Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono
We’ve had less of the mocking “bOth SIdeS aRE thE SamE!” recently. I think more people are starting to see what we meant.
Nah, those idiots who argue for the lesser evil in a bid to push the troubles to a point they arent affected by them while millions suffer are still out in force.
Better than those idiots that thought voting for Trump, voting 3rd party, or not voting at all was somehow the better option and that less people would suffer than under Harris, or the lesser evil.
At least those who voted 3rd party or didn’t vote at all due to shitty candidates recognize there’s a problem and that it needs taken care of before it’s too late.
Y’all would have us march along with “the lesser evil” to the point of no return.
Voting third party in the general election is nothing more than a performative action that directly benefits the worst candidate. Those of us that held our noses and voted for Kamala did so with the recognition that there is a problem, but we were also smart enough to know that the general is not where major changes happen.
I’d have everyone vote for their ideal candidate in the primaries, and then vote for the best viable candidate I’m the general.
Acting like you did something good by voting third party is akin to puffing up your chest and acting like tough shit, when all your doing is standing funny and looking like an idiot with a big chest.
lol
You think things would be exactly the same if Harris were president? That is a special kind of delusion you’ve built for yourself.
The point is…both sides are right wing, not to the same extent, but you’re arguing about shit versus shit like there’s some huge difference. It’s pathetic.
Because there is. Harris wouldn’t be illegally deporting people with secret police to death camps, openly accepting bribes like a 747 from Qatar, trying to make the Ukraine surrender, shitting all over the epa, giving the reigns to Musk to gut the government, creating a meme coin and phone company to really show how little they respect the emoluments clause there are countless examples of “huge differences” that wouldn’t fly under Democrats. Democrats suck, are extremely problematic, and need major reform/replacement but pretending they’re as bad as Republicans is so wildly disingenuous I can’t take people that say that shit seriously
Harris wouldn’t do these things, but she would set the stage for fascists to do these things and more in 2029. Kicking the can down the road simply empowers fascists such that when (not if) they come to power they do more damage than if the bandaid had been ripped off in the first place. I mean, Biden won in 2020 and all America got was better-prepared fascists with a blueprint for how they’ll take over the United States, and as halfhearted as his attempts were at least Biden tried; Harris was only shaping up to be worse. If the only thing y’all can do is kick the can down the road, you might as well rip off the bandaid.
You’ve missed the role of the Supreme Court in this. The Justices appointed by the Ds have been against the worst of it at pretty much every opportunity and they have lifetime appointments.
That was the real cost of Trump 1.0.
The Justices appointed by the Ds have been against the worst of it at pretty much every opportunity and they have lifetime appointments.
Yes, but Trump simply responded by de facto weakening the courts and ignoring their authority, and since he has the supreme court anyway they keep allowing him to do whatever he wants. I get what you’re trying to say, but since there was zero chance America would get enough Democrats in a row for the Supreme Court to turn blue, D-appointed judges aren’t going to make a difference in the big picture. On the other hand four years of Harris would’ve legitimized MAGA’s ideas even further as the Democrats adopted more fascist and proto-fascist policies (hello border wall) while doing less and less to distinguish themselves from fascism, undermining the left and running the country to the ground. There was only ever ruin in the direction the DNC was headed, so what this argument really boils down to is whether you wanted four more years of proto-fascism before the real deal, and while we can argue about which one would’ve the better choice voting in Harris was still going to do exactly zilch to prevent fascism. You can’t keep voting in Von Hindenburgs and think you’ll avoid Hitler.
Both sides are still not the same, IMO.
Dems suck, but not remotely to the same depth as Republicans.
I’d hold my nose and vote for Harris again if the election were tomorrow, and for the same reason as last time. (Gestures around)
Dems run the spectrum from conservative through milquetoast to leftist. The milquetoasts seem to win most of the time.
R is 100% bigot fascist authoritarians or people for whom those things are not a dealbreaker.
They keep us arguing over ¾ of shit that happens so that they can get the ¼ through they really car about 100% of the time.
Yeah absolutely, I think it’s also important to remember dems aren’t a monolith and many have their own takes and opinions despite often being influenced by the same harmful forces.
For example, Jerry Nadler had a pretty strong endorsement of Mamdani despite being what I would perceive as a pretty standard democrat. I am hopeful that more democrats can be forced to support him and we can avoid this dem civil war narrative but we’ll have to see.
It’s like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.
If they’re not with Zohran, they’re against Democracy.
I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.
I’m pretty sure they’re with Zohran because he’s literally the DNC candidate.
DNC doesn’t even stand for anything anymore. People use it when it’s not even relevant.
Yes, of course. That must be why they tried ferociously to stop him from winning the primary with Islamophobic smears and are now freaking out that they failed, and why the corporate media (yes, even the “liberal” media) are all crashing out.
Ah yes, the great DNC freakout of 2025. It was legendary. Why even Bill Clinton made such vile remarks as
Congratulations @ZohranKMamdani on your victory in yesterday’s primary election and a well-run campaign. I’m wishing you much success in November and beyond as you work to bring New Yorkers together to tackle the city’s challenges and shape a stronger, fairer future,
These horrible disgusting people would stop at nothing to keep them off their ticket. Except, of course, not inviting him to run on their ticket, for some reason.
They’re all maintaining decorum (something they would die before dropping) by congratulating him on his win while denouncing his policies and stopping short of endorsing him. Ever since his victory all the “liberal” corporate media has been praising the “energy” of his campaign while criticizing his policies as dangerous and painting his pro-palestinian views as anti-semitic. Don’t even try to pretend the way the DNC has been responding to this is normal. In nearly every other democratic primary the DNC have been quick to line up behind the victor.
What sort of stuff were they saying
Here’s an article from the corporate media about the DNC’s response to Mamdani’s victory, and Here’s an article from independent leftist media about the Islamophobic attacks against him.
I won’t include an article from right-wing media, but I’m sure you can guess how they’re coping with the electoral victory of a Muslim socialist immigrant born in Uganda to Indian parents (not well).
The post we’re commenting under has also included some articles.
I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie’s stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.
Islam is a cancer
Yeah, you’re just an Islamaphobe. I know this because you’re specifically focusing on Islam, rather than every other major religion.
Spoken like a true chauvinist. The UK murdered tens of millions more in India alone under the guise of the values of enlightenment than Islam has in the past century and a half.
Islam makes women 2nd class citizens it’s a guise for enslaving a whole gender. Fuck Islam. Defending it means you don’t value 50% of humans.
Western chauvinism makes non-whites 2nd class citizens. It’s a guise for enslaving the whole global south. Fuck western chauvinism. Defending it means you don’t value 80% of humans.
Yeah you’re right, unlike evangelical Christianity, which treats women as valuable and treasured members of society… Nah just kidding they are just ambulatory wombs that occasionally make noises as far as the evangelicals are concerned.
I am disgusted by religion, all religions, but let’s not blind ourselves to the reality that when religion is an excuse for shitty behaviour it’s not restricted to a single religion, and its not like getting rid of the religion would remove the shitty behaviour it would just mean coming up with a new justification.
I think the same of all religions, Islam is as bad as it gets though.
What inspired your discrimination?
The open misogyny and discrimination against women
Fundamentalists of any religion do this.
I’m wondering who the fuck keeps reelecting these establishment weirdos every election cycle who’ve been in office 30+ years? Are they in a nursing home drooling all over themselves? Ten years ago people were saying the pendulum would finally swing left when the boomers died off. Then COVID happened and a lot of them did. Then in 2024 Trump won the popular vote unlike in 2016. At this rate I’ll die of old age and the boomers will still be kicking at 125 years old, voting ®etard or dem establishment (D)ickhead while their backyard is catching on fire due to climate change and they’ll just blame it on chemtrails or something. It’s like these fat entitled fucks are immortal.
Donald Trump is useful to the real power.
getting pretty close to time to just start referring to the DNC as fascist adjacent. playing lame duck to this particular psychopath is way too old and fucking irresponsible a decade later.
especially when they pull this crap at the same time
I hope you never thought these people were there for you. At least after the age of about 22, 23?
you’re right, it was exactly 23 for me. how did you know? did we get the same radicalization update from the Clinton family trying to make the Whitehouse a family home like the Bush’s did?
Nationalism ✔️ imperialism ✔️ mixed economy for the benefit of the bourgeoisie ✔️ labor suppression ✔️ caters to middle class&petty bourgeois ✔️
Uh, what stops have they pulled out to fight Mamdani?
Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Just answering your question, not here to debate you.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
The only statement in this link about what the wider Dem establishment did is:
Cuomo called on his extensive political network to supply an impressive list of endorsements, including from former president Bill Clinton, former mayor Michael Bloomberg, and South Carolina Representative Jim Clyburn (a famous kingmaker who was instrumental in Joe Biden’s securing the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination). Labor unions, which tend to want to play it safe by endorsing likely winners, rallied to Cuomo’s side, including two important unions that had once called on him to resign his governorship (Local 32BJ of the Service Employees International Union and the Hotel and Gaming Trades Council).
“Mainstream Dems endorse a mainstream ghoul” isn’t really much of a surprise or an exceptional effort.
The other link offers, in addition
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Reps. Pat Ryan, Josh Riley and Ritchie Torres — who went so far as to say he wouldn’t run for governor if Mamdani won — all dodged reporters.
Rep. Dan Goldman, asked if he had any thoughts on the result, told Axios: “Not right now.”
The top two Democratic leaders in Congress, Sen. Chuck Schumer and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, both New Yorkers, declined to endorse Mamdani even as they applauded his victory.
New York Rep. Laura Gillen, from Nassau County, called Mamdani the “absolute wrong choice for New York.”
Rep. Tom Suozzi, also from Nassau County, said he had “serious concerns.”
None of this reflects positively on mainstream Dems. But neither is it “The Dems are FIGHTING THE PROGRESSIVE WING HARDER THAN THEY FIGHT TRUMP”.
40% of the Democrats who endorsed thief and sexual predator Andrew Cuomo previously called for him to resign. The self-described party of women’s rights was more willing to support a serial sexual molester than a leftist candidate. They even defrosted sex pest and arch pervert Bill Clinton and wheeled him out to endorse her.
“Some Dems endorsed his shitty opponent!” was not exactly what I was expecting for “The Dems are being way meaner to Mamdani than Trump!”
Well, you have your own ineffable standard of evidence that no human being can live up to. That’s a character flaw of yours, and you’ll need to solve your own demons.
For those with eyes that see and ears that hear, the actions of the dems in response to this race have been telling. Dems that have been silent and acquiescent to Trump have come out of the woodwork to not only endorse Cuomo, but to actively denounce Mamdani, their fellow Democrat. Many like Gillibrand have gone full Islamophobia in attacking Mamdani. The New York times made a big show of not endorsing candidate and then issuing a negative endorsement of Mamdani.
I’m sure this is not going to be enough proof for you. Because you’re not arguing in good faith. You’re just going to keep demanding higher levels of proof and sources, all without offering any of your own. But again, that is a character flaw that you’re going to need to work with your therapist to resolve. I wish you luck on this. If you don’t have one, I suggest you find one that specializes in helping people who suffer from obsessive compulsive sea lioning.
Well, you have your own ineffable standard of evidence that no human being can live up to. That’s a character flaw of yours, and you’ll need to solve your own demons.
For those with eyes that see and ears that hear, the actions of the dems in response to this race have been telling. Dems that have been silent and acquiescent to Trump have come out of the woodwork to not only endorse Cuomo, but to actively denounce Mamdani, their fellow Democrat. Many like Gillibrand have gone full Islamophobia in attacking Mamdani. The New York times made a big show of not endorsing candidate and then issuing a negative endorsement of Mamdani.
I’m sure this is not going to be enough proof for you. Because you’re not arguing in good faith. You’re just going to keep demanding higher levels of proof and sources, all without offering any of your own. But again, that is a character flaw that you’re going to need to work with your therapist to resolve. I wish you luck on this. If you don’t have one, I suggest you find one that specializes in helping people who suffer from obsessive compulsive sea lioning.
Lord.
Oh, thank you. But frankly I don’t believe in titles of nobility.
Did the DNC say something about Mamdani?
Did hitler murder anybody?
An extreme example, sure, but if you control an apparatus, how much responsibility should you take for their actions?
I was just asking because I literally didn’t know what this was referring to.
It’s pretty much covered in these articles. There are more, but this should give you an overview.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Well leading up to the election they surely had indicated their pick was Cuomo. I’m not sure if this is about policy as much as the leadership assumes brand recognition from a previously electable candidate is more important than anything else.
In the aftermath the only concrete information was the two representatives that said they still didn’t like him. There’s reports of some rich dudes thinking about throwing money behind Cuomo or even Adams, but I didn’t see concrete outcomes on that.
It’s clear they wanted a different outcome, but I’m not so sure I’m seeing this “party melting down” people are declaring. I’ll agree when significant Democrats continue to undermine and go so far as to try to make Cuomo happen despite the results, but for now I’ll reserve judgement.
The democrats have been like this since at least Clinton.
Trump barely beat Harris.
Cuomo got crushed in this primary.
Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.
bro trump cheated the second time lmao.
I’m no fan of the guy but I haven’t heard anything about him cheating. Are you referring to the voting machine controversy? I’m probably uninformed, just trying to understand where you’re coming from
Just my opinion with no proof honestly.
Here’s why. I live in WI, a super swing state that went Democrat for Biden. For Trump’s second term A LOT of people voted, seemed like more than usual. I knew one person who voted for trump personally (she regrets it now but that’s besides the point) but I mean. My work with around 5000 employees all bash trump on group chats whenever he can be used as a joke for something. And we got hit hard with tariffs (by we I mean our customers)
Ranting
To the point. So in Wisconsin trump won as president, but every other Democrat candidate on the ballot also won. Which for maga is unheard of. No one likes tony evers, even Dems don’t like him that much. No one likes Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson is like the most Republican POS you can get, but yet Tammy still won that ballot. And I have only heard that maga “votes red the whole ballot”
And then there are also uncounted ballots here as well, which wouldn’t have changed anything, but in my opinion with Elon being president for a few months might have been some kind of deal he had with trump to kind of sway the decision.
There’s also trump early tweet about fraud in some states before the counting was even finished that he ended up winning anyways.
The electrical college will always look different ways because winner takes all voting. It’s all that matters at the end, but a 1.5% change in the votes would have flipoed most of the battleground states. It was closer than many make it out to be
…60 goddamn percent of the country either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, meaning they voted for Trump. Explain to me how she barely lost.
The fact that “closer” can be so diametrically opposed indicates a failure in the system.
If it was close we’d have gotten, I don’t know, Mitt Romney or somebody.
But the winner-take-all aspect means we get the dumbest, ugliest fascists ever. Just for a 1.5% difference.
This is what a broken system looks like.
this reads like someone who is more mad at Democrats than they are at Republicans, and also didn’t vote last year
Yes. A lost of people didn’t vote in the US elections last year. The ones who don’t live there make up the largest contingent. They’re unlikely to blame themselves.
Two things can be true.
Democrats have let me down way more than Republicans. At least Republicans will do what they say they’re gonna do.
I can’t speak for the creator of the meme, but you have not described me.
Hi. I voted for Harris last year. I am also more mad at the Democrats than the Republicans. The Republicans are doing project 2025 and everything they ran on. The Democrats can’t do shit. They suck at being opposition. They broke the filibuster record for NO REASON. Not to prevent a trump appointment. Just because they want theatre politics. They are still voting for them, so yeah I’m more mad at the controlled opposition because I thought they would be actual opposition.
NOW the DNC wants to form some unified front? NOW? Really after all of these people VOTED for him. They are clowns and need to be replaced. Making a third party might not be viable but taking over the DNC like trump did the rnc is.
“You must have not voted” is a liberal’s equivalent of a Zionist’s “you’re an anti-Semite!”
What a bad faith comment.
So, an ML Leftist? Sounds about right. If we can’t have the PERFECT candidate, it’s best to just burn everything down in a fit of rage. Forward progress be damned, it’s their way or it’s a vinegary piss fit.
“I don’t think we should bomb children”, “I think medial-debt shouldn’t be the largest cause of bankruptcy in our country”, “People should be able to oppose genocide”, “cops shouldn’t be able to assault innocent people without consequence”
“PERFECT candidate”
I think your definition of “perfect” might be a little off, as I think those are all fairly reasonable to ask for.
This bullshit take is old enough to drink. I know, I was there in the year 2000 when it was born.
Observation: Democratic leaders are openly abandoning the “vote blue no matter who” standard when a leftist manages to win a major primary.
Your response: "when a centrist wins, remember to vote blue no matter who!’
In an ideal world, I would pick a progressive 10/10 times.
However we don’t live in an ideal world. If your options are warm, stale beer or a steaming cup of shit, I’m going to pick the better option, every time. I’ll push for more ideal options the next go around, but I won’t sink the ship and damn me and everyone to having to deal with shit the next 4 years because I didn’t get what I want.
So, an ML Leftist?
That position isn’t specific to ML tendencies. I personally see more anti-electoralism rhetoric from anarchists, for obvious ideological reasons.
I bring it up here on Lemmy, because it was primarily the ML leftists (on Lemmy) that pushed the idea to skip voting as a way to protest Kamala as a choice…that it was better to permit an authoritarian to take office than allow a centrist democrat. I would 100% would have liked someone like Bernie taking office, but when I’m presented with ‘kick in the nuts’ vs being castrated as my only options, I’ll take the ‘kick in the nuts’ everytime.
What exactly do you think the DNC is doing to fight
*checks notes
A candidate for the generals put forth by the DNC?
Only one is an actual threat to how the Democrats do things.
Don’t forget Bernie.
DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.
Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.
Thank fuck it’s now blatantly obvious with Zohran.
I’m not confident they will get it this time. Or care
I mean really they don’t, I’m pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they’ll put up for 2028 and pull the same “vote for us or suffer Republicans” bs for the next election.
I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They’re afraid that if they do, they’ll lose a majority against Republicans, but that’s already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.
Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani’s voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.
They are always the JV team to the GOP.
It’s funny. A lot on the right say the same thing about their representatives. They even call them RINOs (republican in name only). Funny how when republicans take control the spending goes up anyway.
It’s almost like either party doesn’t actually do what they say they do and have an entirely different agenda. It would be interesting to see on what issues congressional dems and republicans agree on that the public disagrees with them on. That might tell us what the actual agenda is.
I like this analogy.
The Democrats are playing the game.
The Republicans are playing the rules of the game.
Oh I agree completely. Just to clarify: The DNC absolutely will not get it or care. This is what I was describing as more “apparant” now.
Agreed. And why we need a new party. Organize and take back control of our country
There is something people are missing with Bernie. Bernie does happen to be Jewish, but he is not a Zionist, unlike for example Chuck Shumer. Then Hillary is not Jewish but she is a Zionist.
The control system prefers Zionists for legislative positions but they absolutely require Zionists for administrative positions. So much so they won’t let someone escape a primary without the machine kicking into play. Even at the state level.
It would be absolutely hilarious if Musk actually set up his own party, financed it all the way to the Congress, got offended because people didn’t lick is arse deep enough, got kicked out for being annoying and accidentally created an actual pro-people alternative to all these corporate vampires.
Heh. Prior to this year I could not have believe such a thing was even possible. But this year…
