In Volusia County, Florida during the 2000 election Al Gore received negative votes, and I’m sure we all remember how that turned out because everyone on this site is old as fuck so let’s temper our excitement this time around.
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Analysis takes a long time especially if you want it to be able to withstand scrutiny
I always had a feeling that the election was a bit too quickly decided. I’ve said before that in the coming months and years after the 2024 election we would find out something fishy was happening.
That’s honestly what got me too. Like it took a week for them to get all of the results from 2020, and sure, that could’ve been all the mail in ballots, but then you have Rogan saying elongated muskrat had called the election the night OF voting?
I don’t know man. I’ve seen a few elections now and don’t remember that happening.
Agreed it’s very fishy I don’t wanna sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but if it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck.
If you have a few hours to kill, this podcast had the guy from election truth alliance on. It is the most tolerable of the few podcasts he’s appeared on because this guy is data heavy, and quite frankly it can be boring with how much he talks about data and graphs, but the data is there. They are very data driven. Part 2 has most of the data, but essentially votes went way up for Republicans as time went on. Statistically speaking, there should be a similar distribution of votes throughout, but what we see is any time Kamala gets close, a flood of red votes come in. The theory is a vote switching algorithm. Imo Elon saying that without him the Dems get the presidency and the house is not hyperbole. I’m pretty sure they were flipping votes and/ or using data from the super PAC $100 giveaway to file fake votes. There are a bunch of submitted ballots that were down ballot dem, but president and house / Senate (the ones that mattered the most) went to Republicans. The only way to find out is to do audits. And even if (and imo when) we do find out it was stolen, I don’t think we have any recourse to remove him, but it would be nice to know that we didn’t choose this, and the states can beef up their election security and politicians can stop being so spineless thinking that he’s so popular and they are powerless.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
His rallies were empty and Harris had the momentum with a packed house everywhere she went. She mopped the floor with him in the debate. The fact that she accepted the results and didn’t push for a single recount was asinine imo. With Trump, everything is projection. There’s evidence they tried to steal '20 and we’re just overwhelmed by the sheer volume of people who voted by mail to oust him. Vote by mail is typically hand counted and harder to alter.
I will definitely watch this I love Titus.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
You overestimate this country.
Sure but Harris already win NY, so it doesn’t affect anything
It doesn’t change anything in New York… And … In before the flood of other like cases.
Yep, if the machines were tampered with in NY, a relatively liberal bastion, what the fuck does that mean for the swing states?
What did Trump say about Elon’s computer knowledge winning the election again?
He always admits the truth if you know how to look for it. (Trump that is)
I’m tired of going high when they go low.
If the new standard is for Republicans to cast doubt on the legitimacy of every election, except for the ones they win, then we should, at the very least, be scrutinizing every single aspect of the election. Refuse to concede, demand recounts, hand tally the electronic ballots, search up and down and under every rock for evidence that the other side is guilty of some foul play.
Because if they had done that in the first place, they might have uncovered shit like this before it was too late to stop the wrong candidate from getting inaugurated. If they had bothered to put up a fight instead of maintaining decorum that the Republicans never bother to show, maybe they would have discovered what many of us already suspected - that Elon Musk somehow tampered with the voting machines to swing the election in Donald Trump’s favor in key swing states. They practically admitted as much on stage, and nobody batted an eye at it.
I don’t expect to ever live to see another fair election for the rest of my life.
Why didn’t the democrats demand hand recounts when the election was initially called? It felt like they all just rolled over and accepted defeat.
Because they’re in on it too.
No fuckin idea. Didn’t make sense then, either. We were so afraid to look like the crazy MAGAs. Their tactic worked.
“Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do”
Not actually a quite from Goebbels or Marx, but their guiding principle nonetheless.
Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do
It’s ironic that Hitler’s “Night of the Long Knives” (when the Nazis arrested and eventually murdered numerous brownshirts and their leader, Ernst Roehm) acquired that name because Hitler himself used the expression in a speech that he gave immediately after the event. In the speech, he accused Roehm of having been planning a “NIght of the Long Knives” himself, directed at Hitler and the other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the phrase came to describe Hitler’s actions.
Others clearly have their pitch forks ready to go but the real reason here is because they won NY. I’d be shocked if any presidential candidate in the history of the US demanded a recount in a state they won.
Is 0 votes suspicious? Absolutely. Is the recount process the right way to uncover something happening at a scale to compromise an entire district’s election process? Probably not.
According to Balletpedia, it’s unclear who in NY even pays for a voluntary recount (NY has mandatory recounts in close elections).
However suspicious this district is, it’s not justification for a recount in another district in a completely different state.
If there is interference at a meaningful scale, it’s not going to be uncovered by volunteers working without sleep to deliver election results as quickly as humanly possible. The wheels of justice turn far top slowly.
A lawsuit is a good first step.
Probably same reason they just gave up in Gore v Bush.
They didn’t give up. The supreme Court decided Bush won Florida, without a recount.
As Trump has shown us quite clearly, it doesn’t really matter what the Supreme Court says.
Gore then conceded without continuing to fight, to help the county heal. Because actual fighting to win would be bad
Yes, but then he un-conceded. How do you think it got to the Supreme Court unless he fought?
He brought it to the Florida circuit court, and when he lost he appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, who ruled in his favor. Then Bush appealed to the US Supreme Court.
The problem was a coordinated effort to steal the election by the bitch queen Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State and Bush’s Florida campaign co-chair, a fake riot by Republican operatives to disrupt a recount, and a collaborating Supreme Court. It was all tied up nicely in a bow and there wasn’t much Gore could have done, although he should have requested a statewide recount right from the start instead of just cherry picking solidly Democratic-leaning counties like Miami-Dade.
He only conceded after that…
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/algore2000concessionspeech.html
He initially called Bush to concede and then called him back to un-concede, which really pissed off Bush. That’s what I was referring to. It wasn’t public, though.
That was the acceleration point of the downward slide we’d been on since Reagan.
Because they didn’t want to be perceived as doing the same thing as the Republicans after the 2020 election. After complaining about the Republicans not having a “peaceful transfer of power,” Dems thought it was important to demonstrate how that works, and be smug about it.
Unfortunately, this was precisely the wrong election to make that point, since this election truly was rat fucked by MAGA.
I’ve thought about that. But that seems like a terrible strategy, because it lets the Republicans do anything. The Republicans do a bad thing, or accuse you of doing a bad thing, and now you’re incapable of responding to it?
But that seems like a terrible strategy…
I mean… we are talking about the Democrats. That’s almost their motto.
Yes, it’s a terrible strategy, but it’s the easiest one to default to if you are a cowardly spineless weenie Democrat who is afraid to confront serious treason and corruption, like Chuck Schumer. Traditional Dems are satisfied with losing, as long as they can feel smug about being morally superior while doing it, even if it means watching the Reps systematically dismantle America on behalf of the Russians.
We need elected representatives at every level who aren’t afraid to go to battle to defend our country from treasonous criminals and Sociopathic Oligarchs.
basically sums up Biden’s whole presidency
because that’s what the left does unless it’s against their own. it’s infuriating to watch the party fight itself harder than it’ll fight the opposition
lol, democrafts are left??
To be clear, the DNC is fighting against its constituents. This is Washington politicians and funders vs. the people. Sad to say, Washington is winning.
Because they were following their billionaire overlord’s orders? Because they are controlled opposition?
always thought it suspicious there was soooo many reds when the final count was in.
So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get out of here!!
Wasn’t it the same guy that congratulated Elon Musk for his involvement in getting him elected? I don’t know, must be fluke.
You forgot the part where he said he didn’t need your votes because he already won…
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
Nah it’s liberal propaganda. Anyways let’s storm the capital
Ikr? Absolutely mind blowing
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.
We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.
If Trump lost:
- Trudeau might not have resigned
- if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
- The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
- Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations
A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:
- PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.
For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”
Please don’t say “the lib won” the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right
Same in Germany
Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.
No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.
It doesn’t take longer. France announces the preliminary results of an election 2 hours after the polling places close.
Oh I can think of one way to fix it… might be the only way left to us now
I remember asking a few weeks after the election if anyone at all was talking about it being rigged. It seemed at the time everyone just accepted the result. Only in the past month or so have I started seeing talk of it.
I hate to bring up that site, but reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024 has been all over it since November.
Leading up to the election all we were talking about is how trump got ahold of documents through court filings that would show exactly how the voting machines worked. Crazy how thst talking point just fell away.
At this point we know the who, the why, the what, and the how. We need to figure out the where and when.
We need the actual “it was actually done” versus “the circumstances were created such that it could have been done”
OK, next question: Let’s say we do a ‘recount’ at this hour, assuming the evidence isn’t already lost, what then?
Think he’s going to go, ohh my bad?
Think he’s going to leave willingly?
Think the court case will even be appropriately handled once it goes to the SCOTUS.
Think the SCOTUS will even hear it?
How is it 100 days later, we just now hear about this?
It’s…not 100 days later. Its about 190 days later.
fair
I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn’t be optimistic though.
Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I’m moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn’t clear.
We can’t undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive.
I fear, if it looks like Congress isn’t going his way he’s just going to seize control.
Even if this is true, I don’t think they’re going to find the number of votes to change any outcome. Didn’t Trump win by like 3 million votes? Maybe this could have flipped an electoral college vote, but would that have even mattered?
I don’t think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn’t you?
It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it.
Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC
e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn’t do shit
It’s a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident.
Even if it’s not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren’t dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots.
Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once?
Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can’t imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case.
But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it’s a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there’s no way. It’s going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don’t think there’s any other viable directions this could go.
Best case scenarios aren’t really on the table. Doesn’t mean you stop fighting.
I can see how it looks like I’m saying that I’m not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn’t a direct path to change.
Even a direct admission will not change anyone’s mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy else for them to lie and say that’s not how it is. In the end they’re just going to lie and say that it’s not real.
It’ll be satisfying, It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn’t self is not going to drive the needle we’re going to need more.
All correct
Last time he had to go the Capitol was stormed by terrorists.
Does this mean libs will stop blaming voters?
I believe most of the blame was on non-voters.
Same difference really.
When someone does something stupid, I think it’s only appropriate to blame them for stupid outcomes.
Sure, but others can do that. Its a very stupid thing to do as a political party however.
They did it leading up to the election as well. I thought Barack Obamas attempts to shame voters/non-voters was particularly distasteful. I can’t speak for others but for me, his words pushed me away from the democrat party, not towards it.
Its the end state for a two party system I think. At this point there is not much attempt to run a campaign on policy or plan, just guilt flinging and excuses while both teams say don’t vote for the other guys as they are evil.
I guess both sides could be right, they could both be evil.
Joking aside though I think you are right.
They won’t. They can’t even blame the person who’s job it is to be a popular candidate with polices that interest the voting public to win.
You mean blaming leftists?
Leftists and liberals all think they’re somehow immune to conspiracy theories, but here we are. Nearly everyone commenting or voting in this thread has an opinion based on feelings, and they’re looking for evidence to justify their beliefs. “I’m not one to believe conspiracy theories, but…” That’s a load-bearing “but” there.
No really: stop for ten seconds and think about why you believe this. Be honest.
Yes, I’m aware of the video that’s been linked repeatedly where they can’t explain how a small percentage of Trump cultists only voted for Trump and no one else. Imagine that: voters who think the entire system is corrupt and Trump is their savior don’t vote for anyone else.
Here’s an actual recount in a swing state, and it found nothing.
I’m not saying it was clean. It never is. Red states purge voters they shouldn’t, they enact laws to discourage voters and make it more difficult, etc. And sometimes it actually is a conspiracy: 2000 is one example where it really was rigged for Bush through coordinated efforts.
But there’s zero persuasive evidence for 2024. If I see some, I’ll charge my mind. But not until then.
I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.
Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?
Also not surprising that investigations weren’t pushed harder after election and before new administration. Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election. Did they? No. Surprised? Not at all.
Transitions shouldn’t necessarily be smooth if an election was potentially fraudulent — peaceful, yes.
Don’t EVER mention that piece of shit quisling coward Merrick Garland without also cursing him ever again.
Wild that that dude was almost a SCOTUS justice.
Still would have been better than Brett Fucking Beerboy. Not much better, but better.
Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election.
For that matter, Obama should have conducted an investigation into the 2016 election when he still had the power to do so.
It is weird but how do you explain that it was a global phenomenon?
Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn’t consider it surprising. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was rigged though.
If Trump had been blowing people out like Reagan did Mondale, ok, but the races were close.
Seems pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate the orange fuck as much as the next guy but this won’t change shit and is a waste of time that could be spent doing something better.
You do understand that if these machines were compromised, a lot more could be a well. This is the best lawsuit because there are sworn affidavits saying people voted a certain way and the results were different. Literally 0 votes.
The point is that if there was malfeasance, it was likely applied by an algorithm in a way that was meant to be non-obvious. But, if you’re applying any kind of broad vote-rigging algorithm to vote tallying equipment across the country…well you’re going to screw up in some cases.
The idea would be to first find absolute definitive proof of election fraud in one precinct. Once that’s been done, you can use those result it justify broader searches. For example, if it’s found that this one area has fraud, then the NY legislature might direct funds to do a hand recount of the whole state. And other states can do the same.
Even if it wouldn’t revert the presidential election, if fraud is found in house votes, enough blue states might be able to reverse the elections of Republican House members elected by fraud, enough to flip the balance of power in the House. Plus definitive proof of fraud would immediately make Trump lose all political legitimacy, regardless of whether there is any actual legal mechanism to remove a president from power after being proven to be fraudulently elected…well any mechanism beyond the broken impeachment mechanism.
I see your point. I withdraw my original point.
So I am very much a numbers and data guy. If there are anomalies, I am very happy to acknowledge them. I am also disgusted by Trump and how he is destroying the country, and voted for Kamala in 2024.
With those caveats out of the way, this whole article and lawsuit is cherry picked bullshit. The precincts in question (yes precincts, not counties as the article states), were extremely red in 2020 as well. Some precincts had 0 votes for Biden. Yet these were not questioned back then. Why? Because Biden won the larger election, so who cares? Why are these alleged anomalies not relevant in 2020, but suddenly relevant now? Bare in mind, these were precincts that went strongly for Clinton in 2016, and did a full reversal in 2020.
What was the difference between the two election cycles exactly? The village is 100% Hasidic. Clinton was viewed as pro Israel, and Biden as anti-israel. That is the explanation. This lawsuit will be dismissed, I am certain of it. As much as I would love to see Trump arrested and thrown in jail for something like this, the evidence is not there to support it.
You can check these numbers out yourself by checking the New York times detailed election map for each election year and searching for Ramapo, NY.
EDIT: Actually, upon further research, the shift from Clinton to Trump is much more interesting than I thought. Apparently she met with community leaders in her Senate race, during the same time her husband was president. Some community members at that time were involved in a criminal scandal involving a fraudulent Hasidic school at that time. She was overwhelmingly voted for by this town. Shortly after, her husband commuted these individuals sentences. So clearly the community remembered this. The town is called new square, you can read about the alleged quid pro quo scandal on Wikipedia.
Yeah, I think this article is way too far into the weeds. A lot of the comments in this thread are starting to sound a little too much like the right wing conspiracies we saw coming out of the 2020 election. And I get it, we’re all looking for ways to prevent this from happening again.
I don’t think there was any fraud–bar the usual voter suppression and sleazy tactics the Republicans engage in. Voter turnout went way down for the 2024 election compared to 2020. Had there been wide scale vote tampering, I doubt they would’ve let the total number of votes for Trump go down. Besides, the 2020 post-election bullshit lawsuits showed that our voting system is relatively secure and it’s quite difficult to fabricate votes. The unfortunate reality is that Trump voters really are just that dogmatic and close minded to keep voting for him
Biden is anti-Israel?
I’ve heard that Biden is a Zionist though so hoe could those both be true?
He’s absolutely a zionist. Don’t capitalize the word. That belief system doesn’t deserve respect, the same way we shouldn’t give any respect to nazis.
Why shouldn’t Zionism be capitalized?
Because fuck zionists. They don’t deserve respect. Just like nazis. They don’t deserve respect. Treat them as an afterthought. They are murderous thugs.
I’ll be the first to admit that Zionists are modern day Nazis, and they’re not welcome in my house. But my phone keyboard autocorrects them to capitalized versions, no idea why. Turned it off now I can write: I’m glad the people convicted in the Nuremberg trials got executed, because they were nazis. I consider zionists the modern day equivalent of nazis. Not sure if this is worth the hassle of not having autocorrect.
MAGA logic. The same logic that allows Christians to support Trump even though he’s personally violated all 10 commandments. It’s magic.
To hardline zionists, any mention of acknowledgement of the Palestinian people is anti-israel. He is definitely supportive of Israel overall, but Trump was more supportive overall, and won the hasidic vote by an overwhelming majority.
Biden, literally: I am a Zionist
Bare in mind
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Yea, there are just 2-3 small online news outlets covering it.
Looks like fake news.
When one side has a strangle hold on mainstream media they can make you believe something isn’t credible just by not covering it.
There’s a reason the right focused on owning most all news media.
Yes, I see an article on it now. There was a major lag … like they had to get permission, or were trying to cover it up.
This officially makes it worse.
I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.
Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc…) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.
