Edit: A few comments mention the power imbalance between Lewinsky as an intern and the president. This meme shouldn’t be seen as me approving of Clinton’s behavior but point out that an adult man having “sexual relations” with a child should have some bearing against a sitting president.
If Clinton is in the Epstein files, show the world.
Clinton might have done things that were a lot worse. They should release the Epstein files so we can all check.
Keyword might. If there’s evidence of that, let’s talk about it. Until then, I always read these statements as “whatabout”.
Blowjob from a consenting adult is a very fucking weird way to phrase that. Serial sexual predator and rapist Bill Clinton who was the most powerful man on the planet at the time, the president of the United States, coerced an intern into sexual favors. If you think that’s in any way acceptable you’re a twisted fuck.
Something about referring to Lewinsky in that context as a consenting adult rubs me wrong. With the power imbalance between the two it feels like a situation where consent is impossible. It feels like the same kind of power imbalance that attracts rich men to pedophilia, and it certainly doesn’t help that Bill is almost definitely going down if the epstein stuff ever gets out
With the power imbalance between the two it feels like a situation where consent is impossible.
It took years for Lewinsky to understand this herself. So, please be kind to people that need instruction on the power dynamics of consent and provide that instruction, if you have the spoons.
Bill is almost definitely going down if the epstein stuff ever gets out
I’ve yet to find a person on social media that sees that as a problem.
I hope whatever happens it’s more restorative and rehabilitative and less retributive or punitive.
Was she free to choose not to without repercussions like any of the other interns did? If so, then cool infantilization, brah.
In the context of the meme one has to remember republicans do not care about power dynamics, and to them regardless she was consenting.
With the power imbalance between the two it feels like a situation where consent is impossible
Technically speaking, POTUS is such a powerful position, you can’t actually have consensual sex in that role, except maybe with a long term partner from before the whole ordeal.
Lewinsky herself said that in the moment she wanted it, but in retrospect, Clinton should’ve known better
She was an intern and the power imbalance was massive. I am not defending the fact the GOP is full of pedo sex offenders, but don’t act like Clinton didn’t do something grimey here.
Came in to say exactly this.
don’t take away her agency though, she was an adult
has she ever complained about it?
I genuinely don’t know
what a terrible fluff article
her trauma was the spectacle and it wasn’t SA but I’ve come to understand now it was an abuse of power?
her words interposed with a bunch of people wanting to be relevant
what exactly were you trying to argue agisnt?
i wasn’t arguing, i happened to know where her words on the subject were published and thus rendered them
the magazine is called “Vanity Fair” and yeah they’re sort of a bazaar of… vanity
probably when we consider that this is the level of consideration Lewinsky was given, even in 2018, we should reflect on what that says about the colonies
You explicitly asked if she’s ever complained about it and were given an article written by her contemplating her feelings on it; it was directly a resource to your very question.
She explicitly says:
There are even some people who feel my White House experiences don’t have a place in this movement, as what transpired between Bill Clinton and myself was not sexual assault, although we now recognize that it constituted a gross abuse of power
She, now, agrees that – whatever her desires at the time – that Bill Clinton both had an overwhelming amount of power over her as both her boss and nearly 3 decades her senior. And we got to see what that power difference could mean for her when the relationship went sour.
nah that ‘article’ was multiple pages of other people’s opinions and advertisements and like a paragraph of her feelings
useless fucking article
also you are literally quoting the part I reference in the prior reply so good job being blindly ironic lmao
and my point was it wasn’t sexual assault so not even comparable to the guy running a pedo ring
she wanted him at the time, power is sexy, she regrets the circus and note her wording her: ‘although we now recognize’
just so we can skip more of these tired ass windmills Clinton is still disgusting
I’m using an adblocker so maybe you’re seeing something else than I am which had me misunderstand your comment (which I mostly mention because I didn’t notice any ad.s so, based off of that, maybe what what you were seeing was also different from me)? The entire piece was written by her with no other people’s opinions.
It was a whole article entirely written by her, reflecting both on her feelings from the entire event and how it for within the other major events in both the culture and the nation (given her experience catipulted her into both). So your response hadn’t made sense since the entire thing is written by her and her thoughts about the ordeal.
lol if you think she wrote this herself
it reads like a ghost written memoir
I don’t know about you but as a white dude I love spouting Mexican proverbs
i have other examples but lemmy won’t upload the images and i don’t care enough to do it myself
She was an intern for the most powerful man in the world
Also she wasn’t the first for Billy C, he has a track record of sexual abuse in the workplace.
of course no woman ever liked a man with power right?
and no doubt Clinton was a shit heel but how many Trump victims have made complaints?
has Monica ever said she didn’t want what happened?
seems like when it blew up she had plenty of opportunity for a more serious claim than the act itself
of course no woman ever liked a man with power right?
Are you a Harvey Weinstein defender?
fuck off
just because I think painting Clinton with the same brush as Trump as a defense towards Trump’s behavior is bullshit doesn’t mean I support any of their behaviors
and people like you with dishonest arguments do no one any favors
do better
She must have. How else would anyone know?
republican fishing
it’s in that horrible article linked to my reply
Not defending what Clinton did but she was old enough to sign a military contract. I don’t see anyone calling for military recruiters to be pulled out of schools and dismissed from the service for the power plays and down right lies they employ in highschools and college campuses.
One, we absolutely should not allow recruiters to be in schools. Two they didn’t mention age at all. They mentioned her being an intern and the power imbalance. It’s extremely strange that you jumped right to her being eligible for military contract.
Well I was alive back then and remember that she was in her early 20’s when it happened. I was just using the military age and recruiters as an example of something that people around that age encounter than also has a power dynamic.
I guess I still don’t see your point. Yes there are multiple places we take advantage of naive people. And?
It was the first one that came to mind that also fit the age range, that’s all. Hopefully someone else can explain it better than I can.
I just went to Fox News, just to see what garbage is being inhaled whole by my countrymen.
Not a word about Johnson shutting the house down early to try to dodge the Epstein stuff.
Some clickbait shit about Biden and Ambien. (a powerful sleep med for those that don’t know)
Not a word about Epstein.
Not a word about inflation. There’s an article that extolles the BBB. Bunch of white dudes working on a pick-up in the thumbnail.
Remember when Republicans said there wasn’t enough time to confirm Obama’s SCOTUS pick and then they rammed three justices on the bench right before Biden was elected?
consenting adult
According to the rules, you cannot consent if they have authority over you. The head of state of your country always has authority over you. (Hmm, I guess this means that the head of state and their spouse cannot legitimately %$*@)
They can’t legimately shit?
On each other.
Maybe Trump just needs to get a BJ so he can calm the fuck down. I swear, the GOP just screams of sexual repressed energy just ready for some release. Only problem is they want those BJs from 16 year olds.
16 is awful high for them.
Ok but Clinton was a Democrat. The standard is different. If he’s going to act all high and mighty with his holier than thou politics, he needs to act 10x better than his Republican counterparts who don’t claim to be perfect. That’s called being fair.
/s
only because it was started by GINGRICH, who started the whole “dont work with the other side strategy” he set the stage for the likes MITCH mcconnel. and the impeachment was spearhead by him too.
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, was 100% guilty and was acquitted by Democrats because they decided to ignore the law and use some newly invented “yes, but does anyone care?” legal theory.
Have you followed the news lately? “yes, but does anyone care?” legal theory has been a thing for at least 10 years now.
Don’t know how to tell you this but… Clinton was impeached 26 years ago.
shut up it’s still the 90s
they decided to ignore the law and use some newly invented “yes, but does anyone care?” legal theory
Lying under oath in a civil trial over matters that don’t subvert official functions & duties of the president hardly qualifies as “high crimes and misdemeanors”, ie, serious offenses and in particular those that subvert our system of government.
This is beside the point that Congress was willing to impeach over practically little before yet does nothing to impeach over an incredible volume of lies and subversion of our system of government now.
The impeachment was a farce and resulted from an obvious fishing expedition that never should have happened. However, based on the massive power difference between an intern and the literal president of the US, consent is nebulous at best, and he is a despicable person for it among other things. No one should be going to bat for Bill Clinton.
Weren’t they looking into savings and loan or real estate dealings to begin with?
Ya OP clearly learned nothing from that whole MeToo movement. I know it was a few years ago but c’mon!
The current sitting executive officer of the USA is literally a scammer, rapist pedophile . I think the bar has been lowered so far that Clinton looks like a respectable adult in comparison.
I was thinking about this recently as I learned that a couple of public figures engaged in extramarital affairs, and I just wasn’t getting outraged because they were engaging with consenting adults. I should be upset about it but at this point so many prominent people have been getting in trouble for severe abuse of power, rape and pedophilia that I’m too jaded to get upset over someone I don’t know cheating on their partner.
The existence of worse doesn’t make bad any better.
Is that a quote? If not, I’m going to use ~ryathal when I use it
The bar to ‘decent’ doesn’t actually lower.
Donald Trump is just orders of magnitude further below the bar than Bill Clinton, but the bar is in the same spot.
But he’s not and we shouldn’t accept that
Unless you were there to bear witness. How do we know that Monica wasn’t the aggressor ? The power dynamics implies that he was in the wrong? I’m no conspiracy theorist, yet i have to question her bank account, especially after the Panama papers leak.
Yes, because of the power dynamic. Also, Monica wasn’t Bill’s only victim.
Serial killers and mass murderers have victims. Cite your proof, else it’s another Clinton conspiracy and you speaking from your cloaca.
Sexual assaulters also have victims.
I dont have proof of anything. But personally I am convinced that women like Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick had legitimate complaints against him, considering how easy he showed he can lie about such things (like when he denied anything with Monica and then admitted it later).
I also believe the whole impeachment of Clinton was a political hitjob by the right, but I dont excuse assault because of that.
And he is on the Epstein list. Release the full list!
Defending Bill Clinton in 2025 is a strange move.
Guy has a well known track record of sex abuse in the work place.
Plus he’s the biggest likely Epstein client outside trump.
If you watched House of Cards, you are probably already aware that the writers mentioned they took inspiration of the Underwoods from the Clintons. So, the plot line on sexual deviancies may have merit.
Watch Primary Colors! They do everything but name the actors Bill and Hillary.
It’s based on a fictional account of the Clinton’s first run for President when he was Arkansas’ governor. Excellent movie! Lots of heart, funny, tragic, pulls no punches.
Bro please point to exactly where in the picture Bill Clinton is being defended.
Glad you agree he shouldn’t be defended
It just seems like a non sequitur if you didn’t think the pic was defending him
that’s a remarkable lack of an answer
I remember when the Speaker of the House, Bob Livingston, called for Clinton to resign over the Lewinski scandal. Then announced that he too had an extramarital affair, held himself to the same standards, and issued his own resignation. It was about to come out anyway. The investigative journalists at Hustler magazine thought it would be interesting for the public to know how many of the impeachment managers were unfaithful to their wives, and Livingston’s name came up.
Livingston was replaced as speaker by Dennis Hastert who, so far as I know, never slept with a woman other than his wife. He did however eventually go to prison for raping little boys who were not his wife.
The investigative journalists at Hustler??
Since print media is dead, it’s now PornHub’s responsibility to shift to sex-scandal journalism
Hustler and Playboy did in fact employ very talented journalists back then. Naked ladies aside, the quality of the articles in those magazines was quite good.
Some reference: https://thehundreds.com/blogs/content/reading-playboy-for-the-articles-13-must-read-journalism-literature-pieces-from-playboy-magazine
That was long, long ago in a reality far, far away. Now we have a pedo, rapist, sexual predator in the White House and a lit if people think he’s the second coming of Christ.
