• TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    This one didn’t work. I think they need to stage the next one to be sure the shooter appears to be leftist. I predict, next year, during the mid-term campaigns, there will be a staged assassination of a Republican candidate.

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      this side of planet earth.

      Is… is she not on earth?

      That would explain her empathy. Earthlings tend to lack it.

  • TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
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    Apparently they are saying that since he was close to a trans person (presumably the roommate who helped authorities identify his Discord messages) that it doesn’t matter. Just look at the conservative sub on reddit, the one moderated by the guy who enjoys running psyops with the most narcissistic psychopaths in Eve Online. I seriously believe idiots are deliberately being led by the most narcissistic psychopaths in the nation, and the reason Eve Online is such a tell is because it attracts them in droves, specially the ones who’ve made their leisure time be about moderating its material and enjoying carrying out psyops against people. It’s what money attracts because in their world view everything is arguable - it’s just a matter of skill, with objective facts being shit to them.

    Don’t worry, reddit has made sure to hide their comment history and the subs they moderate, so hell if you will ever know or be able to verify.

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      I briefly got into Eve when the science and exploration path got added, but I bounced off largely due to the player base. Why go out and find rare blueprints just so assholes can use them to grief people. Eventually you realize the only way to win is not to play.

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    Another MAGA murder with a spoonful of “he was a leftists” of propaganda they are trying to shove down our throats.

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        Strategic peaceful resistance is the way. It seems counterintuitive but you get more participation which is really key and it lowers the bar for people to move to your side because it’s not a matter of life and death it’s just a matter of not doing what they were doing before.

        Would you like to know more?:

        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/why-nonviolent-resistance-beats-violent-force-in-effecting-social-political-change/

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          Exactly, you need to come off as the good guys and the ordinary majority. Violence turns people off unless they’re pretty invested

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            What I’m implying is that you are not necessarily just coming off as the good guys because in my mind the bad guys want to do violence and the good guys typically kind of don’t

            Of course I have to edit this immediately to say that politicians aren’t the good guys it doesn’t matter what side they’re on

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              Yeah, a desire for violence has fomented in the left and it’s hard to condemn as someone here in it because it’s in many ways “stop stepping on the snake”. We’ve watched people march with swastikas, we’re seeing dehumanization of marginalized groups, we’ve protested against police violence, and now masked government agents are taking people to detention camps. And that’s not touching on the climate issue.

              I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. I want no more violence, but that feels off the table. The left is arming because we’re fucking terrified. The queer left in particular has reason to fear. But I’m increasingly seeing the need for pacifists, nonviolent resistance, and people who can talk to people who don’t agree with us yet.

              What I desperately want is for all people to be free to live as they choose and to have enough.

  • CptOblivius@lemmy.world
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    I believe he was mormon. They are all far right, “not usually” violent, but far right. Hopefully just an outlier, but they are raised to be suspicious of anyone not mormon. That degree of extremism and paranoia could be problematic.

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        My wife was born and raised Mormon. When I first learned he was Mormon I looked at her and said blood atonement. Her whole face changed and she said, “better for one man to die, than a whole nation to parish”.

        So apparently this is a big part of Mormonism and how they rationalized their violent actions back in the day.

  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    When do Taco, Mace, Qbert, Watters, etc…start declaring that the guy who has said “having sex with women is gay” is to blame for all the political violence in this country?

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    So an entire family of MAGA PedoCons, and at least one of them gets screwed up enough to start shooting up their own side? That’s beautiful.

    I’ve been saying from the beginning that the thing that will finally save us is MAGA’s virtuosic incompetence. Just give them enough rope, and they’ll hang themselves.

    The problem is the damage they’ll do until that happens.

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      The current rumor is that he’s a groyper, AKA “MAGA is too liberal” type of guy. Nick Fuentes follower. But at this point, it’s not 100% certain.

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        And we all know that is just the bullshit that the cult of maga is using to distance themselves from this event. The old “see it wasn’t us” mentality to avoid hurting their little snowflake feelings so they can keep on being bigots without remorse.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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      My two cousins who live in Florida are white supremacists and love desantis like he’s the second coming of Jesus (they’re just OK with trump). They naturally also hate immigrants and want everybody deported. This would be utterly unremarkable for a couple of Floridians except for the fact that they’re half-Thai, the children of my white uncle and the Thai immigrant woman he brought back to the US after serving in Vietnam. My uncle was also anti-immigrant despite having married two immigrants (his second wife was from Spain and also hated immigrants lol). I just do not understand these people.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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      Charlie Kirk had beef with the antisemitic section of the far right which hate Israel.

      Not for any good reason like empathy, but for using US tax dollars and using Jews as a scapegoat.

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    If this turns out to be true, and really even if it doesn’t, I’m just tired of MAGA on MAGA gang violence in the USA. Can’t these people just settle their differences over a Bible or the blood of baby Jesus?

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      no i insist baby jesus was a burgundy, they insist he was a pinot and look it’s not doctrinally important but i have more recipes that call for burgundy so it’s personally important

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      I dont like MAGA on MAGA violence and would like it to stop but if it must continue can they at least accept that is what it is? I’m tired of the blame that everyone non-MAGA gets before the MAGA shooter inevitably gets caught.

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        No maga cannot accept that, such is anathema to their very existence. Their entire identity is to reject, foaming at the mouth, anything that runs counter to the propaganda they’ve been brainwashed into believing is true.

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        But they want to exterminate all of their perceived enemies. They can’t do that if their greatest enemy is themselves.

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      Somebody pointed out to me apparently that tracksuit he dressed up in, pepe memes and such were tied into him being a Nick Fuentes fan. Apparently Fuentes and Kirk had a fued, i don’t know anything about it though.

      Meaning this could have just been a Fuentes follower that hated Kirk

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    Tyler Robinson has previously registered as a nonpartisan voter, but according to Utah Governor Spencer Cox, he had “become more political in recent years.” Cox added that Robinson had told a family member he disliked Kirk and mentioned that Kirk was coming to Utah Valley University.

    Cox shared that Robinson’s roommate had handed in incriminating Discord messages in which Tyler stated specifics about bullet engravings and details about a rifle in a hidden location. Discord, however, released a statement saying Robinson did not plan the attack on their platform or promote violence.

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    The last fact published by the media was that Kirk had died.

    Everything since has just been hot garbage peddled by the hot garbage paddlers cabal.

    Urgh. Anything for an advertisement impression.

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    Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking dumb magats. Wasn’t brown, trans, immigrant or anything. Was white guy with a gun.

    I’m going to love watching America eat itself over this.

    You fucking pathetic losers blame everyone but your own red hat wearing backwater inbred selves.

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      While I understand and agree America has set itself up for this, try to remember MAGAts are only slightly less than half the population (an overly aggressive half, to be sure). Us “woke” people are being forced to suffer for MAGAts’ collective sins, too.

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      Woah woah woah. As the elected representative of the fucking pathetic losers (very small turnout), I will go on record saying that we know that the red hats are the issue, and Chuck Schumer is furiously drafting a letter to Trump right now. This issue should obviously be resolved within the next two weeks.

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      I’m going to love watching America eat itself over this.

      You fucking pathetic losers blame everyone but your own red hat wearing backwater inbred selves.

      Fuck you, eurotrash. You don’t think that many of us see WTF is going on here? We’re headed towards civil war and keyboard warriors like yourself just want to talk trash. Well eat some shit.

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          What else should I do? Some people online think I need to rise up and overthrow my government which, although impossible, sounds like a romantic thing to do. But I’m still here, still voting and still out in the street when a protest gets called.

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        The USA has been and still is the number one terrorist state in the world. Just ask any non-US citizen.

        Their people are kept down through propaganda and debt, while the rich steal the riches of the world.

        Life is cheap in the US unless you are rich.

        In any other country, the US government would have been put in its place by its population but because the Americans are so uneducated and divided they can only fight each other.

        Land of the free and home of the brave; should be the land of the kept down in perpetual servitude to billionaires and home of complete cowards who fight children and innocent people from four thousand miles away.

        #1 terrorist state in the world is the USA full stop.

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        America has been pissing all over the world for something along the lines of at least a century now. We’ve done at least as much damage as good (just look at our absurd levels of support for Israel as they gleefully openly commit genocide). It should not come as a shock that our comeuppance is being treated as overdue by the world at large.

        It’s just a shame those of us “woke” enough to understand this & who more than likely would have done things much differently have to suffer along with those that actually deserve it for supporting such crappy behavior.

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          I know this.

          I’m way more educated about the fuckery of the U.S.A. on the world stage in the past 75 years than the average dumbfuck.

          Still doesn’t mean I’m not going to swing back if some asshole tries to call me out.

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            Fuck you and what your government has done to the world. Your country is and always will be a shithole of capitalistic exploitation. The world would be so much better off without the USA.

            The US is a country of humans that only want to fuck each other over for the smallest scrap of anything. From billionaire to pauper, everyone is out for themselves. Like a toddler who wants all the toys and can’t share.

            Amazingly, your empire has lasted this long. But alas, the time has come when the sun will set on the US empire just like it did with the British Empire.

            The only question left is how much damage the fall will cause the world. So far with the loss of soft power the US has damaged the world economy but it’s still recoverable.

            Only time will tell.

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              I’d buy that for a dollar. Just don’t forget that we are people, and not all of us agree with what the government does.

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            Well, then don’t be surprised when your lack of appreciation for perspectives from other points of view ring too much like a MAGAt’s to be easily discernable from such. It wasn’t directed at you personally, but you choose to take it as such.

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              You fucking pathetic losers blame everyone but your own red hat wearing backwater inbred selves.

              'the fuck? That wasn’t directed at me?

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                Do you identify as a “red hat wearing backwater inbred”? If so, then my apologies - feel free to carry on.

                When you criticize another country’s aggressive actions, are you directing it at every random citizen of that country regardless of whether they support their government’s actions? If you’re as informed as you claim, then you know there are protests even in Israel against their government’s genocidal actions. Look at the big picture, and understand generalizations are unlikely to be targeted at you personally if you don’t fit the description of those they’re referencing.

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                  If I put all of the citizens in one basket? Yes, that’s what I’m doing. If I specify a subset before I go off on some unhinged rant? No.