They may look like travel shampoo bottles and smell like bubblegum, but after a few hundred puffs, some disposable, electronic cigarettes and vape pods release higher amounts of toxic metals than older e-cigarettes and traditional cigarettes, according to a study from the University of California, Davis. For example, one of the disposable e-cigarettes studied released more lead during a day’s use than nearly 20 packs of traditional cigarettes.
Fucking duh
I can’t fathom how they’re legal. Disposable e cigarettes? The waste is insane, and the people using then aren’t properly disposing of them either…
This. So much effort being put into regulating zero-waste bags and attached bottle cups yet those vapes fly under the radar
They aren’t in the UK, technically, but manufacturers get around it by making them rechargeable.
I’ve read about people that don’t bother recharging them, though.
Have you seen the Brit who made a bicycle battery from disposable ecigs?
He’s the one who made me aware of it, and made me contact political parties about their stance on them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVp9T8f_W4&pp=ygUgRGlzcG9zYWJsZSBlIGNpZ2dhcmV0dGVzIGJpY3ljbGU%3D
That’s interesting, thank you. I’ll give that a watch when when my deaf arse isn’t somewhere with loads of ambient noise.
Because the Trump and Biden FDA banned everything else already. Now they want to ban whats left in order to push people back toward cigarettes which can still be purchased at every gas station, grocery or convenience store in the country.
There needs to be a $20 deposit on them that you get back when you turn in the empty vape.
Or, hot take, make vapes you can refill.
There are ones you can refill, the disposable ones should just be banned altogether.
The ones you could refill were the only game in town at the beginning, only thing I ever used. Need to get back on flower for weed but the cartridges are super convenient, at least they don’t have batteries(I know there are disposable weed vapes, not the same as the cartridges)
Just send me all the batteries!!!
Why? Have you heard of Aliexpress?
I buy small lithium ion batteries all the time. Recycling and free is much cooler though
Do you recycle condoms you find on the ground too? Vapes are probably the most disgusting thing recently invented.
It’s not like the batteries come out all covered in vape juice. And I have zero intent to pick up the habit.
To be fair, they should treat them like milk jugs back in the day and require a deposit on disposable vapes.
You have to sort of, I don’t know, come into contact with the stupid device that has been in people’s mouths first.
Are you people being intentionally dense like neutronium this Sunday morning?
Sounds kind of like you’re fighting your own demons there buddy.
Do condoms come with lithium batteries? No? Well that’s pretty fucking weird. So they recycle batteries and you complain about vapes. Try being actually useful for once.
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Picking up disgusting items that have been in intimate contact with human bodily fluids to harvest dollar store items is pretty fucking weird.
JFC, was it that hard to parse?
Holy raging badgerfuck, you’re comparing an object deliberately designed to contain sperm with lithium fucking batteries contained in vapes. Not dildos, fucking vapes. You could’ve compared batteries to used fucking drinking straws, but decided to zero in on used condoms, instead. That’s stupefyingly fucking weird.
Do you actually fucking believe their hands are drenched with body fluids after harvesting the batteries? Do you think all vapes are just completely covered with spit and semen?
Jesus fucking christ, is there any part of your fucking brain that has any connection to sense, any at all?
You. Have. To. Touch. Them. To. Open. Them. To. Get. To. The. Dollar. Store. Battery.
What is the difficulty here?
I don’t see plastic straws on the ground anymore since they’ve been banned, paper straws on the ground are not a problem.
I think I see why you’re grasping at straws, however.
Picking up disgusting items that have been in people’s mouths to harvest cheap batteries is fucking weird.
The dude is right.
Cigarettes are pure cancer, we all know that.
But replacing them with disposable chinese manufactured cancer plastics and batteries that also give you cancer and additional forms of cancer and are a thousand times heavier on the environment to produce is just peak late stage capitalism in a fucking nutshell.
One of the few benefits of Trump’s de minimus revocation is that smuggling these in through parcel shipping will significantly be reduced.
In the end though, you should be mixing your own juice and ideally wrapping your own coils if you vape. It’s easy and it’s damn cheap by comparison and you know exactly what’s in it.
yes! i highly recommend working towards psychologically quitting while you smoke, first and foremost, but then secondly if you’re gonna smoke only use the DIY tank mods with your own coils, and your own juice ideally.
AND it doesn’t involve discarding electronics and batteries with each unit.
Only problem is kanthal and cotton have gotten harder to source since everything is either dispos or smok now, have to get everything online.
That’s what I’ve done for years now. I started at the very beginning when we were using eGo batteries and Nova tanks and rewicking them with tea bags. Now I use quality kanthal that I sourced a lot of when the place I was using shut off access to the hobbiest market (they may have returned, but I don’t remember the name). There’s some sort of certification sticker on the spools of wire that specify it is Kanthal A1 which contains aluminum as the most concerning metal.
Who the fuck KNOWS what these resistance wires in the disposables are. The vape manufacturer probably doesn’t even know and really, doesn’t care. All they have to do is get close to the right resistance for each coil produced and the computer takes care of the rest. Lead makes metal bend easier so if you throw a little lead in your resistance wire it’s going to go through the machine easier.
The three “brands” they tested are all from the same outfit, who most certainly sources them all from the same sweatshop in China. This does not apply to all disposables by any stretch. There’s plenty of better reasons to dunk on disposables.
I saw this same exact comment under another thread that talked about a study, but it was clearly wrong as they were from different parent companies. In this case, the brands aren’t even named in the study. Again, I must ask for source for your claim, but again I don’t expect you to provide it.
Because it’s the same headline on every article. Also, someone else posted the study.
Like I said, the three companies named there are not the same companies, but you claim they are, and are sourcing it from the same Chinese sweatshop, even tho they don’t even seem Chinese.
https://mipod.com/collections/
So, again, can I get a source for your claim that all these are the same company sourcing their stuff from Chinese sweatshop?
Since nobody else will provide the actual clarity
EscobarVape and Elfbar are created by two separate Chinese companies, Shenzhen Innokin Technology Co. Ltd and Shenzhen iMiracle Technology respectively. Mi-Bar is created by an American company but has partnered with Elfbar to distribute Elfbar products in the US
Really wish more people would just provide the facts that speak for themselves, rather than point fingers about who is and isn’t doing their research
The brands are mentioned in the study that is linked in the OP article. Don’t even have to open the pdf as the abstract already has them: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.5c00641
Yeah keep on trying to justify your habit. Just admit they’re bad but you like them anyway.
Where was the justification in that post? Did you just wake up this morning and decide to be a dick or is this just normal you?
It’s pretty normal.
Woof…
Looking at you is like looking in a mirror though
where did you mfs come from lmao
Well, I came in your mother.
Better than leaf. I know who I am. Harm reduction.
Right Fondant.
So expecting actual scientific evidence instead of going based on the vibes of moralizers is just rationalization? Also did you even read their last sentence? Invalid.
Actual scientific study. Gets called not a scientific study. No one looks for the studies of other brands. Angry vaper calls scientists “moralizers,” demands study that favors their views.
Invalid.
You are the dullwit that is trying to apply a study about Chinese made disposable vapes to all vaping.
You’re the dullwit who thinks there’s nothing wrong with inhaling propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and whatever they fuck is in the “flavor”
Just admit it’s bad for you and then keep doing it, because it’s your fucking body— And I don’t give a shit. But it’s immoral to tell people there’s nothing wrong with it, when they’re definitely is.
Yes vaping is worse than not vaping. Its bad. I like them anyway.
Why don’t you take your judgemental attitude and fuck right off bud.
“How dare you not live life the way I think you should!!!”
Christ you people are so annoying.
That interpretation is your own opinion, and not reality. I don’t care if they do it. Just stop pretending it’s not bad. No one should be inhaling a heated/burning chemical that smells and tastes like bubble gum and produces a “smoke” like vapor when you exhale.
What I think is annoying is people who keep trying to make it not sound bad.
I literally said it’s bad. I agree, in an ideal world no one would be smoking or vaping or drinking etc the list goes on and on.
We don’t live in an ideal world.
If I could go back in time and stop my dumbass 16 year old self from smoking, I would. I’m just sick of dipshits like you acting all high and mighty because you don’t have an addiction and don’t understand how hard it is to get off nicotine.
Let people live their lives as they want and mind your own god damn business man. Not that hard.
Don’t have an addiction? Who said I didn’t smoke for 15 years? Who said I didn’t use “ecigs” for 5 years. Who said I wasn’t off and on those nicotine mints for years? Who said I don’t fuuuukkinggg love opiates? Who said I haven’t struggled with alcoholism for decades?
You know who’s high and mighty? You.
I don’t pretend my problems are “okay” because I can still hold down a job.
I wrote a big long post but it boils down I agree with you and you wrote it better.
I beat alcohol after years of trying and more than one rehab. Quitting nicotine right now seems more daunting than the drug that ruined most of my life. It’s that addictive and vaping personally feels better for me than smoking a cigarette.
Congrats! I enjoy my drinks a little more than I should, it’s hard to get past that feeling of “I’m bored, a few beers would be nice”. Seriously, good for you, I’m happy you finally beat it!
Nicotine is hard because it doesn’t have such a strong effect on your life the way alcohol does and it’s (mostly) accepted as a vice that isn’t that big of a deal. No one at work is gonna judge you for having a vape/smoke break like they would if they smelled alcohol on your breath for example. It doesn’t make you hungover, or irritable, or tired because you stayed up to late etc. It simply becomes a part of your daily routine and that’s the hardest part about giving it up. I’ve been addicted to nicotine for 15 years now, 6 on smokes and 9 on vaping. Almost half my life at this point. I’ve tried 5 times to quit and I’ve never been able to make it past a week.
“Don’t be so judgemental about my judgement. If you’re going to smoke something you might as well smoke meth”
Why are you putting that in quotes? Is it because you said it? Yes.
I’m paraphrasing you in a teasing manner.
It’s rare that anyone on here teases.
Also, it’s only disposables. I use the rebuildable rtm coils with tiny microcoils I wind myself and cotton at 12W, and I’ve had my blood tested recently per a physcial and lead was on the sheet at a negligible amount.
Some other dude might use an entirely different brand, someone might use pods, someone might use old gear, set in their ways.
And the coils for all of these setups range from pieces of mesh to metal plates to wound pieces of wire to ceramic disks to who knows what. There is no standard.
I’m glad it’s never the weed vapes. Quit nicotine and just use those instead. They have low-THC blends to ease you into the habit if you don’t normally partake. Just ask your local dispensary employee—They’re all a bunch of stoners who mainly work there for the free weed (cause the pay sucks), so they love showing newbies the way. Don’t be afraid to ask.
Go buy weed and pay tax. Weed may be made illegal again but not if you buy it…
In other news, weed vapes weren’t studied here.
I wonder if this is part of why gen Z is turning conservative.
Doesn’t surprise me for the USA, but how does this apply to the rest of the world?
Free market doing it’s thing.
DMT is once again shown to be the best substance of choice.
“Hey guys, I’ll be right back. Just headed outside to smoke some DMT.”
TIL e-cigarettes are illegal in Taiwan.
All they had to do was keep it quiet for 15 years until the new generation was addicted.
Remember when e-cigarettes looked like cigarettes, and were for a brief time allowed to be smoked indoors in public? That’s how it started, we were told they were completely healthy, and a way to “kick the habit”, because it’s “just a habit”, not one of the strongest addictions you’ll ever encounter, according to the people who make millions off of it.
IT’S A NATURAL PLANT
lol
What I don’t get, PG/VG & nicotine + flavor chemicals. How the heck does lead get in there? Afaik its not used in synthesis of any of those things
It implies that the heavy metals from the electrical components leech into the e-juice
The metal coil that needs to get red hot to vaporize the PG/VG.
If the coil is getting red hot it’s not producing vapor anymore. Vapor is just boiled oil and the boiling happens at a lower temperature than red hot by a significant amount, and the whole system is configured that the incoming vape juice cools the coil in the process of becoming vapor. This study is about as significant as noticing that if you set the filter of a cigarette on fire it can produce extra-toxic chemicals. No shit, but that’s not how they work.
More bullshit ads for plant based vaping alternatives; cigarettes.
I’ve wrapped enough coils to know they do in fact get red hot. Ask anybody who built coils how many times they’ve had to throw away a tank full because they ran it too fast and it burnt.
You trust the disposables to supply enough juice to keep the coil from every getting red hot? You trust the coil to be made of safer metals?
The coils don’t burn it’s the cotton that burns and causes dry hits and burnt flavor.
Thank you, this is the angle I needed for my brains to get it.
My take; clogged watt-limited dispossible vape doesn’t get enough airflow, burns the coil. Still not sure where the lead comes from but I get that might release metals. Thanks!
Still not sure where the lead comes from
Countries with low manufacturing standards; historically one would assume China but that’s not necessarily the case nowadays
So it doesn’t need to get red hot? And in fact getting red hot is bad for it?
Yes and no. I used to build my own coils for my cloud machine. When you first build it, before putting in cotton you want to get it red hot once or twice. This serves a couple purposes. First it both expand and softens the metal so the loops are separated and the electricity has to go all the way around the individual coils. Second, it burns off whatever manufacturing residue that’s left on the wire.
Once you have a wick and juice though, it boils drawing away heat and the coil shouldn’t be getting red hot any more.
Man, I miss that first fire of a fresh coil before you’ve wicked it, letting it get red-hot and then pressing it together to solidify the shape. Watching for shorts. On complicated windings it’s always so pretty.
Glad I don’t still consume nicotine, but there were parts of the process I loved.
Yeah, it’s meditative sometimes. I look forward to missing it.
I think you kinda made my point for me, once the cart has hit the temperature at which it releases those chemicals the cart is immediately ruined. This kind of goes to my ‘if you burn the whole cigarette including the filter the net result is even more toxic’. I mean, sure, but that’s really gross data manipulation.
It’s not from the coil, at least in the cases that this article is about, but other parts of the tank. Shitty manufacturing, anyways
Or just another shitty study like the one they did in Oregon where they fired the coils for 60 seconds at a time and literally melted the rigs down before measuring what chemicals off gassed from the smoldering pile of plastic and metal.
Yeah no Chinese ever shoved cancer in the face of consumers for money! Let’s trust capitalism on this one.
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Lead comes from the device hardware, not the juice. Heating coils, solder, and metal parts shed particles when hot.
Nice try Marlboro Man!
I swapped off vapes back to American Spirits after finding this study lol.
Marlboro reds are really tasty, but i know they’re horrible for you as far as cigarettes go.
It’s so fucked that every single actor in the Marlboro commercials died of lung cancer. All of them.
