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A live-stream broadcast of China’s military parade has captured Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin discussing biotechnology’s potential to extend life.
An interpreter translating Mr Putin can be heard saying in Mandarin that human organ transplants could let “us live younger and younger, and perhaps even achieve immortality”.
Mr Xi responded that it may be possible for people to live to 150 years this century.
Okay, just because you think can live that long physically doesn’t mean you’ll be there mentally. You can do all these transplants to keep your body going, but I don’t think we’ve figured out how to replace the brain without killing someone since I doubt healthy living and organ transplants are gonna keep the brain healthy enough to be mentally fit to do much of anything.
Also, I personally wouldn’t want people like them to be living that long.
LOL whatever. Then, plus Trunp, plus all billionaires are human and will all die one day. No amount of organ transplants, cryogenic freezing or shipping embryos to Mars will ever change that.
Can you imagine the suffering of being an organ donor clone of one of these dictators? That’s some scifi level of hell.
I honestly believe people could live to 150 within the next century and if organ transplants are part of it it will either be due to cloning or far better control of the immune system than we have now. I don’t expect those advances to be soon enough to help either of these guys, no matter how much money they have.
I would expect nothing or much more than 150. You only live as long as the weakest links in your body. Solving one isn’t going to get ypu to 150. And if you solve enpugh to get to 150, you should live a lot longer.
I wasn’t setting an upper limit. There is good evidence we are closing in on some of the causes of the symptoms of aging, as well as gaining evidence that dealing with the symptoms may reduce the effects of aging. If we only have those basic tools in the next 100 years, I could see lifespans being pushed to 150 to 200 for the typical person. If we can also deal with the lesser regenerative capability of the brain, I could see people living for centuries. As you said in other comments, there are a lot of interconnected pieces, and just fixing one or some of them won’t be as useful as fixing all of them, which really takes transplants off the table as a general solution, but also means we may see limited increases in life span rather than getting past the tipping point of life extension research outpacing the gain it gives you, eg., extending lifespans more than one year per year.
Oh is he doing experiments on Uyghur people
Truly walking bags of cancer these people are.
Dictators would live forever.
Cyberpunk timeline.
With an unlimited amount of power and resources, I wouldn’t be surprised if some people have clones or their kids that never meant to live, just grow up in a happy farm that one day will get their organs harvested and blood taken. Like Horcruxes. No immune rejection. I don’t see why they can’t live 150 years with that.
I don’t see why they can’t live 150 years with that.
The reason is typically measured in caliber.
Apart from the fact that your brain ages too and it’s 100% irreplaceable, the main issue with turning yourself into the human Ship of Theseus is that you’re going to be on immunosuppressant drugs forever.
I guess if you were a monster you could raise clones of yourself to adulthood and then murder them for their body parts. This doesn’t solve the problem of some parts not being reasonably replaceable, but it could protect you from some organ failures.
I think if ALL, literally ALL of your other organs were functioning great, then it is unlikely your brain will deterioriate by itself randomly. Your body is constantly repairing itself, that’s why we are able to live so long.
But like, are they REALLY going to transplant things like the thymus? Can they even do that? Adrenal glands, parathyroid glands, thyroid, kidneys, livers, pancreas - idk man, I do not see these people getting all these organs replaced. That is an INSANE bodily experiment that has never truly been tested, let alone with lab grown organs (as Xi or Putin suggested), let alone in elderly and delicate subjects. We can’t even pull off natural looking facelifts in most subjects.
Adding in organs with different ages and donors also means they also may have increased loads on their remaining old aged organs too. Everything works together and donor organs can have a different circadian rhythm, let alone different genes which means different reactions to stimuli. Not to mention currently the most likely situation for organ transplant would be gene editing animal organs - again, experimental and never done on multiple organs. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/first-genetically-edited-pig-kidney-transplanted-human
Like managing multiple organ rejections in a 90yr old seeking immortality sounds like a joke of a case for any health care provider.
But please, someone convince both those men to get multiple organs transplanted ASAP
Ever read House of the Scorpion? It predicted this exact situation yeaaaaars ago, good read too
There are current studies about growing entire organs in a lab environment using 3D printed scaffolding and stem cells harvested from the patient, so the final product is 100% compatible and eliminates the need for immunosuppressants.
Still a few decades out for human testing imo but they’d be the first in line.
If we figure that out, artificial blood (which is already making good progress) and finally a way to regenerate brain cells without causing massive brain tumors we can extend life considerably, probably closer to 200 years on extreme cases.
Or, at least, making it to 110 while still having a good quality of life, basically making 100 the new 60.
Lol, lmfao
They can’t even give us a relatively nontoxic living environment and adaptive and responsive nutrition plans
Not to mention there has NEVER been a patient who has had MULTIPLE 3D printed organ transplants, let alone continuous transplants PRN (the suture sites are going to be dissolving scar tissue). And that 3D printed organs are extremely complicated especially depending on which one is being built, with their own cellular memory including circadian rhythm and local homeostasis.
Not to mention that merely transplanting an organ does not mean the patient will have adequate neurochemicals or enzymes or receptors to carry out the processes needed to support these organs, regardless of supplementation
Like certain conditions, at end of life, oppose each other especially in treatment. Eg congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and kidney failure all interfere and interact with each other. Assuming you could successfully perform a lung, heart, and kidney transplant in a geriatric patient, whose to say their veings, connective tissue, ureters, etc won’t prolapse or blow out from all the pressure and new stressers?
This shit isn’t as easy as they want to claim (maybe they want to taunt Trump with immortality), but if they want to be the guinea pigs for it, let them ig - that’s the most ethical thing they could do with this, is experiment on themselves and take the consequences.
Except that these psychos are definitely going to harvest organs from the so-called lesser races within their borders.
You want to go to the Island.
us as in literally “the two of us”. fucking hell, die already and stop leeching
We need to forcefully redistribute all excess wealth and power.
These delusional sycophants are going to be the death of our species.
In china, heart surgeon, number 1!..
These people are idiots, because that’s definitely not how aging works. But please go through all the organ transplants, it will just kill you both and do the world a big favor.
Intelligence isn’t required of these people and I doubt anyone in that room could explain telomere shortening and aging at a molecular level.
You cant do a brain transplant from a clone and be the same person even. Just megalomaniacs who care nothing for anyone but themselves.
It’s weird because Xi is a chemical engineer. Putin and Kim I understand being gullible and clueless about scientific matters but I don’t expect the same from Xi.
Xi knows Putin is dumb. He just responded in the most polite way that it is not possible.
Maybe they are lying to Trump about this, since he is freaked out about dying, to get some kind of favor or financing, or just to taunt him
Xi responded to the idea that you can achieve immortality by saying that it may be possible for someone to live to 150 years this century, which is not totally unrealistic if we make some advances in medical science
Engineers disease is a thing. I understand heat transfer, therefor I can understand everything
smart people are wrong sometimes
issac newton thought he could synthesize a philosophers stone
Never underestimate a scientists, especially an engineers ability to arrogantly misuse and misunderstand science outside of their specific area of practical experience.
This ^
Having a PhD does not automatically mean you know what you’re talking about outside your field lol.
They call it a “prison pick me up” as they comb the ranks for prime replacement parts.
