King Jr didn’t rely on Purity tests. Not like you. People are right to have a lot of regret. Things weren’t perfect. But they were better. And hopefully they will learn from all this purity testing. But letting the perfect be the enemy of the achievable is always a bad position.
I’ve never told anyone to accept less from the democrats. In fact I regularly tell people to primary them everywhere and Republicans as well. The simple fact is when it comes to national elections like the presidency. It will either be a Republican or a Democrat that wins. And while neither one is good. One is certainly much much worse. As shameful as it was. Palestine wasn’t on the ballot in the presidential election. But blatant fascism was. And while Democrats I think did the Lions share to hurt themselves. People with purity test like yours did no service either.
But you do you. Tell yourself what you need to to absolve yourself of any role in the problems we’re now facing in america. Build as many straw men as you like. People see you. And they’re not liking what they see.
Biden was not good enough for you simply because Harris was not good enough for you. You and your useless Purity tests.
Genocide apologia.
But letting the perfect be the enemy of the achievable is always a bad position.
You heard it here! Genocide is “good”.
But blatant fascism was.
Clearly not, because the Democrats policy on Palestine was blatant fascism
People see you. And they’re not liking what they see.
Your boos mean nothing, we’ve seen what makes you cheer
You aren’t just defending the rot: you are the rot. And calling me dishonest when you’ve been in a state of perpetual gaslight for litterally years?
Fucking rich dude.
Litterally all I have done is that advocate that Democrats not take use strategies shown to lose elections. Your brain interprets that as advocating against Democrats, and I’m sorry that I can’t take a time machine back to your 10th grade home home room teacher that Eldritch the apologist needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Show me once, where I advocated for people to not vote Democrat in the 2024 election.
Your persistent and nefarious approach to politics, your constant efforts to silence important accurate and relevant criticism of Democrats, advocacy that is trying to get them to do better: Your the fucking problem with the Democrats.
Shielding Biden from criticism during an election cycle threw the election for Democrats. Shielding Harris from criticism when she didn’t shift policies from Biden lost the election for Democrats.
Gaslighting people to deny the evidence of their eyes and ears will continue to lose Democrats elections.
Democrats can’t win elections using your approach. We ran the experiment. We have the data. You were the fucking problem.
Purity tests?! THEY WERE SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE! American liberals have lost their absolute minds.
And would you say that situation has gotten better, or worse under the new administration?
And so we’re republicans. The genocide in Palestine literally was not on the ballot. No matter who won it was going to continue.
The only thing that was on the ballot was whether we were going to bring the genocide home and make it worse or not. Spoiler.
Now not only are we not having the minimal to no pushback against Israel that we had before. We have Trump actively enabling Israel and pushing to go to war in Iran. The worst possible option. And the Democrats definitely did plenty to bring it on themselves. But a lot of people were manipulated into turning the genocide in Palestine into an attack issue specifically against democrats. So effectively. That a number of Palestinians voted for Trump thinking he would be better about Palestine.
A system where literal genocide “is not on the ballot” is a wholly irredeemable system. Please understand that democrats are as responsible for Trumpism as republicans. Oh how people miss Obama, yet even with two terms in office, he failed to make any fundamental changes that could have prevented Trump. Democrats pose no credible opposition to republicans, because they are fundamentally incapable (unwilling) to address the problems we are facing. Basically the same foreign policy, and halfhearted reformist approaches to domestic issues. Republicans have all the wrong answers, but people see them fighting to implement them.
I’ll bite. Because on the whole they vote our positions more than the red team would. Are they a good fit for my politics? Nope, but they’re usually the least bad option in the general.
That said we need to primary these fucks every time.
To your latter point- if people show up to vote at all they don’t usually show up to primaries.
Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which fills up first. People aren’t voting every single election and just hoping someone great shows up. Well newsflash- you gotta show up first.
To your latter point- if people show up to vote at all they don’t usually show up to primaries.
And this is the problem right here. You should be voting at least once a year and paying fucking attention to who the candidates are and their platform
You guys didn’t even get a primary last election lol they just picked Harris for you.
We did get a primary, I voted for Dean Phillips. It was a bullshit primary because they lied about and covered up Biden’s condition until it was too late to do anything about it, but we did have one.
The goal of primary is to grow the progressive wing as much as possible and eventually split to just being progressive. Even if we don’t get to that point we are a real threat to spoil, so we would get taken more seriously.
Bit late at this point tho. Now we have a bigger and more complicated fight without clear goals and leadership. Which is needed to follow up protests.
That’s false. 48 states held a democratic primary. Only Delaware and Florida didn’t. Biden won something like 87% of the vote, it was a landslide. Then he stepped down and put his VP in. Had someone else won those 48 states, Harris would have never been on the ballot. If they did hold a vote in Delaware (Biden’s home state) and Florida, the results would be the same.
Wait really? Because I didn’t hear anything about that. Mind you I’m in Canada.
From those 48 states:
Bit of extra information. New Hampshire didn’t want to hold an official presidential primary for democrats so they didn’t put Biden on the ballot. As a write in he still wiped the floor against his opponent who was an option
We have a similar problem in Canada. A lot of us wanted to vote NDP but felt we had to vote liberal to avoid the risk of vote splitting leading to a conservative win. This problem could be avoided with ranked choice voting like they have in Australia, which our last prime minister promised to give us but he gave up on it.
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As a minority party with essentially no control of anything your only job is to make the majority’s job as hard as possible and they couldn’t even do that!
I hard disagree with what you said, but you are also correct with the political situation.
A minority party in a normal world shouldn’t only be obstructionist. They should ideally all work together to make the best outcomes for the constituents. This is a functional democracy.
Now that our democracy is in absolute decay on the path to a fascist takeover (if not already there), you are absolutely right.
Maybe pedantic, but I feel like it’s important to remember how things should function.
It’d be sooo mean. I’d better resign. It’d show them how I’m angy at them.
Don’t worry, as soon as Trump crosses Schumer’s red line of disregarding the supreme court the Democrats will spring into action!
… They’ll spring into action any day now
… Any day now
Democrats: 🦗🦗🦗
They’ll spring into action by waving a finger at him and going tsk tsk
Hey, easy now. The Supreme Court already said there’s no need for that
What do you mean? Their acting right now to address the wild chaos of the Trump admin and calling their stock brokers as we speak
I hope they all get primary’d.
Primary voters are still dumb as fuck and just go with the incumbent most of the time. This country sucks because voters suck.
It’s a team effort really.
Too fucking bad.
Your regret is worth no more than any regret expressed by US voters who voted for Chump.
Like those US voters, you knew what you’d get, you were warned, you were told, and you ignored all of that and did it anyway for whatever chickenshit reasons you may have had at the time.
Fuck. Right. Off. Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever” straight up your collective ass.
Fucking tired of Dems “saying the right things” and saying it too late when they can’t undo what they did and are simply attempting to rehabilitate their reputation. You have no reputation to rehabilitate, you ultimate performative cowards.
🤦♀️ 🤡 🫏 🖕 💩
Your regret
you knew
you were warned
you were told
you ignored
Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever”
You have no reputation
you ultimate performative cowards
Do you think you’re writing to them directly? Brah…we have news for you.
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Everybody that has voted while Trump is president should be voted out. If they voted for any approval or confirmation, fuckin voted out.
They sold out our nation.
This is a purity test I 100% endorse and appreciate.
Oh fuck off Democrats.
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What the fuck did these useless cunts think would happen?
They passed the buck and hoped some other guardrail would do their job for them
I think this has a very high chance of being exactly the case, out of all the comments in this post.
Edit: actually, IIRC, Schumer has more or less stated that it’s his plan to just let Trump off the leash, not be an opposition party at all, and let Americans get what they voted for. Basically, instead of seeing that they lost to motherfucking Trump a second time and wondering if maybe they’re the problem, they’ve decided on punishing all of the US, including their own constituents who did elect them, for not choosing the democrats.
Have a source for that?
Trying to find it and not having a lot of luck because I don’t remember the exact quote, and variations of “Trump Schumer Poll Strategy” just leads to a dump truck of results about Schumer’s own (worse than Trump) embarrassingly bad poll numbers and articles about how pissed off democrats are with their own party. IIRC, it was on the Daily Show. I’ll update if I do find it.
But fucking why? It was so easy to just vote no. What did they get in return??
They thought since they do performative bullshit, politics is performative bullshit, so anyone they confirm into office also does only performative bullshit.
Americans, pay attention. Both parties are selling you out. This is evidence. Republicans, their approach, while brutal, is refreshingly honest.
Democrats merely pretend they care about you. They don’t. They, like the Republicans, only wish to continue playing the game at your expense. If they actually cared about you, Rove v. Wade would have been enshrined as a Constitutional right ages ago, rather than used as a political football.
Time to create REAL alternatives for yourselves.
Primary them by all means but not supporting an alternative against the current gov is supporting the fascist status quo.
Need to support AOC and Bernie to overall that party while the stupid FPTP system exists.
Catch 22. A vote for either party is also a vote for FPTP because neither of them want to get rid of it since they both benefit from it.
Which is why you primary the current reps. Of BOTH parties.
If they actually cared about you, Rove v. Wade would have been enshrined as a Constitutional right ages ago
Yeah, because Congress can just crank Constitutional amendments out effortlessly, no problem, right?
They had a chance with all the majority they needed under one of Obamas terms and they didnt bring it to the floor.
A constitutional amendment requires approval by ²⁄₃ of each house of congress & ratification by ³⁄₄ of states. Can you link to a resource stating when they had the supermajorities in congress to do that?
Primary the lot of them.
What fools. Don’t they have any idea?
