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    This is MAGA propaganda to spur them on. Who really thinks it was anyone other than trump and his goons who made this happen. They probably already had the ‘shooter’ picked out and are planning the frame as we speak. It worked with Luigi so they will just keep doing it until its the US version of fell out a window.

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    We don’t even know who did it. This meme is stupid. Couldn’t been another MAGA idiot getting mad at something he said.

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      What’s funny is that historically, it’s usually a maga moron who does something violent. Even the guy who shot Trump voted Republican

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      Worse than stupid, it’s dangerous.

      The current fascist administration is DESPERATE to find and paint a segment of a population to not only blame this on, but also to round up and punish that segment.

      I don’t think we should be cowering in fear of the administration and their cronies, but we can’t do any good if we’re all locked up, deported to Narnia or being burnt at the stake.

      Especially bad considering that this is massively likely to be a right-wing veteran if he’s ever caught.

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    i’m more than a bit skeptical that “the left” was responsible for this. I think its highly likely that this was a false flag attack.

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      I fucking hate BlueAnon. Sure there’s a good chance it was someone even farther right than he was, but not everything is a false flag. Do you have literally any evidence of it being a false flag beyond “just think about it bro”?

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        The fact that the bullet casings supposedly had “transgender” wording inscribed on them is a little too convenient to not raise suspicion. Either A) whole thing was setup or B) evidence is being doctored. C) Could be all on the up and up and everything just falls into place perfectly, but how likely really?

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          I wouldn’t be surprised if evidence was being tampered with or mishandled, but there’s a lot of distance between mishandled/misleading evidence and a false flag attack. If there’s evidence of a false flag that’s one thing, but I’m gonna need more than “think about it, is everything really on the up and up?”

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        Yah it’s more likely than not some unhinged, violent right-winger either listening to the voices telling him who’s actually a lizard person or that Charlie Kirk is actually a clone and/or involved with some Q-anon fuckery.

        BECAUSE THAT’S WHO IT ALWAYS IS.

        When you’re someone who wants to solve the world’s problems via rifles with scopes, you’re not a balanced, well-adjusted person to begin with. I’m sure there are plenty of people with left-leaning ideas who fit this bill, but we’re just talking probabilities here.

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      I would say it’s not even to distract as much as to silence him. If you watch the event, he was talking about it 20 minutes before being shot. He was saying that other republicans needed to answer for blocking the release of said files. The fact he wasn’t letting go of the epstein case and he has one of the biggest followings of young republicans, he was a threat to whoever doesn’t want that discussed. It’s possible it could have been something else, but who knows?

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      I swear, Trump could order the military to murder every single person left on the political spectrum of Hitler tomorrow, and people would be like “Stop trying to distract from the Epstein files”.

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        I mean, we have a pedophile in the white house, and an open cover up of it. A normal person would be on trial right now, and/or already in prison. We should be making a big deal about it.

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          Sure, make a big deal about it. But everything that happens isn’t an attempt at distracting from it. That’s just distracting from the other shit.

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    Is there any confirmation that the shooter was in any way a leftist, or motivated by left wing ideals? From all I know, it was some random guy who could have been a right winger who thinks Trump is centralizing the government which goes against his Ayn Rand ideology; or it could just be a loonie.

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      None, here’s what we probably know

      It was probably done with a rifle at some point, shooter was on a roof, shooter ran away, that’s about what we know at this point.

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      No. The shooter was a CIA operative sent by Bill Clinton to distract from the Epstein files. It will turn out that the “suspect” is a young black Arab Mexican man from China sent here to start a lgbtq+ revolution.

      This is a false flag to further supress any non white Christian men.

      Also I don’t know who the shooter is. But I do know we were together all day in Florida at the time.

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        Sir this happened in Utah they use God’s own units.

        Since it was a rifle we use football fields. 22 football fields away.

        American football of course. We have no idea how many football pitches this might have been. 3? 200? There’s just no way to know.

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      As far as I can tell, they know absolutely nothing at this moment in time. So just you generic “the people I don’t like did it” rhetoric.

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      There was no attempt. Its should be so blindingly obvious by now. This guy cries bitches and moans abt shit from the 90s, if it was real he’d still be crying about this shit today akh. He slapped his ear after the “gunshot” and in the famous photo there’s NO WOUND, his ear’s completely intact, it’s js red. You’d think after a man almost got his headtop licked off, he’d have a wound 😐 What’s more damaging, EAR CARTILAGE DOESN’T FUCKING HEAL, so yeah it was staged.

      Now onto the kirk bastard the shooter who has not been found yet btw, had made the shot from a building 200 yards away with a high-powered rifle. Now I’m no conspiracy theorist, and this is ALL purely speculation, tr*mp posted on truth his message to send prayers. At that EXACT same minute Ben Sketanyahu stopped his bombing campaign of 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk.

      I’m no american, which means I don’t exactly know how you lot handle ur beloved guns but there’s NO WAY a civilian was able to hit that shot from 200 yards away, you can make jokes about missing the headshot all you want, I don’t think they were aiming for the head, he wanted him to die slowly and painfully so they have time to tweet about him. And it’s a win-win for tr*mp cuz he now has a martyr.

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        200 yards is pushing it with the bb guns we train kids with. 200 yards with a rifle isn’t a big deal. Kind of at the limit of iron sights. Once you’re dialed in though you can group rounds in to something about the size of a dinner plate pretty easily.

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        200 m was the standard range distance when I was in the army and we’d usually group in at least 10 or 15 cm target with iron sights. And that was with a plain Famas.

        200m is nothing with a rifle.

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        What the hell are you talking about. 200 yards with a .308 is a totally doable shot. I dropped deer at that distance.

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          I understand that, but respectfully deer is a way bigger target than his neck and take into account he was sat under a pop up tent. Considering they were estimated and likely to have been far more elevated than charlie in a nearby building, a shot like that’s not an easy one.

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            He almost certainly wasn’t aiming for the neck. Probably the head, or if you’re a Trump did it conspiracy person, maybe the shoulder and it was “supposed” to be a flesh wound :p

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            A deer is very similar in size to a human, just shaped different, and I only hunt from my elevated back porch. I’m not saying that it wasn’t a professional who did it, but it was not some super difficult shot. This could have been done by anyone that practices.

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          No, I understand he got hit in the neck and blood instantly started gushing out, essentially guaranteeing a 1 way trip to hell, but he was pronounced dead at the hospital, and stayed alive for a surprising amount of time.

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            They also didn’t pronounce JFK dead at the scene despite half his brains being in Jackie’s lap …

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            You’re only pronounced dead at the hospital AFAIK (or by a doctor or something), so even when your head just explodes, you have to wait until the ambulance makes it to the hospital to be pronounced dead. Doesn’t mean you survived until they decided that chest compressions weren’t working.

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            If you saw the video, it was clear that he was hit in the brain stem and was dead instantly from hydrostatic shock. Look at what his arms did instantly.

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            Sometimes hospitals will endeavor to be overly optimistic, running a code for way longer than is likely to work. There’s a slim chance something pans out, even if the patient is unable to recover from a persistent vegetative stare.

            Who knows about his vitals, but he almost certainly didn’t significantly suffer, he was unconscious before he could realize what happened.

            I saw an accident where a car rolled and a passenger was ejected and his head hit the asphalt at speed, leaving skull and brain matter on the asphalt. The news reported that he was pronounced dead at the hospital about an hour later.

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                Or has a cult of fanatics that is prone to conspiracy theories that will take any opportunity to imagine the medical staff deliberately let them die…

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      those kids will totally get bullied by other kids showing them the video of their dad dying. that’s all I really feel bad about today.

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        Yea. About the only thing sad about this.

        Like, they are still kids, Charlie might have been a bigoted fascist but that’s far too complicated for children to fully understand; to them, he was just “Dad”.

        It is truly unfortunate for them they had the ill fate of being born to such a horrible person, but that horrid person was spreading rhetoric which has resulted in countless other children losing parents themselves. All I can hope is that those kids grow up to understand this.

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          No amount of mourning their “Dad” will ever compensate the hate he had for his daughter when he said he would allow her to give birth if raped… at age 9.

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    I’m willing to bet it’s a right-winger. Some deranged psycho that bought into the right-wing conspiracy hate sphere they always use and has an axe to grind with Charlie’s flip on releasing the Epstein files.

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      It was pissrael. Hear me out, the shooter who has not been ID’d yet was found to have made the shot with a high powered rifle from 200 yards in a nearby building He had reported WAY before his death that if he “steps out of line” the pissraelis would kill him. As soon as he went hospital, tr*mp posted to “send prayers” on truth and the EXACT same minute Sketanyahu stops his bombing campaign on 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk. We all know at the end of the day he was nothing but a payed propaganda shill, whether he believed all the bs he said or not.

      I’m no american, which means I don’t exactly know how you lot handle ur beloved guns but there’s NO WAY a civilian was able to hit that shot from 200 yards away, you can make jokes about missing the headshot all you want, I don’t think they were aiming for the head, he wanted him to die slowly and painfully so they have time to tweet about him. And it’s a win-win for tr*mp cuz he now has a martyr and a distraction from the files.

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        but there’s NO WAY a civilian was able to hit that shot from 200 yards away, you can make jokes about missing the headshot all you want,

        This is laughably incorrect. 200 yards w/ a scope isn’t an issue for myself or any hunter I know.

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        I am struggling to see what are you going for with “Sketanyahu”. It’s the 2nd time you’ve typed it, so I know it’s not a mistake. Is it pronounced like skeet-anyahu as in “Aw skeet skeet muthafucker!”? I’ve always heard his name pronounced like Net-an-yahoo. Is sket pronounced like “net” a slur I’m not familiar with? Sket kinda makes me think about skeletons (spooky) or skittles (tasty) and I guess Halloween is coming up 🤷‍♂️

        Pissreal makes sense. It’s straightforward. You could keep it simple with Satanyahu or Naziyahu. If you wanted to draw parallels to Holocaust for the genocide he’s committing you could do NetanyAuschwitz. Not a direct comparison, but I think people would follow that train. I’ll say that I thought there’d be a more obvious play with the “yahu” part. Best I could do was Nut-and-yahoo if you want a groaner or NetanYahooSerious if you’re into 80s Australian comedy.

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          A sket is a lil bitch, a disgusting person, with no self-respect or morals and would if given the opportunity let themselves get tossed around for pennies. It’s english slang and very derogatory so I don’t use it lightly but it fits when talking about the modern day hitler ig 🤷‍♂️

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        I’ve sat next to dudes on a range ringing plates at 300+. They sight their iron sights to 100 yards, a 200 yard shot is just raising the rifle a little bit higher and waiting for a lull in the wind. With a scope, it’s practically point and click for anyone who spent the time practicing.

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          Wild ideas? lool If true, this would prolly be top 10 least wild thing’s israel have done. Russia does try and cause divides and tensions, but if you’re alluding to their involvement in this shit, afaik he didn’t say anything that would’ve angered putin, plus he prefers Novichok for his political assassinations. And they pay jobless bums all over europe to cause chaos and havoc in their respective countries, hardly at the level israel manages to do so.

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    I didnt like Kirk. I didn’t agree with what he had to say. But by God he was a person, and the whole left vs right thing needs to fucking stop.

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      Killing is not the best outcome, but the left versus right thing should definitely happen. The right kills way more than the left could even think about killing. The right needs to stop being a thing.

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      he was a person

      He was also a prolific bigot spreading his bigotry to millions of gullible people.

      Good riddance.

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      I find it a little grotesque how thrilled people are about it, but no one is happy he’s dead just because he’s “right”. They’re happy because he was a monster that inflicted a lot of pain on other people intentionally. He was an absolutely piece of shit.

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    It’s someone from the right. It’s always someone from the right. Every single time

    Popping off solo is an exclusively conservative extremist position

    Leftist extremism is group based

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      The guy who shot up the Congressional baseball game was at least a socdem, wasn’t he?

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      Couldn’t the Unabomber be debatably extreme left? Not that it really matters, because going extreme enough in either direction ends up pretty close to the other–horseshoe theory or something.

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        Horshoe theory is bullshit.

        Politics do not exist in a spectrum, that’s insane. Extremism is one dimension of many that describe a political position

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          I think the point is that if you go extreme enough on any part of the spectrum/plot/whatever, you’re going to be supportive of generally unpalatable/harmful ideology.

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            Yeah, I know. That’s what I’m saying is bullshit

            Generally, on one extreme you have a distopian nightmare, on the other extreme you have something impractical, but would be great if it worked

            And willingness to do violence to achieve political goals is another axis. On one extreme, you use violence against everyone not part of your group. On the other, even the slightest property damage or inconvenience to others is unacceptable

            Those aren’t the same thing. One option is horrible, the other is impractical, but wouldn’t it be nice if it worked?

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    Trump ordered all flags at half mast until Sunday. If I had a flagpole, I’d be racing to add an extension on to it, even if it looked like shit, to raise it higher.

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      Yeah, this is as dumb as Trump calling it political violence.

      Could be any number of people he fucked over or stiffed. These types if people (sociopaths) don’t care about anyone but themselves.

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        It’s obviously political violence though, whether the shooter is from the left or not. But sure it might be an elaborate mafia hit or his wife’s ex-boyfriend acting out some revenge fantasy – seems awfully unlikely though.

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          Could be Kirk’s ex-boyfriend for all we know.

          Looking at the rate they get caught fucking other men, most homophobes seem to be self-hating bisexuals.

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              Yeah, no. Kirk was straight. I can tell. Some are bisexuals, especially the ones that think being gay is a choice. There was nothing remotely gay about the man in any way. He believed everything he said. And it was probably a desnat or something.

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        Interesting point made in live updating CNN Manhunt article:

        Here’s why authorities may be having a hard time finding Kirk’s killer, according to a chief CNN analyst From CNN’s Tori B. Powell

        A manhunt is still underway as law enforcement tries to find the person who fired the shot that killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk today.

        According to CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller, the shooter’s planning, skill and execution may be complicating the search.

        He told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins that snipers have been studied closely by the government and they typically are people who are “methodical and patient, self-reliant.”

        “This is the kind of person who would have planned to get in silently, try to be invisible, take this shot, accomplish the mission, take the gun with them and leave little evidence behind which is why I think they’re having a very difficult time getting started on this.”

        Officials said earlier today that they believe the shooter fired one shot at one person and that it was a targeted incident.

        The single fired shot shows that “the person is not new to shooting,” Miller said, which ultimately could help officials get to the bottom of the investigation.

        “This is someone who knew exactly what they were doing and is probably known to others, and this may be working to the advantage of law enforcement,” Miller said. “As someone who has a long history in shooting, this wasn’t an amateur.”

        So, dude takes his position, fires a single shot for the kill, and then disappears without a trace. Pretty impressive.

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          Could be a paid for dude, which seems most likely judging by the description. Not many snipers in the general populace, I’m guessing. Ex-military maybe?

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            I’ve dropped deer that far out and I am no sniper. I’d wager that most hunters could make that shot.

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            Do they know how far away they were? What rooftop they were on? I’m hoping they get away with it, but I’m not sure it would even have to be monetarily motivated. Maybe one of their friends or family members were killed as a result of his bullshit? There’s plenty of reasons to kill a shitstain like Kirk. Plenty of people, especially on this website, would’ve done the same if they had the ability.

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              CBS news at dinnertime didn’t have details on where but from witness accounts it was at least 100yds, 'cause people said the shot wasn’t that loud. That shit stays loud for 100ft easy. I’m sure law enforcement knows what rifle fired the round by now and it wouldn’t surprise me if they are shitting their pants because it’s some weird fucker like 6.5 creedmoor

              edit: I guess if someone pulled an Oswald and was inside the Book Depository that would muffle the sound heard by people near the victim. However, Utah is pretty fucking big without many tall buildings.

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        People on Lemmy are more likely to know but yes, I tried explaining to my dad how much of a shitstain this guy was. His take away from TV News was that this guy was somehow not MAGA and therefore it’s sad. Like, no, he very much is MAGA, lol

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        Don’t know who Charlie Kirk is? He runs so many ads on youtube with tpusa, that I’m surprised that there’s people that don’t know he exists atp.