• Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    13 days ago

    I heard repeatedly “you should have the freedom to choose to be vaccinated or not”. Are those people going to just as vigorously argue against banning it?

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      They are. They found zero useful resistance, so there is no point in slow walking it anymore.

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    death is the most serious outcome of COVID-19, but was excluded from consideration in the analysis, which only considered hospitalization.

    Seems like a fundamental flaw to me.

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    13 days ago

    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

    When Taco said “I am your retribution”, he was talking both about all his personal vendettas against a lot of the world, but he was also talking about the crazies and all their issues with reality, including properly addressing Covid, meaning lockdowns, social distancing and vaccines.

    The unhinged crazies want to drag everyone else down with them.

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    13 days ago

    Question: since Trump was the administration in charge of those vaccines, can we sue the president for releasing an “dangerous” vaccine, “harming” Americans?

    Like, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t hate the COVID vaccine and ignore that it was done under Trump’s administration. I’m so confused, my head hurts, these people are fucking stupid.

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      Yeah, I’m pretty sure by Make America Healthy Again they mean let all the sick, disabled, and weakened die off from lack of support.

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        I thought it meant all of us would be doing our workouts in jeans, because that makes so much sense.

        https://www.wonkette.com/p/lets-talk-about-pete-hegseths-very

        RFK Jr. works out in jeans, with a belt. Cool. Totally normal. Why wouldn’t he? There’s nothing like denim rubbing against your balls in the gym. We imagine the chafing on his inner thighs looks the way his voice sounds.

        This video prompted people to ask why old BrainWorm McHeadCase works out in jeans, and he explained it on Fox News to Jesse Watters. “Well, I just started doing that a long time ago because I would go hiking in the morning and then I’d go straight to the gym, and I found it was convenient, and now I’m used to it, so I just do it.”

        Nope. Incorrect. First of all, jeans may or may not even be the best attire for hiking — kind of depends on the weather and where you’re hiking — but there is nothing “convenient” about going to the gym after hiking and keeping your jeans on. All gyms have locker rooms. If Kennedy is shy about people seeing RFK Junior Junior in the locker room, he can pull down his pants in his car and put on some normal man shorts or other normal workout pants. There is obviously room in his car for this, as he is always lugging dead animal in the backseat.

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        Unless you are wearing a full bunny suit, there are still plenty of membranes and fun bits that viruses can get into. I still mask up when I go shopping or whatever, but I also acknowledge that I am fucked either way on a plane and so forth.

        Masking is at its most effective when the people who are actually sick wear them. It blocks a large percentage of the greatest source of germs (mouth and nose) passively.

        Also: As fun as it is to… use eugenics to tell the white supremacists off, it generally won’t be the chuds who suffer the most. It will be the immunocompromised and those on various medications that otherwise wreak havoc with their bodies.

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          Iirc, glasses help reduce infections, too.

          Back in 2020 I’d wear my p99 respirator and goggles at the grocery store, then a full strip into the washer and shower as soon as I came home.

          Now I’m more relaxed: n95 or kn94 plus standard prescription glasses, washing hands up to the elbow (makes me feel like I’m on MASH). I still strip as soon as I get home, but not because of COVID.

          I’ve gotten relaxed at work over the summer because there were minimal people in the library. I’m going to go back to full masking outside my office now that the students are back, especially since I don’t have a new flu or COVID vaccine available to me.

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            Glasses help in the sense that they protect your eyes from direct splatter. They do not help once germs are aerosolized and being recirculated constantly.

            But yeah, my basic model is more or less a kn95 (that I always should replace more often than I do) to cover my face in stores or whatever where I am not expected to be standing in a crowd for hours on end or sitting down to eat. I keep some with me on travel days but don’t bother to wear it unless I myself feel sick because I am going to inevitably need to eat or drink something or I am in a metal box where all the air is being recirculated constantly.

            But yeah… I at least know that I am most likely not susceptible to long COVID since I literally caught COVID when it was all kicking off back in 2020 and have gotten it again a few times at varying levels of vaccinated/boostered (last summer was definitely bad but nowhere near as bad as being patient 3 or 4 was). Still gonna mask up but I “know” I’ll be fine and am weirdly more worried about the flu.

            But… a lot of people are going to die.

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              a lot of people are going to die.

              Yep. It makes me feel helpless and I hate it.

              Side story:

              I had the sweetest young store clerk at the grocery checkout. We’d already chitchatted about something, so it wasn’t awkward when he shyly asked if I was sick, if that was why I masked.

              I told him “no, I’m fine, but my roommate’s immune system is weak AF. Oh, and my dad died of COVID and I’m still a bit sore there.” and he got big eyes and gave his condolences.

              I’d guess he was 14 when my dad died (Jan 2021), when a lot of people’s dads died. That’s a quarter of a lifetime ago for him. It’s been an age. /feeling old and nostalgic

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              Could I ask if you’ve you tried any other respirator masks than those KN95s? It kinda sounds as though you don’t love their fit or durability or the experience of wearing them. There’s a lot of variety to fit folks’ faces better and more comfortably, especially if you can get down with head straps instead of ear loops. This accessory exists to let you use a straw while masked, too: https://sipmask.com/

              It would be a shame to lose vacationing days or have an unexpected health scare if you’re already putting some masking effort in, y’know?

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          Well, orange turd is getting rid of migrants, but as we know, many Americans are not white. So the guy is trying to end the covid vaccine to remove old and weak people which is not a racist move.

          Pig is OK I guess.

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              No Nazi would ever collaborate with Jews no matter what.

              I feel like that’s painting with a little too broad of a brush. You can find more than a few instances of Nazis working with Jews to some extent, the Jewish councils and police that oversaw the ghettos come to mind for example.

              If it helped them further the goals, some Nazis weren’t totally opposed to working with jews, doesn’t mean they weren’t planning on sending them to the camps eventually, but if they could find a use for them, they would sometimes keep them around, maybe even throw them a bone here or there to keep them compliant.

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                The Nazis literally did work with Jews early on, otherwise, how did the Jews for Hitler even exist as a thing?

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    Just to be clear, the person making this claim is Dr. Aseem Malhotra, the crazy guy who’s gotten into the good graces of RFK Jr. “Crazy Guy who makes Crazy Claims makes another Crazy Claim that aligns with his previous Crazy Claims.” For me, I’m sticking this bit of information on the corkboard, but I’m not going to freak out about it. Yet.

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      They might also be toying with the market.

      I can’t imagine the administration, who’s primary concern is getting as much money as possible from as many sources as possible, would open themselves to lawsuits AND reduce a chance of fleecing/Intel’ing the pharmaceutical markets that produce highly profitable vaccines.

      My bets are they’re going to talk it up real big to scare everyone left of “backwoods gooner in a wooden shack” and raise a big narrative that they’re doing all the weird shit Conservatives think they want, while trying to exercise a completely brain-damaged tactic against pharma companies to try to negotiate another fascist “cut” of their profits. Then they can quietly forget about it like nearly everything else they’ve promised to their completely ignorant, unthinking base.

      All that said, I am going to have to suffer through a booster ASAP because these fucks are deranged and unpredictable. And if they DO go through with it and I lose anyone I care about to covid, I am going to the hardware store. And I am betting I will have friends.

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      There’s also the money involved. The pharmaceutical corporations pretty much have things rigged so they make huge profit off of any drug to market. Even those that aren’t really that effective. But when it comes to vaccines, that’s a pretty much a guaranteed demand.

      That’s a lot of dough degrees some wheels, if they needed to; no way any kind of ban like this would actually go through. Not that that should surprise anyone, after all, considering how frequently these morons turn out to be all talk, no substance.

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        That’s a lot of dough degrees some wheels, …

        Okay, that took me a minute to decode. To grease some wheels. Voice to text?

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        Don’t forget the insurance companies.

        They’re doing the math, and they’d probably rather pay for a shot than expensive ICU stays.

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          I wish I could forget about the insurance companies. Monetizing fear itself. Can we get off this timeline please?!

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      im due for one and its enough that im going to go forward and see about getting one while I can. was waiting to get a job offer to have it close to the next point I might be in close contact with folks for long periods of times.

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      I also remember how they lied and said that they were free speech absolutists, too. Now they are fine with Taco suing everyone for being mean to him and wanting to lock up people like Schiff.

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      You know these fuckers will keep a supply in the works for themselves.

      Class wars, disasters, make people need a savior.

      That’s the whole fucking game, and the ignorant cunts keep voting for it

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      It’s available in other countries, so rich MAGA Nazis will ALWAYS be able to get it. The rest of us, not so much.

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        Trump once said that Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller said that he wants America to decrease to 100 million people, who all look like him. That’s a 70% decrease in population. You have to wonder how he intends to accomplish that objective.

        Now he’s Trump’s most trusted advisor. He’s like Wormtongue whispering poison into Trump’s ear.

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        I don’t understand this though. The majority of people who would die from this would be his supporters. Why encourage a reduction in your own support?

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          These are people with absolutely no critical thinking skills. They believe that this will work because they demand that it will work.

          Remember that they are both Sociopathic Oligarchs who have everything handed to them on a silver platter, almost literally. They’ve never had to suffer the consequences of their poor behavior, so they’ve never learned their lesson in anything. They think they just manifest anything to happen by virtue of their magnificent ego, and their money, or course.

          It’s true because they demand it, and pay for it.

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            This isn’t wrong. They love seeing powerless people frightened at the fact that they wield power that can hurt them, and what fun is power if you don’t play with it now and then?

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    They fucking developed, distributed, and administered the vaccine under Trump 1.0

    Apparently Trump was a woke idiot before and is somehow smarter now… Make it make sense Republicans!

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        The largest transfer of wealth is going to happen in the next 10 years. Western nations need to deplete and indebted the population to the wealthy. They are using Healthcare, education, and the economy to bring about this wealth capture. They can’t allow zoomers and millennials to get there hands on all the money their parents accumulate. Otherwise, their labor force will suddenly have better options.

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    A healthy, well educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

    They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.