https://x.com/i/status/1948211079001051267
The GOP chair was caught off guard and scrambled—first delaying the vote, then trying to sabotage it by adding amendments to include Biden administration communications. Democrats called their bluff and agreed.
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED until Rep. Robert Garcia forced a full roll call vote.
Ultimately, the vote passed 8-2 after 3 Republicans DEFIED their leadership and joined all 5 Democrats to pass the motion.
What does this actually mean?
Republicans are hypocrites — and have to be forced onto the record defying Dotard Trump — even though he’s a rapist and a pedophile.
I think they’re more curious what the effects of the vote will be.
That’s my point. It’s performative but also gets them on the record to expose the hypocrisy.
It’s performative? So it won’t actually cause the “subpoena ALL the Jeffrey Epstein files” as the post says? My point is it’s just a little hard to see what the vote actually does from the context given, although I don’t doubt there will be political fallout from it.
When he was the only person to say no, and then claimed “the noes have it,” that was the funniest gd thing I’ve seen all day. Hahahahahaha!
There is no triumph here.
I put in a small amount of actual effort and came up with the actual vote in question directly from congress. https://www.congress.gov/event/119th-congress/house-event/118526?s=3&r=3
Here is the entire vote and all surrounding context. The supposed “lie” about the vote count is either made up for engagement bait by whatever anonymous jaggoff still trolls x on their call to activism account, or more cynically, is run by a professional troll trying to intentionally bury the lede about nancy mace defining the word “credible” in relation to her own ethos and the democrats feckless attempt to prevent her from neutering their surprise 11th hour hail mary.
https://youtu.be/M-Kz6P9nDf0?t=12600
I was accused of putting too much effort to not understand this. Fuck y’all lazy punkass no-account scrubs I aint gonna try to pull your heads out your asses no more, good luck with all that shit.
Can you help me understand Motion #2 by Mace? I was lead to believe that “credible” wording didn’t stick, but it sounds like you’re saying it actually did? If so, then yeah it leaves a lot open to being left out of the subpoena on that one word alone.
Hey, you’re right! That amendment got struck down! With all the back-and-forth in that video I must have lost track. Good check, thanks!
Just browsed r/conservative for a bit to see the response there. Pleasantly surprised to see multiple posts where the top comment was something along the lines of “release everything, don’t care who is affected on either side”
This is the most respect I’ve had for them in a long time.
When did you have ANY respect for them?
They made us think it was conservative versus progressive. Democrat vs Republican.
It always was the elite versus the people
Always has been.
It’s also humans with morals vs. Conservatives. None of this would work if conservatives didn’t salivate at the thought of making others suffer.
No, you are supposed to hate conservatives 🫵😲
This but unironically. You’re not Jesus. You aren’t farming karma. You’re allowed to hate detestable people. Everything in moderation!
I’m no Jesus underd. How do you know?
Politicians make the people desperate. Compassion and guillotine should be the tool of the new left. Not like … Twitter
They work really fucking hard to make that so easy.
Are we supposed to forget they put Trump in power twice? A few people on the internet hardly encompasses conservatives.
Yeah, that’s them. Get em, boy
Yes yes. Let the hate flow through you.
Yes! We just have to hate them harder than they hate us to win.
Politics 101
Can someone explain to this non-american why the Democrats are treating this as a successful upset when they could have released the Epstein files during Biden?
Because they couldn’t, or at least not without potentially ruining the case while it was before the courts at the time?
Because they COULDN’T release them under Biden. They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
There is a lot of desperate “both sides” nonsense going on here but the fact remains, Democrats are voting to release them and Republicans are not. If Democrats wanted to cover them up, why would they be doing that?
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list, also the general public on the US, if you haven’t caught on yet are like 30% complete idiots. A good example of this is that many people in comments on Instagram or other social media have said ‘‘why would anyone even willingly fly on a plane called ‘the Lolita express’?’’ Because they can’t figure out that the press started calling Epstine’s plane that long after the accusations and convictions were over with. They’re even more confused that the pilot of the plant never saw ANY sexual behavior or implied sexual relationship of any minors on the plane or even adults on the plane. How couldn’t he tell?! Because Epstine was a blackmail con man, not a ‘‘hay everybody here’s all my dirty secrets! Look at this! It’s incriminating!’’ Man. Blackmail necessitates obfuscation, and likewise gaining access to wealthy targets ment he ALSO needs to appear harmless and well connected to other wealthy people, who only saw normal behavior. So this list, the flight logs, even the island visitors, will all be at the very least 50% innocent people, if not way higher numbers. You only need a few successful targets to get by with blackmail and if the targets all have lots of money and know eachother the last thing you want is for them to be aware your blackmailing them all at once. And if he never did blackmail and just ran a pedophile ring, the level of secrecy would still be crazy high and he’d still want to look innocent to the majority of people he knew that’s how all child abusers and rapists in general tend to behave.
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list
Biden wasn’t able to release it because a judge sealed it as part on an ongoing investigation. Don’t let that stop your ridiculous conspiracy theories.
The same “donors” would likely also support the Democrats now voting to release them.
30% feels generously low.
I’d say the people making shit up and are unaware of the files being sealed are the ACTUAL idiots.
Shhh! Don’t ruin it for the rest of us! On tomorrow’s episode of “As The Empire Crumbles”, will the files lead to anything actionable?
It’s all bread and circuses until the 1% have extracted the last iota of capital from the rest of us and the country finally collapses.
I don’t see anyone saying this yet, but the Epstein files were sealed by a court order for Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of 2025. Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them - and possibly giving Ghislaine’s lawyers a slam dunk to get her off with a mistrial.
Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them
Presidents can do whatever they want as long as it’s an official act.
Here is seems to be at the discretion of the Attorney General. Why didn’t Merrick Garland unseal them in September 2024 after her appeal failed?
What exactly did you think that first link proved?
Garland is a republikkkan and a member of the Federalist Society. He was Biden’s greatest failure.
Because Garland is a heritage foundation boot licker
Merrick Garland is a hard core libertarian centrist and Biden appreciated him for being status quo which means not rocking the boat or doing any effort to to hold anyone rich accountable as his previous bosses were BP and Amazon.
He also refused to prosecute Matt Gaetz.
Read his link. There’s nothing in there to indicate that Garland could’ve released then in 2024.
That does nothing to change the reality of his character or negate his lack of action i pointed out above.
Why did he actually not do anything? Who can say?
Not a good enough excuse IMHO.
It’s not a good excuse. Until Americans guillotine these fuckers, they will just continue to do what they want, law be damned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhZs69RvFM
You expected a shitty person to expose his shitty friends? Lmao
Its not meant to be an excuse. He just is a shitty person. Picked because they thought it would reach across the shitty aisle to shitty republicans.
That just is what it is.
Because Merrick Garland is incredibly lazy. He spent his entire tenure sitting around doing nothing.
This doesn’t get the Biden administration off the hook for not releasing the list sooner.
Unlike Trump, Biden respected court orders.
Is there any U.S. administration that should be let off the hook in the last 25 years of ratfuckery? I’ll just be happy if your Democrats are desperate enough to combat overt corruption that they’ll accept collateral damage among theirs and their masters.
The Dems have molesters/rapists on the list themselves. The difference is that we are not cultists and will gladly watch those perverts go to jail. Apparently MAGA just barely started caring about justice as it pertains to the files.
Why were the files not released under Biden? Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking).
Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking)
Is that proven?
The Attorney general under Biden, Merrick Garland, is a by the book liberal conservative. He assumed the treasonous actions of January 6 2021 would sink trump’s political career. He also believed - correctly- that the attorney general is appointed by a president to lead the judicial branch independent of the executive branch. Merrick focused the AG office on the January 6th investigation and didn’t publish the Epstein documents as they weren’t part of any specific case.
There is also the theory that high ranking establishment Democrats are on the Epstein list. We also know that there are many pictures of epstein’s clients with underage girls that haven’t been published. Likely because American legal culture always seeks to punish the women involved in sex work and views the “johns” as victims who need to be protected
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released. The democrats that do, are the minority faction of progressives, and they don’t have enough political power to actually get them released. Biden is not a progressive, he wants the uphold the status quo, including, protecting the Democrats on that list.
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released.
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Why would they overwhelmingly vote to realease them then?
I’ll ask you this: Why didn’t the Biden Administration release it? Why did most congressional Democrats not demand the Biden Administration to release it? They had 4 years. Why demand its release now, now that they are out of power and they know that the current admin will never release it.
It’s all performative. You vote for something you know has zero chance of passing so you can go “Look! Look! I’m good! I did the thing!” in the next election cycle even if what you really did is nothing.
See the 50+ votes to repeal Obamacare.
Because your feelings, right?
It makes their opponents look bad when they refuse
They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
Or you know, mindless nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Politik-brained Canadian here:
IIRC they didn’t raid Epstein till 2019. In 2020 Democrats had a narrow majority in the house which they would lose in 2022.
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
It kind of seemed inevitable that the Epstein files would get leaked or released eventually. That is until Trump officially ran again in 2023; creating the possibility that the evidence would be destroyed permanently if he won.
creating the possibility that the evidence would be destroyed permanently
This is sort of where I keep going back to in my mind. Like, I’ve seen things about supposed redacting or whatnot. So, like, what is there to be released if supporters of the Current Admins had them for so long?
Some like original copy of something somewhere that somebody secreted away?
And, how does something like that get proven to be…legitimate? Especially to a point of actionable repercussions?
I honestly just don’t understand how this all works. Hoping for the damn best though.
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
And it might have been if they didn’t drag their feet so much.
drag their feet
They full on chickened out!
Craven Republican “Trump is a threat to democracy.”
Proceeds to vote for acquittal
I have met chickens and they are braver than any politician I’ve seen.
Probably the spine.
just to tie on to this, theres a none zero chance some prominent democrat “old guard” are also on the list, and their positions are too valuable to be lost (to the status quo). january 6th, if it was enough, would have been a great way to protect the old guard and get rid of trump. but thats evidently not what happened.
i dont care whos on the list, from what side, i want them all punished. anybody whos complicit in the current shit show, or is on that list, needs to be shot in the street like a rabid dog.
While I was still on Reddit, there was a list going around of politicians charged with child sex offences. Sure, there were a few Dems, curse them to hell, but by FAR the majority were Republikkklans. The list was up to page 57 last time I sighted it.
We just need the files. I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of “I was just on it because he was blackmailing me” or whatever, from everyone involved, innocent or not. Unless there’s something that literally has itemized “X person, 2 kids, diddled both, camera footage timestamp x:xx:xx” I really doubt much legally will come from it.
Court of public opinion however, that’s gonna cause some real shakedowns, if people actually listen.
none zero chance
I wager the actual chances are in the double digits.
Triple digits?
Last I checked the chances had been reduced by 1000%
3 Republicans: “I might be a racist, zionist(somehow), corrupt piece of shit that sits down when my fellow Americans are put into concentration camps, who is all for authoritarianism and white nationalism,… but I ain’t no pederass protector!”
Just bottom rung people looking down on the only people left categorically worse than them.
That’s why “chomos” need to be protected in jail.
That’s why wanna be Chris Hansen’s are usually as creepy as the creeps they catch.
That’s why violence posted online gets a free pass when its framed as a pedo getting btfu.
Good. Finally. Balls and spines and strategies were grown and used.
This is terrible for decorum. Now the Republicans will start doing it!
Lmao
sooooo GOP chair who blatantly tried to defraud the American people in a cushy government position by abusing his position, he’s tossed outta the swamp now, right?
or rather, into the new swamp down in Florida
Hey, where’s all those losers that kept saying the Dems didn’t actually want it released? Come on out of the woodwork, ya fucking losers.
They’re right here in this thread, ignoring reality and spewing conspiracy theories.
I mean, Pelosi IS out there going out of her way trying to downplay the whole thing. Having a couple members of either party agreeing to subpoena the files doesn’t mean either party, as a whole, is supporting it.
Keep on trying. One of these days, those Democrats will turn around and say not to reveal this info, and then that’ll vindicate the child-loving Republicans.
“One of these days” Got anything else from your crystal ball?
Literally any excuse to blame Democrats.
Hey, that’s my representative’s motion!
Nice!
I suspect a lot of the GOP also want rid of Trump now he’s won for the second time.
They’ve put in their time. They’re political lifers. They know they don’t really need him any more, and frankly his health will take care of that sooner rather than later.
If he follows the rules, he can’t run again anyway. If he doesn’t then they don’t need him to win elections for them, because there won’t be any more. They’re just stuffing their pockets while waiting for any opportunity to try and get in a bigger chair. Their only worry is that someday, lobbyists might not want to bribe them any more to do their jobs.
I suspect the list is being withheld for reasons other than Donald, who we all know is on it anyway. Plenty of more important shadowy figures who still have something to lose.
There isn’t a list of abusers. The only person the files have evidence of abuse is Epstein himself. Per multiple sources interviewed by the NY Times, the only lists in the files are victims and witnesses, and releasing the files would just victimize them again to doxxing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/politics/epstein-files-trump-bondi-justice-department-fbi.html
Dems are jumping on the bandwagon because it distracts the Republicans from their rampage of destroying the foundations of our country, but the files themselves are a nothingburger as far any actual evidence of crimes.
The DOJ literally said Trump was named in the files.
I think you’re right. They wanted the $3T tax cut, and that’s exactly what they got. Trump is now unnecessary risk for the oligarchs, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pin all of Epstein on him to dumpster his ass now. Then we’ll have 2.5 terms of President Vance to look forward to, as he works with Silicon Valley elites to replace the treasury with shitcoins.
They’re still terrified of his rabid base and none of them have spines.
They’ll still obey the whip (because people that don’t get deselected come election time), but they’ll all be planning their next move once Trump is done.
The only loyalty among the rank and file is the fear of losing their jobs.
They’re republicans, no need to elaborate how awful they are.
They want him to make it to Jan 21, 2027, then he can keel over. That way Vance can still qualify for two full terms afterward.
Except Vance is a charisma vacuum.
Vance doesn’t even seem popular in his own family, let alone with the public at large.
Musk isn’t allowed to run so they’re all out of demagogues at this point, and their entire political strategy hinges on that. At some point they know they’ve got to shift back to pretending to be normal again. Their next candidate is going to be someone like Romney. They’re going to lose all the crazies when they do, but chances are they’ll just go back to not voting while hoarding bump stocks.
“You won’t need to vote”
I, among other people I know who voted for DT have absolutely zero interest in voting for JD. He’s a Petey T puppet with the charisma of wet bread.
I broadly agree, but not sure I see a short term way back to winning as “normal again”, the “crazies” induced the vast majority of the party to be sycophants to the crazy, and this hopefully alienated some moderates. Not sure who they might break out for 2028 if they do have an actual free election, but I could see them in a tough strategic spot trying to claim being moderate with the behavior of the party since 2016 and particularly since Trump’s loss in 2020.
So they have a lack of a good fit for the Trump crazy but also the liability of having tried to be close with the crazy…
I think the GOP media machine will continue to push more extreme candidates who are more akin to ramaswamy or some other techno-crat.
I suspect a lot of the GOP also want rid of Trump
I suspect they don’t actually care at all except the companies lobbying these particular representatives are being hurt by the tariffs.
some people here dont know not to punch a gift horse in the mouth
Russian bots have their orders
Can you point to the comment you suspect of being a russian bot?
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Oh no, I was the russian bot all along?
Maybe the real journey was the Russian bots we made along the way
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The dude literally said “in my opinion the no has it” slight emphasis on singular no. Everyone laughed. Then the vote was counted correctly without incident. It was a joke, people, and this fucking X (formerly twitter) post is capitalizing on the surface-level intentional malinterpretation for rage bait engagement and at least 276 of you fell for it. Do your research. Investigate Tower Seven.
The dude literally said “in my opinion the no has it” slight emphasis on singular no. Everyone laughed. Then the vote was counted correctly without incident. It was a joke, people
Are you seriously suggesting that the chairman of a committee miscounted the votes as a joke?
You cannot be for real. Who the fuck upvotes this shit? Does everyone on this site have 14 fucking alts?
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t actually watch the video. The guy calls a recess and then they come back and the vote happens. Timestamp 1:35 for the video in the x post to the relevant claim of “lying” in the presumptive vote count. Incredibly boring government parliamentarian bureaucracy at work. The inner workings of the leviathan exposed to reveal a brief moment of shared humanity, corrupted by a cheap narrative from an anonymous jaggoff capitalizing on the poisonous atmosphere of the child rape scandal. It’s a real nothingburger dude. You gettin all huffed up over me observing (not suggesting) some x poster told an easily disprovable lie on the internet for clicks? “cannot be for real” with your ignorant lazy vibes-based-pearl-clutching ass
You’re deluded if you think this was a joke.
He was caught off guard, and made a stupid choice to try to keep following the marching orders, when put on the spot. He’s been told that he needs to prevent this exact thing from happening, so when he was blindsided by the vote, he panicked and made a split second decision to continue with the orders despite obviously losing the vote.
Also, I thought about it for another ten seconds and what you’re saying is even dumber than it looks on the surface. You say he had orders to prevent exactly this- no it wasn’t, this was a surprise move from the democrats and his position does not afford him any power to “prevent this” and there was an internal schism within the republicans, so wrong on at least three counts. You say he got marching orders- where in the video did you get that from? Are you sure you didn’t just make that up in your head as the thing most likely to go along with what you already believed going into it, what you were primed to believe by the BIG SHOCKING SLAM HEADLINE? You say it wasn’t a joke- how do you explain the fucking laughter coming from the people whose votes he supposedly tried to snub? It was a lighthearted moment complete with a natural beat for comedic effect. You can tell he was being flippant by his particular choice use of the singular noun “no” and the singular conjugation “has” that he intended to draw attention to his surprise and dissapointment that one is in fact less than almost a dozen for comedic effect, which it fucking achieved. Surprise and pretended incongruity with reality are notorious sources for humor. At no point did he actually impede the vote.
There are kiddie diddlers, and the people protecting them. They are in office. It is real, it is a conspiracy, and no not everyfuckingthing the light touches belongs to the pedophiles. This guy is just doing his job. He didn’t say “In my opinion the no has it [over the obvious chorus of yes]” for attention, you’re right that doesn’t make sense.
No, he was lying and trying to get away with it. If he wanted to count the votes, he would have done what every committee chair has done for (in my understanding) 200+ years, and call for a roll call vote. He wouldn’t lie in the face of an 8-2 vote.
this is how i shoulda known for a fact before even starting typing all that shit that you didnt watch the shit, dont know how a parliamentary procedure works, dont know what you’re talking about. You don’t count the votes individually unless it’s called for. You start by listening to how loud the ayes and nays are, making a call, and then when someone, anyone, not just the chair challenges it, then you go to individual roll call. There’s some fuckery you can get up to with this system but this aint it. The system is set up to prevent precisely this kind of lie being baselessly alleged from being possibe to be told. The system worked in this case. You should stop assuming your american public school education prepared you to “understand” this shit cuz its not a 200 year history, this goes back to olde england and arguably ancient greece and by your understanding this is apparently your first time examining this in any detail.
With all that fucking confidence and outrage too. “Are you suggesting-” Take a breath. You’d uncritically go along with literally just any half-baked not-even-tabloid story if it flattered your existing beliefs or confirmed your predetermined narrative. God help any accused who find you on their jury.
Fucking hell, that is so much effort put into not at all understanding something correctly.
okay then explain it all and make it look easy you got it figured so good
No. You’re a brick wall, why would I waste my time? Die stupid for all I care, your point of view isn’t worth validating with an argument.
You still aint watch the video huh
Probably he was forcing his republican turncoats to have thier names recorded with thier vote. Kinda petty since everyone knew who voted which way, but they are petty people.
No, he was lying and trying to get away with it. If he wanted to count the votes, he would have done what every committee chair has done for (in my understanding) 200+ years, and call for a roll call vote. He wouldn’t lie in the face of an 8-2 vote.
I gotta agree with the other guy. He probably did it for some kind of attention one way or another. I don’t think he intended to get away with it. That said, I do think such things are deplorable. It just that when you use a popularity contest to choose reps, this is what you get.
I think he was caught off guard, and tried to stick to his marching orders despite it being obvious that they lost the vote.
No way this was a joke or something done for attention. That makes no sense.
