• Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org
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      4 days ago

      Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon calls on Security Council to stand by his country. “This is a moment to make moral decisions. Stand by Israel - or you will be partners in a dangerous silence", He said.

      That’s a threat not a warning

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        The moral decision is blindingly obvious and it’s not to threaten nuclear war to defend your rabid pit bull of an ally from retaliation, motherfucker.

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        Israel is threatening nuclear Holocaust for the entire world if you do not support their genocidal warmongering. Which will likely end in nuclear genocide. That’s what I’m seeing here. Fucking great. Awesome. Love that for us.

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          Everyone keep in mind, Israel would rather destroy the entire planet with nukes than lose their sovereignty as a state.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

          Zionists are scum and not meant to be trusted or reasoned with.

          You know how it’s okay to punch Nazis? We can add Zionists to that list as well. They are both equally shit and should be treated accordingly.

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            The CIA under the Dulles brothers also stated several times in their documents that they’d rather have the world suffer nuclear annihilation than let a non capitalist or fascist system take hold of world hegemony. So I would add anyone who supports the CIA to that list.

        • in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          This is all part of the very real Evangelical/Zionist rapture prophecy. Israel and all our western leaders are literally trying to bring about the apocalypse, they want it with religious furvor, so yes a nuclear genocide is to be expected from these people.

          • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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            Yeah but it just seems so batshit insane to me that it’s hard to fully fathom.

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              Not only that, it makes zero sense.

              If the rapture is real and God will ascend anyone true to the word, then by definition they would be sent straight to hell since they literally killed millions/billions of people.

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      Yeah this isn’t a small strike. They went after the leaders of Iran and their nuclear sites all at once.

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          To be clear, FUCK Israel-

          but if you’re going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn’t even be discussing this.

          Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.

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              “I’m for euthanasia but I think we need to introduce it in a way that doesn’t reduce access to healthcare”

              What part was negated?

            • ouRKaoS@lemmy.today
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              “The clock is broken, but it’s currently right.”

              Something can be wrong 99% of the time. Pointing out the 1% doesn’t make the other 99% good, or that 1% wrong as well.

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            4 days ago

            Iran was barely doing anything the last few years? the sudden attack seems likes its distraction from all those protests.

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            That type of flawed logic is exactly what led to atomic bombs being used to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians.

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              Well without that nuke us South Koreans would still be one of many Japanese colony so I’m very much all for it.

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                The Soviets were about to invade the Japanese empire when the US dropped the atomic bombs. They did this just to prevent Japan from falling in USSR’s sphere of influence.

                However, you might still be thankful as South Korea likely wouldn’t exist otherwise, being instead merely the agrarian South of a juche unified Korea.

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                No you would not be, USA had the resources to commit to a landing in japan and have less casualties over all

                You’re not immune to propaganda, do not believe that nukes were ever necessary

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                  What led to the rather tragic decision was the fact that the Japanese did not consider surrendering. Japanese high-ups used their elite pilots like one-off missiles rather than to surrender, and hoped that 100 million Japanese people would ‘shatter like a jewel’(一億玉砕), rather than, you know, be alive.

                  Landing option the US had, Operation Downfall, also included bombing the coastal defense with nuclear bombs and literally obliterating Japan as a whole, so I’m not sure if that would have caused fewer casualties, not to mention it would have been a painstakingly long fight, ultimately leading to more painful exploitation for the victims like Korea and Southeast Asia. Even after the first bomb was dropped, they did not consider surrendering.

                  I am not saying that the bomb was the only way the war could have ended(although that was something I implied jokingly), and I’m not ignoring the fact that countless civilians died from it. But I don’t think any other options would have had fewer casualties, especially from the viewpoint of one of their many colonies that was brutally exploited and suffered.

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                Do you not think that deciding to commit a war crime by intentionally targeting and murdering over 200,000 civilians, was perhaps a bad call?

                Or perhaps intentionally targeting journalists, doctors, first responders, schools, hospitals, entire apartment buildings, is actually acceptable because the conflict will supposedly end sooner?

                • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.caOP
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                  Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not a bad call.

                  As for your second point- in this situation is it acceptable or justified? Fuck no. Is it tactically the correct move, given what these pieces of shit are trying to accomplish? Yes.

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    Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your “patriotic” duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.

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    If the USA government says it’s not involved, that means it’s involved, right? Every lie from them is a truth these days.

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    No US involvement

    Beyond the billions upon billions in weapons and sales that we’ve sent them, and keep sending them, of course

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      I’ve heard enough, let’s send 3 trillion dollars to Israel to help them fight the oppression they’re facing 😞😞😞

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    When the US says it wasn’t invoked, it means “yes, we are involved”

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    Hey Israel, do you know the definition of “getting pounded” ??

    Because you’re about to be. Imagine if Iran takes out their Airbases.

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    Great. Israel proves once again that Iran needs a nuke to protect itself. Iran now has all the reason to quickly develop a nuke, which Israel will take as a pretext to demand the US to invade Iran for them.

    An Iranian nuke will make Saudi want one, and then Turkiye will also want one.

    Israel is doing everything it can to keep the region in perpetual war, justifying its imperialist and genocidal regime as “self defense”.

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    just in time as a distraction from all the nationwide protests going in the US, trump desperately needed the news off the protests, as its starting to snowball. so the msm complied and switch off to international news. someone made tha tpoint on reddit too.

  • scratsearcher 🔍🔮📊🎲@sopuli.xyz
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    It happened: strikes on Irans capital and nuclear facilities 🇮🇱. Here follows my analysis and the consequences for involved nearby countries. The main difference between this war and the Russia Ukraine war: Buffer states like Syria and Iraq are between the 2 countries at war, as Iran and Israel have no direct land borders. Furthermore it is insanely hard to to march Infantry masses across these flat desert buffer countries landscape without being spotted by satellites or drones. Syria and Iraq will sustain some damage, as they host pro Iran militia forces and some IS terror cells. This war will cost a lot of rocket-fuel, as the distance between Iran and Israel cities are bigger than those from Ukraine to Russia.

    So I predict this will be mostly a war of long range strike- and special forces secret service commando assets in which Israel has an advantage in my assessment. Iran might enrich Uranium further, but only as a gesture, not really a useful outcome for them ☢.

    🇸🇦 Saudi-Arabia will profit from this: Its sales of oil will grow, while Iran refinery capacity will be destroyed 🛢 . Russia might benefit indirectly from this with its oil sales to Asia (India and China) and a growing oil price. NATO countries will divert some long range strike assets and artillery munitions to Israel at first to strengthen it, as the US has already sent air defense assets purposed for Ukraine to the middle east theater. But with a defeated Iran Russia will loose power in the middle east and the Caspian-Sea. Azerbaijan and Afghanistan might profit from this as well, their borders with the isolationist mullah regime might become more brittle enabling more sanction avoiding smuggling and small export industry.

    The US will benefit from this war in 2 ways: growing oil prices make their fracking industry more competitive and defense contractors like Ratheon stocks will grow 🗽 📈. Israel as a key to the region will strengthen.

    🇹🇷 Turkey will stay neutral, they are amassing military forces and industry and neither Iran nor Israel have interest to mess things up with them and divert resources, though Turkey might use this to justify deeper operations inside Syria against PKK forces in the north-east.

    Also I expect North Korea to send “secret” observers and assets into Iran as they have done in the Ukraine war, keep looking for them.

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      Pretty good analysis, but focuses too much on oil. It will be a mix of Israeli air strikes and special operations in one direction and long range missiles, drones, and proxy forces in the other.

      Israel‘s ability to defend against Iranian drones and missiles was very good last time around. Jordan shoots down anything Iranian in their airspace they can, supporting Israel‘s defense in effect.

      Saudi Arabia, Turkey

      And most other countries in the region are very happy Israel fights Iran‘s ability to build nuclear weapons. That way they can keep their hand clean.

      If Iran gets nukes, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and others would want nukes very urgently as well.

      The Saudis especially are glad Israel degraded Iran‘s proxy forces in the region. Even the new Syrian government owes its success in part to Israel clapping Hezbollah hard.

      The only ones mad at Israel in this case are the ones who hate Israel‘s existence and everything they do out of principle.

      • scratsearcher 🔍🔮📊🎲@sopuli.xyz
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        I guess long sequences of text nowadays get you flagged as a bot. But which sentence in my analysis makes you believe I am one in particular, I thought I just wrote about the countries in the region and effects?

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      First of all Israel wants Russia in the region to hinder an increase of Turkish presence. Also Israel has a very different stance to Russia than NATO. This includes Israel having demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia as well as Israel providing military drones to Russia between the occupation of Crimea and the full scale invasion.

      Second of all, Iran isnt some small country that can be pushed around easily. This will lead to a prolonged war, which is Israels goal, to drag its “Allies” or rather its bitches into a long and bloody war against Iran, so that they can do the dirty work for Israel, while Israel can finish the genocide. This means Ukraine will have less support for the following months if not years.

      Third of all the resulting spike in Oil and Gas prices will replenish the Russian war chest.

      Fourth of all, Iran has provided production licencses to Russia, China and recently allegedly North Korea. So the weapons can continue to flow to Russia, while Ukraine will suffer.

      This is Putins dreams and Israel is once again undermining the security of its supposed allies.