She is picking a fight with the billionaire oligarchs and unfortunately it seems like a losing battle. Democrats and republicans alike will campaign against her.
It’s a sad but proven truth that the USA is not ready for a woman president.
I voted for both Hillary and Kamala. But I’m open minded. Too many Americans simply are not.
There is a clear prevailing consensus in the USA (not a correct or good consensus, but nevertheless it’s here) that woman should not be leaders. Even a large percentage of women believe in this.
We NEED to change the consensus. How do we change the consensus? It’s clear that pushing the envelope by making a woman the presidential candidate has not worked. The patriarchal front is dug in too deeply for such a frontal assault.
I believe the first woman president of the USA will be a woman VP who takes over after the president is removed, for whatever reason. A “side door” approach.
I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I think AOC running for the presidency will put another Republican in the White House.
She has a lot going against her, even if people don’t think there’s a patriarchy issue.
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She’s very active politically and very vocal. Immediate resistance from conservatives.
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She is no friend to AIPAC. She’ll lose a good bit of the Jewish vote
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Policy-wise, she’s decently progressive. She’ll be easily demonized by the right-owned media.
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Voter Suppression. Even if we get a fair election, as soon as the right loses, they’ll martial law up and claim fraud, and you better believe they’ll find what they’re looking for if they have to make it themselves.
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One of my conservative friends (also a woman) said the same thing: women shouldn’t be in power. Stunlocked me for a second.
It’s religion, not politics, that does this to women
That’s why conservative women exist. There’s a known phenomenon where the victims of abuse are often the most vociferous defenders of their abusers.
Culturally you see this in things like the defenders of hazing but there’s plenty of science on the topic to back up the observation.
The thing about that, however, is those votes aren’t something you were going to win, ever, and it’s not something you should chase.
That’s how Canada got its first female PM, and it has not resulted in any more. I don’t really think it’s going to have the feminist effect you are hoping for.
My honest opinion is that both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump because people wanted Trump. Biden won despite being a paper bag because people realized they hated trump. Then they forgot about it.
Of course the US is ready. Hillary won the popular vote. Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Kamala actually won the popular vote too. By a fairly small margin, but she still got more actual votes than Trump. But then there’s the electoral college… Our constitutional dinosaur that has now failed the American people 3 times in the last 7 elections.
Huh?
If you’re saying the reported numbers are inaccurate due to election fraud, fine. Absent that, you are mistaken.
Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Those idiosyncrasies are what made a felon rapist clown fascist win over highly qualified women…twice.
She won’t win. Enough people in the right geographical areas are simply not ready for a female president and will happily vote for a fascist instead to prevent it from happening.
It’s not a fluke that of the 3 times Trump has run, he has only lost to a man.
Welcome to America.
During a debate, AOC would smash any Government of Putin candidate. The problem lies with the Democratic Party.
I think running another woman to get absolutely trounced by the populace is a poor choice. I don’t believe the people are ready for it yet, that’s how we ended up with this. Kamala was a good candidate, but with the wrong chromosomes for a very specific swing vote.
HELL YEAH THIS COUNTRY NEEDS AOC
No.
I like AOC and I think she has demonstrated that, of the entire “Squad”, she actually knows how to be a politician and when to fight and when to bite her tongue.
She has zero chance of winning. First, this country has demonstrated that it will NEVER elect a woman. But second, she is still too young and the DNC will never give her that “Obama Moment” where she can win over the entire country in one speech. And third… republicans hate her so much that she would get shot at every single week AND would actually care about the people who took bullets for her.
Nah. I want AOC to stay in Congress. Not sure if she is more valuable as a Senator at this point, but she is increasingly showing she is well suited to being the politician who rallies and guides the other politicians. A Pelosi but not 90 years old and constantly pushing centrist viewpoints.
My right-wing friend finds AOC hot so he might actually vote for her if she runs.
I love AOC, but she will lose.
The American people have shown that they would rather have a convicted felon, rapist, fascist pedophile than a highly qualified woman.
It’s stupid, but it’s reality.
A woman candidate is a non starter.
You could say also they’d rather select that than a qualified “person”. Should no opposition ever run again? Or is it clear that she was not chosen because of her gender? Maybe so, but that feels to me like it completely overlooks that there could be anything about her personality or positions responsible.
I’m not comfortable saying AOC or any other woman is a non-starter because other women have failed. A lot of people have failed before and at some point perhaps one will be selected. I think she would be a good choice, and more appealing to many than Kamala, I suspect.
Harris and Clinton both had major structural issues that went beyond their gender. I’m not ignoring the reality that women face a greater uphill battle–they need to be downright perfect in order to even get fair consideration–but I don’t think that the fact that they are women was the only factor. I’m not even positive that it would be a deciding factor against someone who isn’t Trump. His particular brand of politics really only works for him, somehow.
They’ve shown they don’t want to vote for hope-extinguishing establishment dweebs.
A woman candidate who’s actually good would do great.
I wish. I really, really do. It’s nothing more than fantasy right now.
In all likelihood, yes, she will lose.
But she should still run for the same reasons Bernie ran. Change the discourse and prevent unfettered ratcheting of the Overton window; force Democrats to respond to her challenge.
If she doesn’t run, we all lose. Winning isn’t quite everything.
Exactly. The Primary process is about getting your policies in the platform as much as it is getting you candidate(s) the nomination. She should run, a “standard neoliberal” should run, a corporatist should run etc… the process is allowed to be messy.
If the dems lose in 2028, assuming there is an election, the fascists will consolidate power and the U.S. will be a dictatorship for 40 years.
And your solution is to vote for the people who are doing nothing to stop the fascists, instead.
Bold strategy.
False dichotomy.
The U.S. has proven a woman can’t win because the U.S. is a bigoted shithole with a flawed constitutional system.
The alternative is to vote for someone who can win and can beat the fascists.
Assuming there are free and fair elections in 2028. A big if.
This is the type of thinking that will keep the status quo the status quo.
“Things can’t change oh well!”
Prepare yourself for the “Status Quo-mo”
To be fair, Clinton and Harris and the platform were not particularly exciting, and they played by the old rules.
Misogyny may have been a contributing factor, but not being bold, exciting, or authentic sure as hell didn’t help.
maybe let the people who actually vote for the party decide who they prefer as candidates, rather than having the gerontocracy alone dictate that choice
maybe let the people who actually vote for the party decide who they prefer as candidates
Those people said “Clinton” and then “Biden”. Both over Bernie, who was far more charismatic than both and with a fucking spotless record, unlike both.
Not sure that the primary voters’ll be delivering a progressive savior unless the demographics of who votes in Dem primaries changes radically.
Unlike Kamala and Clinton she actually believes in something, and not just the Dems’ very rich corporate donors.
look at Zohran Mamdani in New York. He’s a Muslim, foreign born, socialist. Plenty of things that by the same logic would make him loose. But he won the primary and odds are he’ll Winn the mayor position.
Unlike Kamala and Clinton she actually believes in something, and not just the Dems’ very rich corporate donors.
And that is why she will fail.
Welcome to reality. Welcome to America.
We chose a felon rapist traitor over highly qualified women…twice. And those women were more qualified than AOC and more moderate. The further left AOC goes, the more voters she loses.
She won’t win.
She won’t win.
So what? Run her anyway. There’s this thing called the window of discourse.
He won with 48% of the 15% most involved DNC voters who took time to participate in primaries, in New York City, and he still has to win the generals next.
That’s New York. You won’t win swing states with those candidates. And I love Zohran. If he ran in California, I’d vote for him.
And specifically NYC, not even the state.
And specifically only 15% of registered DNC voters who participated in the primaries.
NYC does not extrapolate out to the US, or things would look very different these days.
The issue is we’ve never actually tried to run a populist left candidate. So everyone saying, “it’ll never work!” have no real bases for that statement. (the closest we’ve ever been was Sanders, and the DNC ensured that he was not going to be on the ballot.)
A TRUE LEFT POPULIST WILL WIN! in my opinion
I didnt say ‘it’ll never work!!’, I said NYC <> the US. You can’t compare the two and say “See, it works” when he isn’t even elected yet, and its in a city that is absolutely further left than democrats on the national scale.
I would love to see it work. One mayoral hopeful in a friendly city is not a reasonable comparison though.
To bolster your point, a true progressive ran in 2018 in west Virginia- Paula Swearengin. She challenged Joe Manchin in the primary and lost 70-30.
She then won the Democratic primary in 2020 for Senate and went on to lose in the general 70/27 (other votes to the libertarian.)
People really need to understand that while Zohran and AOC are great there isn’t some kind of silver bullet with progressivism across the country.
How do we know that? In super deep red areas it’s a uphill battle. But the most left wing president we’ve ran since FDR was Carter and I’d say he’s more neoliberal/pure centrist than progressive/left. Once again, when you only run center and more right candidates; the more center candidates losing isn’t really a sign America wants only right politics. It just means the more left wing voter stays home on elections.
I don’t know? Results?
I want more progressive policies. Run em. But just don’t be surprised if they get slaughtered.
I think more than progressive policies people want younger people.
But to Anyone down voting, great. I simply presented raw facts.
It’s not just policy, it’s energy.
Becoming a recognized name that sticks in people’s heads is the biggest battle — this is usually the incumbent advantage: this was Manchin’s advantage over Paula Jean Swearengin; but it was also Cuomo’s advantage over Zohran Mamdani… and Cuomo lost. So there’s another way to make yourself known: being disruptive.
I loathe MAGA. They are assholes, but that’s how they took over. That’s what gets them covered in the news, they do constant theater saying asshole things. Literally everyone knows who Marjorie Taylor Greene is, whether they’re into politics or not. Many MAGA politicians nowadays you know first from the podcast circuit. Yes they have an ecosystem but that doesn’t mean we can’t do guerrilla campaigning. After all, Mamdani still won, right?
Now I’m not saying we need progressives to be assholes. But they should be more performative — loudmouths even: get up in people’s faces, speak confidently and provocatively into the camera, tell people your values without them asking. Do things that aren’t necessarily stunts, but that get labeled as stunts.
Mamdani has done a bunch of this stuff, from telling Cuomo how to spell his name, to his full day walking through Manhattan and interacting with people, to how easily he answers even the hardest questions — I mean, you probably already know how good he is at this stuff and how easy he makes it look, so it might be tempting to think you can’t replicate his success because of how uniquely talented he is, but let me give you another example:
Kat Abughazaleh (YouTuber and investigative journalist for Mother Jones and Media Matters, currently running for Congress) has done arguably even more with her campaign: she’s using campaign money for mutual aid (anyone can walk into their office and get free stuff except for ICE), feeding the homeless, Pride and Drag Queen Story Hour; she gave bigots the finger on camera and doubled down; she did a campaign event in a comedy club and turned it into a TED-style stand-up presentation about “General” Michael Flynn wanting to sell your blood. Her campaign slogan as a Democrat is “What if we didn’t suck”! She started in single digits and now she’s single digits away from first place. Watch her explain it though, to get a sense of the energy. (All the other stuff is on her channel too, I highly recommend the Flynn one btw!)
You have to get creative and work the outrage media space, it’s the only way. Get eyes on you and stand up for your values, loudly!
(the closest we’ve ever been was Sanders, and the DNC ensured that he was not going to be on the ballot.)
Ah, yes, when the DNC forged millions of votes to make Sanders lose. Twice.
Fuck’s sake. Show up for the primaries next time, goddamn you.
I love when people use the results of the ratfucking to try to prove there was no ratfucking
I love when people use the results of the ratfucking to try to prove there was no ratfucking
Oh, great, we’re back to the “Every poll was forged in a massive media conspiracy to cover the DNC’s vote forgery” hours, it must be 2016 or 2020 after Super Tuesday.
Less than 30% of voters voted in 2016 primaries
Also voters: “WHY ARE THE NOMINEES SO BAD?”
We actually did, his name was Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Sure if we hold him up to today’s standards not a progressive by any means, but he campaigned on working class issues and helped steer the country out of the depression. He created virtually all our modern safety nets or their predecessors.
He was so popular a president that Congress amended the constitution to ensure no other president could have more than 2 terms. He was so popular congress was afraid it threatened the power of their branch of government.
Running on and actually accomplishing worker centric policy works.
And to fend of the inevitable yes he was not that progressive by today’s measures and had a mountain of flaws. But his accomplishments were revolutionary for the country in his time.
I don’t think we should risk another 4 years with GOP/Trump candidate based on your opinion.
I don’t think running another center right candidate like we have since FDR will work. There’s way more evidence that Americans want far left policies. Problem is that Americans are soooooooo politically uneducated it’s scary
There’s way more evidence that Americans want far left policies
Not according to the election results.
Problem is that Americans are soooooooo politically uneducated it’s scary
Doesn’t this increase the chances of a leftist losing?
Not according to election results?!
When choices are far right and center right, center left and far left voters just stay home.
And no. Educated people vote left at a much higher rate!
It does not matter enough. Too many bigots in the conservative dem voter base.
They will vote black, Muslim, Asian, so long as it’s not a woman.
Sad state of the American psyche.
His path to victory is very hard. Expect hundreds of millions to be spent on ads against him. My boss’ PAC has estimated Cuomo would have $100 million available if he chooses to run as an independent.
Maybe people didn’t vote for Clinton and Harris because both are complicit in war crimes?
After doing weeks of phone banking and door knocking, my read is that it was the economy and being unwilling to break the mould. They were more of the same and they were uninspiring.
It was so rare that I would run into people who wanted to talk about foreign policy.
You’re a fool if you think that’s the reason why.
The average American voter doesn’t give a shit about brown people dying in the Middle East.
It’s only about your football team winning, oh and women are too “emotional”.
Nope. We only use identity politics to explain political failings here.
/s
Are we forgetting that even as a corporate puppet establishment Dems AND a woman, Clinton got like ~4 million more votes than the Dipshit did. People DID vote for her. It’s just our broken as fuck since 1929 electoral college that prevented that from counting.
/#UncapTheHouse
Losing the nomination would not be the end for AOC. But as a champion for the “Democratic Socialist” wind of the Democrats there’s really not a better candidate to speak at the primaries and ensure that even in a primary loss the eventual winner adds parts their goals to the administrations goals.
This is why the “Christian Conservatives” always run a few candidates in the Republican party, and why they’ve always got a spot in the Republican party platform.
Based on what’s happening in New York, I think they’d sabotage her.
Walz/Cortez 2028 take my vote all day long.
The fact that Harris got as close as she did with so little time proves that she didn’t lose because she’s a woman. She lost because her policies sucked. Run someone who is honest and trying to help the people and I’d bet they do well, man, woman, or otherwise (OK, maybe a trans candidate actually couldn’t win for now).
The people saying those two lost because they’re women are ignorant. They lost because they were shitty candidates. More men have lost than women, and no one says it’s because they were men. It’s just an easy excuse to ignore that people don’t like corporate ass kissers who fuck over the average person to help the rich.
Another factor which IMHO led to her lose was that she didn’t primary. So all the anger against Biden mostly transferred onto her. His blinding support to genocide, his greediness for the presidency, his support for big businesses, him breaking the railway workers strike just eroded any goodwill he did have.
He did good things but optics of these didn’t let good deeds to shine. They did cast a shadow over Kamala’s campaign too.
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Not a single one of them has ever been able to answer the question of “Even if you believe that, how does allowing Trump return to power make it any better or advance your position?”
Cause it’s not about the one person you are arguing with but the hundreds of thousands who won’t say anything and vote against all that anyways.
That one person didn’t allow trump to come to power they just raised a voice for why they believe all the silent voters are voting the way they do and standing up for it to be heard by someone that will hopefully listen.I’m willing to bet that Obama was a fluke
If the Democrat party puts forward a woman or minority in 2028, especially after 4 years of Trump stoking racial tensions, they’re going to lose.
Racist and sexist because you believe other people are doesn’t make you any less.
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No you are just the person who thinks black people winning office positions is a fluke cause they could never do that properly.
I’m not gonna argue with you further cause you are so up your own butt and think somehow you are the only person breathing fresh air.
If you see bigotry but refuse to fight against it, you a coward and no different than the bigots.
In our cast system she is way low in the hierarchy. Not even Hispanics would vote in the majority for her.
You are correct.
Anyone downvoting you is just ignoring reality.
There’s a reason Trump has run 3 times and only lost once and it was to a man. A significant portion of this country in the right geographical areas will never vote for a woman to be president. And that includes a ton of women. And half of the country wants to burn AOC at the stake for being too liberal.
She can’t win the Electoral College.
You want to get Bernied again? Vote for AOC.
Michelle Obama. Less baggage (for better or worse). More beloved.
Worse politics, plus her favorability would drop as soon as she became an active candidate.
Lol no.
Whhhhaaaaa… So instead of an elected offical who has been making headlines weekly for the last 6 years, but the unelected wife of the president from 12 years ago?
No. Heck no. No more political dynasties.
Another neoliberal.
screeching that she’s “NOT qualified for office,” that she’s “stupid” and the “dumbest,” while defending his own intelligence by noting he “ACED” a cognitive test doctors use to determine if an elderly person’s dementia has gotten so bad they need to be put in full-time care
God, this guy loves bragging about “acing” his cognitive tests.
So they only tested him to see if he doesn’t need full time care? So they checked if he can wipe his own ass and dress himself? THATS the baseline to be the POTUS?! Holy shit, that’s some baseline. At least give him a driving test. 🤮
Look up the Mini Mental, and that is basically what he aced.
Yep, “very difficult” things like copying a shape and labeling everyday items. This is similar to the “test” that Trump was given.
Dr: “Ok, you passed: you have normal, average, cognitive function”
Trump: “Just ACED my cognitive TEST. The DOCTOR SAYS I had the MOST BEAUTIFUL, most TREMENDOUS results in history, ever. He says ‘I see people take this test all the time, and your results are the greatest’”
My results were so good, I even listed some things they didn’t tell me about
AOC is a fantastic candidate in an ideal world. But she won’t win. She’s too divisive for Conservatives and moderates and I don’t expect progressives to actually vote; complaining is easier than showing up.
She should run if you want JD Vance.
Zohran Mamdani is just the democratic primary if I understand correctly. He’s not the mayor of New York yet.
If the BIG Bill of Garbage passes, there are no more free elections.
Just passed the Senate by one vote. Back to the House for the finale vote, which is controlled by Republicans.
It’s over fam.
You can kiss this nation goodbye.
Now hunker down for the suffering and death that’s sure to follow.
This is what happens when you give conservatives power. Such a profoundly stupid nation of individuals.
People in america still believe there is going to be an actual election in 2028?
