https://x.com/i/status/1948211079001051267
The GOP chair was caught off guard and scrambled—first delaying the vote, then trying to sabotage it by adding amendments to include Biden administration communications. Democrats called their bluff and agreed.
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED until Rep. Robert Garcia forced a full roll call vote.
Ultimately, the vote passed 8-2 after 3 Republicans DEFIED their leadership and joined all 5 Democrats to pass the motion.
So this subpoena means they get to review the documents, and presumably in their original state as well?
So if they get redacted ones, that would be obstruction of justice, but the question becomes did the obstruction of justice happen as a result of his duties of office, or one of personal reasons.
This still could get worse, even if the information that needs to come out does.
LOL. As if they’ll get any original unaltered documents.
Obstruction of justice? In this part of the session? Located entirely within this government?
Yes.
Can I see it?
No.
The worse I’m referring to is that the supreme court takes up this case and says “yeah this is clearly an official act and the president isn’t able to be prosecuted.”
Too soon to say but spine growth in the dems?
More pacifying, look how happy everyone is that we scored a major upset… In my opinion, they’re going to Mueller Report this and attempt to sweep it under the rug just like they did the Russian Collusion.
Only if we keep disciplining them. Which is why it is important to say this is a good thing but keeping their current leadership is a bad thing, both in regards to accountability.
No. They’ll find a way to screw this up. It is very much a dog catching the car situation.
But one can hope
They ate their Wheaties this morning. Tomorrow, back to Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Please don’t disparage the good name of CTC. Those are my favorite, and I can confirm I have bones.
Real human ones? In your freezer?
I have lots of things. Don’t worry about it.
Did you hand-stuff all those cats, too? It’s that why they’re arranged in chronological order? To demonstrate your skill progress in the pastime? Just curious.
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? Can’t a guy engage in some casual taxidermy without getting the third degree?
I mean, clearly if the Inquisition were involved, that would be a surprise for everyone, but especially them.
Had you found this hobby in their era and locality, you actually might’ve contributed to the onset of The Black Plague, simply by killing cats to feed your
needtalent.Good thing you’re a late boomer?🤘🏼
nah, opportunistic as ever. Main goal here is to stick it to republicans not some “principles”
Ya DNC just wants to return to Bush era GOP. This MAGA shit isn’t economically sustainable for their owners.
that aint happenin, the loyalty trump demands of his ppl is a double edged sword, if he goes under they go with him. Some second grade ppl will try to cling onto is pretending trump was never the driving force but they are doomed to fail. If trump goes under the reps are done for for a while.
If trump goes under the reps are done for for a while.
Please stop this wishful thinking. I’ve been hearing this shit for over 4 decades! Oh just wait till Regan is gone! Oh after Bush they are done! Oh after two illegal wars they are done! Oh after Trump 1 they are done for sure! Oh after the pandemic they are done! Oh after the old go away they are done! Now we’re back to oh after Trump goes away they are done.
These morons are NOT going away. They will vote in lockstep with whatever asshole the GOP produces next and mark my words after Trump worse is coming, because with the GOP it always gets worse.
GOP are either dumb enough to try or just smart enough to know it’s their only option. While I agree with your assessment of the facts I still think the GOP is trying to have its cake and eat it to with regards to getting rid of trump while keeping his base.
If they can walk this tightrope until ICE finishes establishing themselves as the national gestapo… they might be able to keep the MAGA train rolling after trump kicks the bucket.
Wha
Can’t we just celebrate a win for once without saying they’re not doing enough? This is a good thing any way you look at it.
I think it’s hard to take the DNC seriously when they still let Chuck Shumer drone people to sleep, I mean, speak for the party.
They’ve snubbed their own party’s progressive caucus for brain dead geriatrics.
Their leadership has blatantly benefited from insider trading and social welfare while failing to achieve those policies for their constituents.
Every day the DNC looks more and more like a broken clock that’s only only right when it’s 2 minutes to midnight.
They really, really, don’t deserve applause at this point. They deserve to be replaced.
Hell yeah brother, say it loud.
Too soon
/s
Im so tired of this site competing for who is the furthest left leaning. We all want a better future. But we can’t get that if we dont put this fascism shit down before it gets terminal.
The guys who are still trying to work with republicans while Alligator Auschwitz exists are not fighting fascism, their policies allowed the fascists to take control and now they are trying to work with the fascists.
You’re right, it’s exhausting.
Nope. They fucked up long enough. No cookie until it’s all fixed. Buck up.
Both can be true.
We should celebrate the win for sure! But calling it “spine growth” is delusional, wishful thinking.
Cope
Don’t hurt yourself on that high horse there, buddy. 🙄
high horse? Hardly. Not having principles and being opportunistic is how they lost last election. Sitting on their hands all this time approving republican bills is a confirmation to that. Epstein has ZERO impact on average worker at this point. Yes criminals have to be in jail and human trafficking is a disgust. However this will affect lives of hundreds while millions are still not protected and Democrats have no intent of protecting working class. Biden flirted with more pro-worker stance and with Haris things were back to status quo. So no, my friend no high horse, just looking realistically.
They think the Epstein thing might actually stick this time. They’re trying to use that as best they can. Any party would do that
It might be a strong move for once though. Time will tell.
I’m going to ask a honest question because I don’t know the answer. If Trump’s name is on the list, why didn’t Dems release it when Biden was in office? Yes I know that’s a question the right has been asking but I don’t know the answer to it?
Because I don’t care who’s on the list, Republican or Dem. They all deserve prison
- Trump’s in the files, but they probably don’t have the stuff from the wildest conspiracy theories. So there’s going to be a let down no matter what.
- There’s a lot of victims in those files who deserve some protection and privacy. Redactions take a lot of manpower, as we’ve seen with this 1000 agent effort. That manpower could be spent on going after live criminals.
- Dems in the files too.
Not sure if Biden/dems have given a reasom yet. I believe, typically, the official reason they keep this files secret is they may still intend to take legal action in the future.
Unofficially, Biden’s AG Merrick Garland really did not go hard against Trump. They let him get away with an attempted coup, not sure if that was at Biden’s request or if he let Garland persuaded him not to.
Farfetched theory on my part but Biden really tried not to stir the waters, I feel, to avoid a civil war.
I thought I read the files were sealed until 2024 but don’t know if thats true or not
My cynical ass thinks Biden didn’t want to set precedence that the rich / president can be held accountable. He naively thought Trump is done anyway, let’s just go back to the status quo and not bother with real consequences for the rich.
Apparently it was under seal by the courts while Ghilaine was on trial, and only became unsealed in Biden’s literal last week in the presidency. And he was trying to do a bunch of things at that time, especially with Ukraine and Israel.
Because Biden respected the law. The Epstein files were sealed by a judge until after Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of this year. Biden, by law, couldn’t release the files.
The video was fun to watch to watch.
If my understanding is right, it just means this sub committee will now subpoena all documents. Not like it will be available to everybody, just available to the lawmakers. You must be a real pedophile-ophile to want to block your committee from having knowledge.
I think GOP wants to get rid of Trump but keep MAGA. They’ve simply been unable to manipulate that outcome until now.
It’s a cult of personality, there is no MAGA without HitlerPig. The moment he assumes room temperature, the knives will come out, and the Dems can sit back and watch the bloodbath.
Which brings up another point - the Republicans Party is dead, fully replaced by the MAGA Party, and the Dems should make that their policy. They should call an official press conference, declare the Republican Party to no longer exist, and start calling it the MAGA Party in ALL communications. The Republican Party should only be referred to in a historical context, like the Whigs.
Kill the Republican Party, then watch them flail to revive it when MAGA collapses following HitlerPig glorious death.
You’re right but that’s not gonna stop them from trying. Popcorn?
The only way they can bifurcate Trump from MAGA is if they have an equally “charismatic” strongman that can take his place. It would especially help if he’s young.
And it’s not Vance.
I’m not convinced it can be anyone. Trump is a remarkable combination of horrible, stupid, and snake-oil-salesman charismatic. Anyone less stupid, and the base can tell that he’s just pretending to be like them, and they don’t like it. Anyone less charismatic can’t sell the con. Anyone less horrible would actually be less horrible, so that’d actually be better for all of us, but again I think then the base would turn on them for being insufficiently horrible.
About the only one I can think of on the public stage right now who checks all those boxes is Marjorie Taylor Greene, and she’s a wOmAn, which also disqualifies her for a good chunk of the Trump base.
But then again, this is the stupidest timeline, so for all I know they’ll just decide that Ron DeSantis is their new god when Trump finally exits the scene and deny that they ever hated Ron’s stupid fucking guts.
What a horrible world it’d be if MTG is the first female president of the US.
Be careful what you wish for. It could end up being Musk, with a manchruian citizen in the seat.
You are beginning to see the whys behind the recent “new” party, then.
I heard that Tucker Carlson is hoping for the gig.
shudder
That’s why I keep my eye on Joe Rogan. I mean, folks tell me I’m nuts to think that a charismatic entertainer could make the transition to being President, but I’m not so sure. (/s, to be extra clear) I notice that he’s taking care to distance himself from the regime’s more-unpopular actions, but not break with it wholly.
I kinda agree, but IMO the better way to phrase it is that they don’t have a solid plan. Fascists are stupid. They have to be, right, because they’re building a system that is guaranteed to eat itself. Whoever is in charge always wants more power, which eventually must come from their cohorts, so you can’t do it as a team, at least not if people are using their brains.
The dude literally said “in my opinion the no has it” slight emphasis on singular no. Everyone laughed. Then the vote was counted correctly without incident. It was a joke, people, and this fucking X (formerly twitter) post is capitalizing on the surface-level intentional malinterpretation for rage bait engagement and at least 276 of you fell for it. Do your research. Investigate Tower Seven.
Probably he was forcing his republican turncoats to have thier names recorded with thier vote. Kinda petty since everyone knew who voted which way, but they are petty people.
No, he was lying and trying to get away with it. If he wanted to count the votes, he would have done what every committee chair has done for (in my understanding) 200+ years, and call for a roll call vote. He wouldn’t lie in the face of an 8-2 vote.
I gotta agree with the other guy. He probably did it for some kind of attention one way or another. I don’t think he intended to get away with it. That said, I do think such things are deplorable. It just that when you use a popularity contest to choose reps, this is what you get.
I think he was caught off guard, and tried to stick to his marching orders despite it being obvious that they lost the vote.
No way this was a joke or something done for attention. That makes no sense.
The dude literally said “in my opinion the no has it” slight emphasis on singular no. Everyone laughed. Then the vote was counted correctly without incident. It was a joke, people
Are you seriously suggesting that the chairman of a committee miscounted the votes as a joke?
You cannot be for real. Who the fuck upvotes this shit? Does everyone on this site have 14 fucking alts?
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t actually watch the video. The guy calls a recess and then they come back and the vote happens. Timestamp 1:35 for the video in the x post to the relevant claim of “lying” in the presumptive vote count. Incredibly boring government parliamentarian bureaucracy at work. The inner workings of the leviathan exposed to reveal a brief moment of shared humanity, corrupted by a cheap narrative from an anonymous jaggoff capitalizing on the poisonous atmosphere of the child rape scandal. It’s a real nothingburger dude. You gettin all huffed up over me observing (not suggesting) some x poster told an easily disprovable lie on the internet for clicks? “cannot be for real” with your ignorant lazy vibes-based-pearl-clutching ass
You’re deluded if you think this was a joke.
He was caught off guard, and made a stupid choice to try to keep following the marching orders, when put on the spot. He’s been told that he needs to prevent this exact thing from happening, so when he was blindsided by the vote, he panicked and made a split second decision to continue with the orders despite obviously losing the vote.
Also, I thought about it for another ten seconds and what you’re saying is even dumber than it looks on the surface. You say he had orders to prevent exactly this- no it wasn’t, this was a surprise move from the democrats and his position does not afford him any power to “prevent this” and there was an internal schism within the republicans, so wrong on at least three counts. You say he got marching orders- where in the video did you get that from? Are you sure you didn’t just make that up in your head as the thing most likely to go along with what you already believed going into it, what you were primed to believe by the BIG SHOCKING SLAM HEADLINE? You say it wasn’t a joke- how do you explain the fucking laughter coming from the people whose votes he supposedly tried to snub? It was a lighthearted moment complete with a natural beat for comedic effect. You can tell he was being flippant by his particular choice use of the singular noun “no” and the singular conjugation “has” that he intended to draw attention to his surprise and dissapointment that one is in fact less than almost a dozen for comedic effect, which it fucking achieved. Surprise and pretended incongruity with reality are notorious sources for humor. At no point did he actually impede the vote.
There are kiddie diddlers, and the people protecting them. They are in office. It is real, it is a conspiracy, and no not everyfuckingthing the light touches belongs to the pedophiles. This guy is just doing his job. He didn’t say “In my opinion the no has it [over the obvious chorus of yes]” for attention, you’re right that doesn’t make sense.
No, he was lying and trying to get away with it. If he wanted to count the votes, he would have done what every committee chair has done for (in my understanding) 200+ years, and call for a roll call vote. He wouldn’t lie in the face of an 8-2 vote.
this is how i shoulda known for a fact before even starting typing all that shit that you didnt watch the shit, dont know how a parliamentary procedure works, dont know what you’re talking about. You don’t count the votes individually unless it’s called for. You start by listening to how loud the ayes and nays are, making a call, and then when someone, anyone, not just the chair challenges it, then you go to individual roll call. There’s some fuckery you can get up to with this system but this aint it. The system is set up to prevent precisely this kind of lie being baselessly alleged from being possibe to be told. The system worked in this case. You should stop assuming your american public school education prepared you to “understand” this shit cuz its not a 200 year history, this goes back to olde england and arguably ancient greece and by your understanding this is apparently your first time examining this in any detail.
With all that fucking confidence and outrage too. “Are you suggesting-” Take a breath. You’d uncritically go along with literally just any half-baked not-even-tabloid story if it flattered your existing beliefs or confirmed your predetermined narrative. God help any accused who find you on their jury.
Fucking hell, that is so much effort put into not at all understanding something correctly.
okay then explain it all and make it look easy you got it figured so good
No. You’re a brick wall, why would I waste my time? Die stupid for all I care, your point of view isn’t worth validating with an argument.
You still aint watch the video huh
Good. Finally. Balls and spines and strategies were grown and used.
This is terrible for decorum. Now the Republicans will start doing it!
Lmao
There is no triumph here.
I put in a small amount of actual effort and came up with the actual vote in question directly from congress. https://www.congress.gov/event/119th-congress/house-event/118526?s=3&r=3
Here is the entire vote and all surrounding context. The supposed “lie” about the vote count is either made up for engagement bait by whatever anonymous jaggoff still trolls x on their call to activism account, or more cynically, is run by a professional troll trying to intentionally bury the lede about nancy mace defining the word “credible” in relation to her own ethos and the democrats feckless attempt to prevent her from neutering their surprise 11th hour hail mary.
https://youtu.be/M-Kz6P9nDf0?t=12600
I was accused of putting too much effort to not understand this. Fuck y’all lazy punkass no-account scrubs I aint gonna try to pull your heads out your asses no more, good luck with all that shit.
Can you help me understand Motion #2 by Mace? I was lead to believe that “credible” wording didn’t stick, but it sounds like you’re saying it actually did? If so, then yeah it leaves a lot open to being left out of the subpoena on that one word alone.
Hey, you’re right! That amendment got struck down! With all the back-and-forth in that video I must have lost track. Good check, thanks!
When he was the only person to say no, and then claimed “the noes have it,” that was the funniest gd thing I’ve seen all day. Hahahahahaha!
the single person who voted no: “In the opinion of the chair the nos have it”
the multiple people who voted “yes” laugh at the absurdity and call him out on it
how fucking brazen a liar
I read the first one in Mayor Quimby’s voice.
“the, er um, nos, uh, have it”
Shouldn’t that be like contempt of congress or something?
Should be grounds to have his ass beat
I feel like this would be a great addition to congress. Make C-SPAN interactive and viewers can vote on whether or not to have someone involved in a proceeding flogged with something like a 90% majority.
Do you want to get Caligula? Because, that’s how we get Caligula. 🤌🏼
Compared to Trump? Caligula might actually be an upgrade.
It would be like the scene in The Simpsons (a really old episode) where the family goes in for group therapy and the counselor hooks them up with shock collars and buttons they can zap each other with, and they just go crazy shocking the shit out of each other.
Imagine the vote manipulation. Now you have to worry about getting a virus on your phone that will silenty vote to beat up a member of congress
Ah, the old Sen. Sumner treatment!
maybe if laws/rules applied to Republicans in positions of power
Trust me bro one more rape charge on the rapist king and we beat fscist trust me bro. It will be a bombshell when everyone finds out what they already know and they SLAM him. One more scandal and we defeat facism trust me bro.
That’s what really kills me about this whole thing. Dude has never, ever, ever faced a consequence for all the shit he’s done. I’m done hoping, man.
It’ll be far, far from the nail in the coffin, but we’re already seeing promising movement among what was normally staunch Trump supporters.
It’s only one avenue to follow though. We still have to do what we can wherever we can.
Lmao people say this every time, nothing changes.
According to who? People on Lemmy/reddit? Wake the fuck up. People on these sites live in a bubble and have no idea what the average person’s opinion is on things.
They even fucking lied?
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED
This is unsurprising.
But forcing a recorded count does get those Republican Nays on record so they can be punished later.
MAGAs can’t resist cheating at every opportunity. Here we are again with standard election fraud on a micro basis, but we’re supposed to believe that they won the 2024 Election “Fair & Square?”
I am puzzled by your incredulousness.
I am perplexed by your puzzlement.
It is rather quixotic,
Is that the right word?
I’m not holding my breath but I’m really hoping that will help maga chuds clue in that the GOP are wholly dishonest.
I get what you’re saying, but there are now two very distinct news spheres, and the one that they’re watching will simply not cover this story.
It’s in the hands of r/conspiracy now…
10% of them saying it was wrong is the best we’ll get. Him being charged with treason is what it should be
Here’s hoping that 10% are our fucking dipshit relatives eh?
It has to at least fall under this:
"§1001. Statements or entries generally Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 749 ; Sept. 13, 1994, Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), 108 Stat. 2147 .)"
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=49&f=treesort&num=1262
If it has to be decided or enforced by the majority party or SCROTUS, then it’s not happening any time soon.
This won’t even make the nightly news.
They don’t care they just want to “win”.
Actually they just want to “own the libs”. They’ll all scream to have the Epstein files released if you hint that AOC might be in there.
Of course they want to “own the libs”. They believe people get more conservative as they age, so kids have to be libs. And they definitely want to be able to own & trade children!
I hear she is. Release the files, and let’s prove it.
I’m guessing Roberts Rules stuff.
As a quick and dirty thing, you can call a voice vote of ayes and nays. If it’s not particularly close, it’ll be obvious what the outcome is, the Chair will call the result, and everyone moves on. However, any member can call bullshit on the Chair, and then it goes to a more formal process.
So without watching the whole damn video, it’s probably that the voice vote went one way, the Chair said it was the other, got called on it, and the roll call vote went against him.
Decorum for thee but not for me.
I did watch the video and it was blatant and ridiculous.
Why does this have so many upvotes? I mean the information is mostly accurate, but for this particular 8-2 vote it sounds like it’s just trying to make an excuse for the treasonous Higgins saying the vote failed.
any member can call bullshit on the Chair
Yes, definitely making excuses.
It’s not making an excuse. It’s explaining to people how he was able to lie. If it was an roll call vote it’s next to impossible to lie about it, so it’d be confusing to some people who don’t know how the process works. It’s still blatant lying. It’s just helping to educate people.
2 people said ‘nay’ and 8 people said ‘aye’… It was an honest mistake anyone could have made.
But wasn’t it one person + himself? :)
Obvs his nay own would sound louder to himself
Nah
lol
I bet the voice vote was more like 5-5, and the Republicans changed when they knew their vote was being recorded.
Did you see the video? It was clear that the ‘ayes’ had it.
Oh, I didn’t know the link would load without an account. You’re right, it looks like nobody switched.
A House Oversight subcommittee voted Wednesday to subpoena the Department of Justice to release the Jeffrey Epstein files.
The motion passed by a vote of 8-2. Notably, three GOP lawmakers – Reps. Nancy Mace, Scott Perry and Brian Jack – joined with Democrats on the subcommittee to approve the subpoena, defying Republican leadership.
House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer must sign the subpoena before it can be officially issued, per committee rules. Comer plans to sign off on the subpoena, a Republican committee source told ABC News.
The top Democrat on the subcommittee, Rep. Summer Lee, initially offered the motion.
I’m not american, does this committee actually hold the power to release them or is this just a recommendation/symbolic? If rule of law is followed (I know big if) does this guarantee the release or are there still hurdles?
Me neither. It’s the house oversight committee. So it’s my understanding they do have some real power. Though to be honest I don’t know what the scope is.
sooooo GOP chair who blatantly tried to defraud the American people in a cushy government position by abusing his position, he’s tossed outta the swamp now, right?
or rather, into the new swamp down in Florida
